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    Question Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    hey, i know that there is the standard terminator armour, the tartaros pattern, and the cataphractii pattern, but i was wandering if there was any more?

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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    Cataphractii pattern, ROFL, is that horse-shaped?

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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    well if you put a terminator on a normal horse its going to get crushed- hence cataphractii pattern

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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Solar Plexus View Post
    Cataphractii pattern, ROFL, is that horse-shaped?
    Ignoring the obligatory wrong forum jokes, it's actually a Latin name. Horribly bastardized of course.

    Cataphractus (coming from the Greek κατα+φρακτος, kataphraktos = covered all around = armoured), or Cataphract in modern English, was the name of a heavily armoured horseman. So GW, playing on the Knights in Space theme of space marines, used that name for uber-armoured terminators. The plural nominative (or singular genitive) should be Cataphracti, not Cataphractii, but there we are, it's GW.
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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaargod View Post
    Ignoring the obligatory wrong forum jokes, it's actually a Latin name. Horribly bastardized of course.

    Cataphractus (coming from the Greek κατα+φρακτος, kataphraktos = covered all around = armoured), or Cataphract in modern English, was the name of a heavily armoured horseman. So GW, playing on the Knights in Space theme of space marines, used that name for uber-armoured terminators. The plural nominative (or singular genitive) should be Cataphracti, not Cataphractii, but there we are, it's GW.

    Well, as far as I understand, in 40K, they use something called High Gothic as a language no? That can easily explain away differences: "it's based on latin but it's not latin!"

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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    Quote Originally Posted by oldmechanic View Post
    hey, i know that there is the standard terminator armour, the tartaros pattern, and the cataphractii pattern, but i was wandering if there was any more?

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    There is the GK type as yet un-named
    also the 3 80's ones from way back when also un-named TDA types seen here http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Terminator_Armour

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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    Quote Originally Posted by Urgat View Post
    Well, as far as I understand, in 40K, they use something called High Gothic as a language no? That can easily explain away differences: "it's based on latin but it's not latin!"
    More succinctly put, it's latin, after four hundred centuries of bastardization, abuse and decay...

    Quote Originally Posted by budman View Post
    There is the GK type as yet un-named
    also the 3 80's ones from way back when also un-named TDA types seen here http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Terminator_Armour
    Actually, I've seen (I think in the Horus Heresy book by forge-world) a mention of the Saturnine pattern, alongside the Cataphracti and Tartaros patterns. That might well be the GK style TDA.
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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    So are there any patterns of terminator armour that wouldn't be right to use in a pre-heresy army?
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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    Not really, no.

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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    Well, you basically have several waves of Terminator Armor, all tied into the development of Power armor and Dreadnought technology.
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    This mark is possibly the earliest, as it most resembles the Tactical Dreadnought armor, based on a scaled down early version of the Contemptor Dreadnought.

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    You have this early mark, which goes the other direction, appearing to be a heavily armored upgrade to regular power armor.

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    This pattern is sort of a middle ground, and the basis for what we see later.

    Then you see the Armor start to tie into Power Armor development, rather than separate lines. Mark III Iron Armor is similar to TDA, in that it trades speed for protection, and you see that influence in the Cataphracti pattern
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    It's heavy armor, but slower.

    Then you have the more advanced Tartaros pattern, based on upgrades to the Contemptor and the Mk IV Maximus armor
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    It's faster and more flexible, but like the Mk IV, some of the technology was lost in the Heresy.

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    With the loss of many of the production facilities for the Cataphracti and Tartaros armors, you see the Indomitus pattern, based on the older version we saw above, but using newer technology developed for the Mk VI Corvus and Mk VII Aquilla armors.

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    Finally, you have the pattern the GK use, which is far more miniaturized than the Indomitus pattern, and is likely based on technologies in the Mk VIII Errant Power Armor.
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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    On the question of whether any terminator pattern would be inappropriate for the heresy era - essentially the line is that all the patterns of terminator armour were developed either concurrently or at least very close to one another. That some patterns were developed at roughly the same time in different places.

    So yea, essentially any kind of terminator armour is era appropriate.

    Of the ones officially named, there is Indomitus, Cataphractii, Tartaros and Saturnine. The latter hasn't been depicted so far (or, at least, it hasn't been linked to and older style of armour yet. I presume if FW update an old skool style of terminator armour it'd be called Saturnine)
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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    would traitor legions still have Cataphractii pattern armour in 40k? I was thinking of getting a squad of termi's and just love the look of the Cataphractii (I'll have to chaosify it of course for my IW)
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    Quote Originally Posted by agurus1 View Post
    would traitor legions still have Cataphractii pattern armour in 40k? I was thinking of getting a squad of termi's and just love the look of the Cataphractii (I'll have to chaosify it of course for my IW)
    Sure. There may be some Loyalist suits still around still as well.
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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    thanks for your research, MajorWesJoson, it really helped. the grey knights, i think it is a modified version of the tartaors pattern, as the grey knights get the best armour, and the tart pattern it the mast advances, sharing technologies with the mark IV Maximus tactical armour...

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    John Blanche himself has a web page on TDA: http://www.tearsofenvy.com/termi-nation/
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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    Quote Originally Posted by agurus1 View Post
    would traitor legions still have Cataphractii pattern armour in 40k? I was thinking of getting a squad of termi's and just love the look of the Cataphractii (I'll have to chaosify it of course for my IW)
    Quite possibly. Betrayed notes that Cataphractii got dropped as time went on in favour of the less clunky and slower patterns - cataphractii was more hard wearing but sacrificed agility. Not quite so useful in a prolonged firefight. Essentially cataphractii terminators were even more of a sitting duck 'shoot here please!' Target.

    But as we know, marines are a stubborn bunch, and they do get a chubby on for relic equipment, so its likely several chapters or traitor legions still have units that favour the solid robustness of a relic cataphractii suit - iron warriors spring to mind.

    Likewise, there are possibly some traitors who are stuck with it, with the fusing of suits to wearer thanks to gribbly warp shenanigans there may be some stuck with the choice what jeans they put on that morning
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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    The MK.01 screams Thousand Sons to me; especially as the Scarab Occult is a Terminator unit. I don't expect the MK.02/03 to surface, as the Tartaros effectively replaces one of those. Something to note, though:

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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    The current Terminator armour is the Indomitus pattern.
    There is the heavier armoured Cataphractii pattern.
    There is the lighter armoured Tartaros pattern.
    Then there is the Saturnine pattern, which we don't know about yet.
    BTW, all patterns were used in the HH.
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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    Linking the Saturnine pattern with Grey Knight TDA is a pretty fair leap of logic in my opinion.
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    Re: Terminator Armour: What are the different types?

    I'm not trying to be contradictory with the patterns of armour, and I love the fact that people are saying all varities were developed alongside (ish) and that they were all used in the heresy, but is there anywhere that confirms this? It almost seems too good to be true for collecting a Heresy era army.

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