Could Nurgle be Perturabo's Patron god?

[MarshalFaust]

So it seems that to become a Daemon Prince one must have the patronage of one of the Chaos gods to elevate you to that status. Of all the Daemon primarchs most are obvious except for two, Lorgar and Perturabo.

Angron - Khorne
Magnus - Tzeentch
Fulgrim - Slaanesh
Mortarion - Nurgle
Lorgar - ???? its a mystery. all of the above?
Perturabo-

I can see why Lorgar might be a special case and may have been granted Daemon status through the patronage of all four gods, but I really don't see that happening for Perterabo. After reading the the blurb of background in the new codex about Perturabo invoking Nurgle it made me think could Nurgle be his patron? but displayed in a very different way than mortarion. More of a corrupter of the machine rather than flesh. In the blurb Perterabo with Nurgles help essentially creates a computer virus that infects an entire forgeworld turning its machines and factories into living daemon engines. And in older background it is also strongly hinted that Perturabo had a hand in creating the obliterator virus.

[Firaxin]

They didn't always need an individual patron god...

I suppose you can argue Nurgle with the Obliterator Virus/etc... but you could also argue Tzeentch for the way that virus changes people/things, the way an Obliterator is able to change what weapon he's manifesting, etc.
You could also argue Khorne for their ferocity in clearing trenches, Perturabo's rage/hatred for Dorn and impatience (yes impatience), etc. IIRC there are a whole bunch of khorne units in the Iron Warriors book series.

[Scalebug]

Chaos undivided works just fine.

[Nubl0]

Pretty sure you can get undivided princes, the new books fluff does not contradict that does it? Other than the stupid new rules that is.

[Lord Damocles]

You can still get an undivided Prince by having an unmarked character ascend.

[Harriticus]

Lorgar and Perturabo are remarked to be Chaos Undivided Princes for quite some time, rule limitations in the 6th ed codex or not. Lorgar especially has accepted the entire Chaos Pantheon.

[Grimbad]

So it seems that to become a Daemon Prince one must have the patronage of one of the Chaos gods to elevate you to that status.

Not only are there more than four chaos gods, but as per Realm of Chaos, champions can take the mark of a Daemon Prince and eventually themselves become Daemon Princes with that mark. Realm of Chaos included rules for the Mark of Mortarion as an example of this.

[Lord-Caerolion]

According to Aaron Dembski-Bowden though, they're trying to get rid of the idea of Chaos Undivided as a force in its own right, hence why there's no Mark of Chaos Undivided, and having to take the upgrade for a daemon prince. Remember, someone might personally worship all the Gods, or even none of them, but that doesn't stop one particular god paying more attention to you.

[Inquisitor Engel]

Canonically, Perterabo and Lorgar were always cited as being raised 'unanimously' by the Chaos Gods for their role in the Heresy (Lorgar especially, Perturabo after the Iron Cage). Horus and Curze are obviously dead. Assuming Alpharius and/or Omegon are alive, they've likely not been elevated yet and unlikely to be so now.

[Gutlord Grom]

Well, Nurgle might certainly appeal to Perterabo (or vice versa). Nurgle is the god of entropy, and Perterabo is one of masters of siege warfare, and is therefore all about the destruction of things that are made to last. So, it wouldn't be unfair to say that he may be more favored by Nurgle than the other gods. That's not to say the other gods wouldn't be attracted: Khorne to the slaughter of siege warfare, Tzeentch to the twists of fate which lead to the downfall of a fortress, and Slaanesh... honestly blanked on this one. Loud noises, maybe?

[blackcherry]

According to Aaron Dembski-Bowden though, they're trying to get rid of the idea of Chaos Undivided as a force in its own right, hence why there's no Mark of Chaos Undivided, and having to take the upgrade for a daemon prince. Remember, someone might personally worship all the Gods, or even none of them, but that doesn't stop one particular god paying more attention to you.

Do you know where and when he said that? I'm curious.

[Lupe]

The thing is, Perturabo could be up any god's alley, really. He doesn't fully fit any individual god's checklist, but he's earning cred with all of them.

Despair and bitternes? Check. Planning and ambition? Check. Rage and violence? Just ask the any of the guys that ever brought him bad news. Excess and depravation? Yeah, sure - he's always going for overkill, he's always craved for admiration and glory, etc

[Iron_Within]

Have they done away with the notion that the Iron Warriors (and by extension Perturabo) simply believe in Chaos as a great power with which to fuel their machines and provide the mechanism necessary for them to continue the Long War? If so it takes away a bit of the "think they're using Chaos, but Chaos is using them" tragedy one used to associate with them.

[Denny]

You can still get an undivided Prince by having an unmarked character ascend.

Listen to this man; problem solved!

[Lord-Caerolion]

Have they done away with the notion that the Iron Warriors (and by extension Perturabo) simply believe in Chaos as a great power with which to fuel their machines and provide the mechanism necessary for them to continue the Long War? If so it takes away a bit of the "think they're using Chaos, but Chaos is using them" tragedy one used to associate with them.

How does it do that at all? Just because they now worship a pantheon doesn't mean that they don't still see daemons as something to be used and abused for their own personal gain.

Also:

Chaos Undivided is a very confusing concept, especially due to the way one particular edition made it a little "gamey" and changed the lore quite a lot. That was in a very expansionist phase of the hobby, so a lot of players came into 40K seeing it as the truth, but there's a pretty simple way to view the Warp in moments like this.

The Four Powers are Chaos.

There's no Chaos Undivided, and references to Undivided as a "thing" are rarer and rarer. No more Mark of Chaos Undivided, for example. No more references to daemons of Chaos Undivided (not that there were many, anyway). The Warp essentially is the Four Powers, and the millions and billions of lesser entities aligned with them, composed of them, born from them, and so on.

The worship of Chaos Undivided is the worship of Chaos as a concept, made manifest in the presence of the pantheon. It's the worship of all four gods equally, or the ignorance of all of them, not realising that they're The Truth of the warp. They can say they pray to the concept of Chaos itself, and that's all fine and good. But Chaos, in real terms, is the Four Gods and everything that comes from them. In this example, a follower of Chaos Undivided will still be getting mutations and blessings from the Four Gods (or their lesser manifestations) he'll just view it in different terms. The pantheon blesses him, or the warp itself reaches out to exalt him. It's not as simple as just seeing your left arm become a tentacle and going "Hmm, this makes me cost 3 more points and is clearly from Slaanesh."

As editions roll out, and as Black Library gets edited tighter with delicious, beloved fact-checkers, a lot of year 2000-style / 3rd-Ed holdovers seem to be mentioned less and less, or simply never again.

Topic is here.

[TheDungen]

Well early texts listed iron warriors as followers of Slaanesh, hbut I think that the demon primarchs got risen by all of them. Except the cult ones ofcourse.

[TheDungen]

I also don't lie that they're removing undivided I loved that I t could represent lesser chaos gods as well as the idea that there might be greater beings sleeping deeper in the warp.

[Firaxin]

Well early texts listed iron warriors as followers of Slaanesh

Really? Where did it say that?

[TheDungen]

No idea but Pete Haines (in a white dwarf article close the the release of csm 3.5) commented on it being the only things written on IW before he started fleshing them out.

[Lord Damocles]

Realm of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness, pg.166.