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    Sigur delves into the Dark Ages (SAGA, Dux Britanniarum)

    Hey people, it's yet another historical plog for yet another historical project of mine! After all kinds of 40k things in my past, the Thirty Years War and some quick detours into ancient Greece and World War 2 (a plog on that is soon to emerge), I thought I should get into the thing that clearly was THE in-period to do in 2011/2012 - Dark Age wargaming. Of course the main thing that generated all the buzz around this usually dismissed period in terms of wargaming was SAGA, Gripping Beast's historical, game-y skirmish wargame.



    By the buzz it created it seemed like everybody was playing it all of a sudden, and not only with a Dark Ages background. People made up battle boards for samurai games, napoleonic skirmishes and even variants for modern scenarios such as Afghanistan.




    Anyways, my gaming pal has a few people who are interested in Dark Ages wargaming and got me hooked on the idea as well (the fact that he gave me a box of Gripping Beast Thegns and a blister of Foundry characters helped too ). My part in the whole scheme of things will be playing Anglo-Saxons (or Saxons in general for the purpose of other time periods). So I did what everybody does in this situation - read up on the stuff. I got myself the Osprey book to go with the period and of course I got myself a different ruleset to SAGA because having one set of rules for one period is a completely bogus concept, right? So I got Too Fat Lardies' Dux Britanniarum, a set of rules I've been looking forward to read into since the release. As all of their games it put the focus on command and control and "keeping things together" on and off the battlefield. Timescalewise it's set a bit earlier than the Saga supplement which has the Anglo-Saxons but never mind. What it does have is a detailled campaign system, scenarios and lots of "recruiting and keeping your shield wall together". I'm really, really looking forward to giving that one a try.



    I was also shown the amazing pictures from the Arthurian age supplement for Warhammer historicals (Shield Wall?) and I have to say that those flags really cought my eye. Beautiful stuff.

    With this project I'm back to 28mm wargaming I guess and I have to say that I'm very much looking forward to painting 28mm minis again, at least or myself. Commission work I do is mostly 28mm as you know and I love it of course but painting minis for myself is always a bit different. So let's start this Saga of Sigur's Saxons with some pictures of hardly painted miniatures!


    First, here is a WIP picture of the first batch of ten Tegns ["Thanes"]. They are Gripping Beast's plastics and were pretty fun to put together. Those guys were the main fighting force of the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms. They were a sort of lowest nobility in the way that they were given land to reign over and often collect taxes and such in exchange for fighting for their king. Other than with "real" nobility, their status was not heritable, at least not early on.


    The main weapon were the spear and the shield. Axes and swords weren't uncommon but way less widely used in war and often were a sign of status and social standing, especially swords.

    Here's the rest of the Thegns from the boxed set. In total you get 44 models out of the box along with "command unit" options such as horns, cloaks and those pretty windsock standard things. Flags were also in use.


    These are the characters I got along with the plastic fellas - really characterful sculpts and I'm very much looking forward to painting those. It's four fighter characters (very individual and all kind of "ealrier" looking than the plastics which all come with chainmail shirts and helmets), a christian priest or missionary and a fair maiden.


    The Anglo-Saxons, other than their cousins from the mainland, didn't consider fighting from horseback proper war. Horses were used as means of transportation but there were no real efforts to set up cavalry forces or breed warhorses until much later so this army will mostly be on foot. I'll try to add some mounted figures as well just for a change and to mix up things a little.


    So that's the starting force. All the minis are assembled, based and primed. My next step would be trying to get the first batch done as a sort of testing ground and then apply the same style and colour schemes to the rest of the army. After these models are painted I will try to get my hands on the recently announced upcoming Dark Ages Warriors box by Gripping Beast so I get some less armoured looking guys I can set up as Levy troops. In terms of Saga rules, Anglo-Saxons benefit from a horde-like approach to things, favoring big units and some stuff to give levy troops a bit of a boost.

    Hope that you'll join me in this saga and that I can give you numerous updates on this project!

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    Re: Sigur delves into the Dark Ages (SAGA, Dux Britanniarum)

    hi sigur!

    welcome in the dark age! :-) nice beginning, i have to say! i am looking forward to see some - no, many - nice painted miniatures. i too have bought dux britanniarium, and i guess this is a nice and good ruleset. fully different from saga, but this is good. i am interested how you will make your multibases to use the saxons for saga and dux. for your saga-saxons, do you have a idea about your list? what will you plan at first? 4 or 6 points?

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    Yeah ! Saga by Sigur !

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    Re: Sigur delves into the Dark Ages (SAGA, Dux Britanniarum)

    @athelstan: Well, thank you. What interests me the most in Dux is really the campaign system and all the stuff surrounding the actual games. There's just so much characterful fun stuff in the book to pass up. As for Saga - not sure, I don't have the rulebook myself to be honest. So far, I'm planning on. I think for one point you get either 6 Warriors, 10 or 12 Levy or 4 hearthguard, right? I had a look at the Saxon battleboard and I guess I'll go all out on the big units thing. Aiming for 6 points probably in total with two units of 12 warriors each, a unit of 12 Fyrd and maybe a small unit of hearthguard for variety? Not sure. But yeah, for starters I'll go with four points, two big units of Thegns, just to learn the game.

    @kublai: Yay!

    @Caiphas Cain: I guess you're right. It just got so much good press, the minis are easily available in large numbers due to being plastic, they're fun to paint (so far) and if the rules don't work for me there are always other rulesets. I can branch out with them to impetus, songs of blades and heroes, THW's swordplay rules or what they're called or just use them for roleplaying games. Either way, it can't hurt having a few dark ages fellas lying around. Also - I think it keeps me from reinstalling Mount&Blade Warband and that can only be a good thing.

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    Re: Sigur delves into the Dark Ages (SAGA, Dux Britanniarum)

    Looks good so far!

    I've been interested in getting into Dark Ages for a while now, and will hopefully pick up SAGA at Salute this year. I'm especially motivated now that I know Gripping Beast are doing an unarmored plastic set (could have settled for the WGF models, but now I'll just wait for these guys and nab them at Salute as well).

    I've also heard good things about the Dux Britannum campaign setting, and a guy nearby may be running a Westeros version which I might end up joining in on. I'm rapidly approaching the "too many projects to handle" point, though, but regardless I think it would be fun.

    Re: numbers of warriors and such, having not played SAGA myself yet, but looked into it a fair bit, I believe the breakdown is 1 point for either 4 hearthguard, 8 warriors, or 12 levy.
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    I'm especially motivated now that I know Gripping Beast are doing an unarmored plastic set (could have settled for the WGF models, but now I'll just wait for these guys and nab them at Salute as well).
    Exactly my situation. I looked at the WFG Fryd and they don't look too bad if you shave down the necks a little but of course if GB come up with their own box I might have to give that the priority.


    I'm rapidly approaching the "too many projects to handle" point..
    Exactly my situation as well.


    Thanks for the heads up on the numbers! So I'll end up with 2 units of 12 warriors and 1 unit of 12 Levy for 4pts I think. Or just 4 units of 12 warriors each for 6pts. :P I think I'll have to get at least one game done before I can decide properly.

    By the way, is there any difference between wether I arm warriors with spears or axes/swords or is the only distinction made basically between close combat and missile weapons (plus maybe some special stuff like dane axes or something)?


    We really should do a Warseer roll-call to see who attends Salute!

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    Re: Sigur delves into the Dark Ages (SAGA, Dux Britanniarum)

    you have to give more attention to your dice-management. if you have one warlord, two big units of warrior and one levy unit, then you will only have 4 saga dice. 2 for your warlord and each one for your two warrior-units and zero for your levy-unit. i guess with a 4point-list you should not take levys, you will need all your dice. perhaps a hearthguard-unit with daneaxe?

    and yes its you can arm your modells with what you like (sword, axe or spears). exception is the daneaxe, warlord and hearthguard may use this weapons.

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    Re: Sigur delves into the Dark Ages (SAGA, Dux Britanniarum)

    Oh, good point about the saga dice, thanks for the heads up. As I said, I never really looked at the rules, I just researched the general army composition stuff so I have a faint idea what to do with the models and which ones to get. Do hearthguards generate two saga dice or just one?

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    Re: Sigur delves into the Dark Ages (SAGA, Dux Britanniarum)

    just one. the warlord is the only one which create two dice. warriors and hearthguard-units generate one dice, levys none. generell i would say, if you play 4-point-lists then you have to take more attention to your amount of dice. by 6-points there are more flexibility to try something - ie. levys, mercenaries, etc.


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    Sigur, you make the best PLOGS. I look forward to another.
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    @athelstan: Ah, thanks for the further info, that's very good to know. And honestly, I didn't even know that there were mercenaries in Saga.

    @Easy E: Thank you very much.

    Little update on the first batch of 10 Saxon Thegns:



    Shields are in the making just now. Instead of doing only 10 shields I decided to do all the shields in one go. Hope you like the Shieldless Ones so far.

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    They look lovely sigur Bases look ace !

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    Very fast! They look great.
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    Nice Thegns.
    Too nice...must resist temptation...must resist...still too much to paint...

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    @mrtn: Thanks, mate!

    @Caiphas Cain: Thank you. They do paint up nicely (and I really kind of went for a speedy paintjob too)

    @Corvussanctus: Oh yes, just a few days ago I picked up a bunch of minis I won't have time to paint for. Thanks for the comment! Always appreciated.

    Update! Okay, the shields aren't finished and I probabla should have finished them whilst not glued to the models but whatever. The guys were begging for shields because if those people like something it's beer and forming shield walls. I wouldn't let them have beer so at least they got to do the other thing now:



    Not too convincing yet, I know. Just wait until the rims of the shields are done and the bosses are all shiny any metal. Maybe I should mute a few of the colours too. What do you think?

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    Some of the shields are a bit too bright, I think. I'm sure you'll get it sorted out.
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    They DO look good....but too dust free. Say, how about an arrow or two sticking out of a shield? Or a broken spear shaft?

    May I suggest a box of WGF minies to fill-in the ranks behind GB's new box of unarmoured minies.
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    Sigur! Have you been watching the History TV show, Vikings? I'd love to see a Ragnar Lothbrok conversion. *hint hint*
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