A theory about the Warhammer World

[Havoc]

Ok there have been many theorys about the warhammer world and the 40k universe, I have only just started to think of this so bear with me if it isn't clear.
The old ones first created the 40k universe but this was comprimised by the chaos gods and their presence in the warp, they flee into the webway to create a new world away from the chaos gods influence, they create the slann in their own image or to reproduce after their war with the c'tan, but chaos manages to get to this new world so they try to close the portal to stop them but they fail in a way and chaos still manages to corrupt the new world they have created, so then they leave this world and creae another world hopping to stop the chaos gods.
I hope this makes sense to you people but for a summery, chaos is corrupting the old ones work so they create a new world to stop chaos from corrupting everything but find they have corrupted this as well so the old ones move to create another world leaving it to it's fate like the 40k universe.

[Viskrit]

While there was an obvious connection between the two settings at first, I think the official GW standpoint nowadays is that there is no link whatsoever, between WHFB and WH40K.

[Freak Ona Leash]

While there was an obvious connection between the two settings at first, I think the official GW standpoint nowadays is that there is no link whatsoever, between WHFB and WH40K.

Albion items? What Albion items? There never were these "Albion items", any Fusils of Conflagrations or Armour of the Gods or Fists of Power you have seen are just figments of your imagination.

[Chaos and Evil]

Albion items? What Albion items? There never were these "Albion items", any Fusils of Conflagrations or Armour of the Gods or Fists of Power you have seen are just figments of your imagination.

Since the Albion items have now gone the way of the Squats, no, there were never any Albion items.

[RobC]

Consider the Warhammer settings as twins who were separated at a very early age. In ways they are very similar, but there are numerous differences - and they are not the same person.

[Jedi152]

Well, not twins. WFB is older, and original. 40k is it's young b*stard child.

The Albion items were a quick in joke, nothing more. The systems are in no way linked.

[RobC]

Well.... you could argue that Laserburn, WH40K's previous incarnation, was about and mentioned when Warhammer was still a baby. But that would be arguing over tenuous metaphors.

[EvC]

Albion items? What Albion items? There never were these "Albion items", any Fusils of Conflagrations or Armour of the Gods or Fists of Power you have seen are just figments of your imagination.

Very tenuous argument. The fact that some pieces of equipment exactly resemble equipment from the 40K universe means as much as the fact that some entire species exactly resemble species from 40K...

Now show me a piece of background where they fight over an abandoned Leman Russ and we'll talk

[Hellebore]

Albion items? What Albion items? There never were these "Albion items", any Fusils of Conflagrations or Armour of the Gods or Fists of Power you have seen are just figments of your imagination.

As EvC says, a very tenuous argument. The same thing could apply to, say swords. Marines have them, elves have them, that must mean 40k and Fantasy are related. Or how about other 'magic' items? their is a rune that doubles the bearer's Strength against T5 or more- sounds very powerfisty to me. What about the indisputable fact that elves look like vulcans.... no wait, wrong franchise. The Albion items are purposefully suggestive to get just this response.

Well, not twins. WFB is older, and original. 40k is it's young b*stard child.

The Albion items were a quick in joke, nothing more. The systems are in no way linked.

By original, I assume you mean first, rather than unique as this elf/dwarf/orc/halfling/troll/dragon/magic infested world seems pretty similar to a rather famous piece of literature.

40k on the other hand, actually IS quite original in its execution and concept. Being Scifi it can't be compared to said literature, and there really was no similar universe before it's inception.

As to my opinion of the connection: Multiverses. Every comic worth it's spandex has them. The one common dimension connecting ALL GW universes (40k, Warhammer, Bloodbowl being the 3 distinct ones) is the Warp.

thus one could argue that only the warp is constant, while everything else is fleeting.

Perhaps the Old Ones were the only race to use the Warp to penetrate the dimensions, thus enabling them to appear in all continuities?

hellebore

[Jedi152]

By original, I assume you mean first, rather than unique as this elf/dwarf/orc/halfling/troll/dragon/magic infested world seems pretty similar to a rather famous piece of literature.

Yes i did, should have clarified. I'm in no way saying that the warhammer world was dreamed up in the creators head...

40k on the other hand, actually IS quite original in its execution and concept. Being Scifi it can't be compared to said literature, and there really was no similar universe before it's inception.

It's unoriginal in that all of the races were direct ports of fantasy races, Space orks, space dwarfs (later re-named Squats), space elves (re-named Eldar) - except tyranids. Check the Eldar/Elves - they couldn't even be bothered to change the names of the Gods.

[Freak Ona Leash]

I love how everyone semed to tke my post on the Albion items seriously. Haven't we learned by now, that over the nearly 1.5k posts I've made, about 20 of them have bene actual, serious posts?

[Viskrit]

Heh, it's alright. I'll keep that in mind though.

*Runs away from the scary lizard.*

[Eldacar]

Haven't we learned by now, that over the nearly 1.5k posts I've made, about 20 of them have bene actual, serious posts?

I did, but I can't speak for anybody else.

As to my opinion of the connection: Multiverses. Every comic worth it's spandex has them. The one common dimension connecting ALL GW universes (40k, Warhammer, Bloodbowl being the 3 distinct ones) is the Warp.

thus one could argue that only the warp is constant, while everything else is fleeting.

Perhaps the Old Ones were the only race to use the Warp to penetrate the dimensions, thus enabling them to appear in all continuities?

So you're arguing that there are three seperate universes, and they are floating within/linked to the Warp, which permitted the Old Ones to use a Webway to travel to them all? It seems to be a bit beyond the realm of possibility to me, but I might not have understood you correctly.

[Kensai X]

BTW in the upcoming MMORPG WAR game released by Mythic (that is endorsed by GW) the connection is still entact, if you watch the interviews on Gamespot at one point it mentions that high level Chaos characters are able to in heavy combat to call down an Orbital Strike from the Lunar base on Morrsleib... Also take note that is was Chaos who had the most access to 40k stuff back when the two systems were connected...

[Morskittar]

BTW in the upcoming MMORPG WAR game released by Mythic (that is endorsed by GW) the connection is still entact, if you watch the interviews on Gamespot at one point it mentions that high level Chaos characters are able to in heavy combat to call down an Orbital Strike from the Lunar base on Morrsleib... Also take note that is was Chaos who had the most access to 40k stuff back when the two systems were connected...

100% not serious. He also spoke of bleeding mice and custard pie. Or something. Paul Burnett is awesome, but his mad rants are certainly nothing near canon.

So you're arguing that there are three seperate universes, and they are floating within/linked to the Warp, which permitted the Old Ones to use a Webway to travel to them all? It seems to be a bit beyond the realm of possibility to me, but I might not have understood you correctly.

This is the implication in Liber Chaotica.

[Paviel]

So you're arguing that there are three seperate universes, and they are floating within/linked to the Warp, which permitted the Old Ones to use a Webway to travel to them all? It seems to be a bit beyond the realm of possibility to me, but I might not have understood you correctly.

In the Warp, nothing is beyond the realm of possibility.

[ryng_sting]

Originally the warhammer world was a planet in the Imperium that's been surrounded by warp storms for as long as anyone can remember, completely isolating the planet from outside influence. The warhammer world was one of many the Old Ones visited via their system of stellar gates. What happened next we know the Necron codex. These were later breached as the Chaos gods became self-aware and the Enslavers breached the mortal world in catastophc numbers, and the OO were either killed or scattered.

Not too tricky to see where the warhammer world would've fitted into all this. For some reason however GW decided to cut the link and have the two worlds seperate. Some say it demeans the warhammer world to have just one planet among many (wouldn't that be the case in any universe it appears in?). Some people - who don't seem to credit us with intelligence - deny the link so as not to see Space Marines landing in Altdorf, or something.

Personally? I don't have a problem with it as it was, but GW changed their minds about it.

[Jedi152]

Some say it demeans the warhammer world to have just one planet among many

Exactly. Many hardcore 40k fanboys like to believe this theory because then it makes fantasy a tiny part of their game. They like to think their system is bigger, better and bolder.

[Bubble Ghost]

Some say it demeans the warhammer world to have just one planet among many

There's no "some say" about it. It's a GW IP decision, because for one brand to "contain" another that is ostensibly of the same weight would be very awkward. Clearly defining them makes them stronger individually.

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As to my opinion of the connection: Multiverses. Every comic worth it's spandex has them. The one common dimension connecting ALL GW universes (40k, Warhammer, Bloodbowl being the 3 distinct ones) is the Warp.

thus one could argue that only the warp is constant, while everything else is fleeting.

Perhaps the Old Ones were the only race to use the Warp to penetrate the dimensions, thus enabling them to appear in all continuities?

The thing you have to ask yourself here is: why? In fact this is a question people in general, and geeks especially, don't ask enough so I'll print it bigger.

WHY?

It makes no dramatic sense and is completely superfluous. I don't understand why people around here have such difficulty with the idea that similar or alternate settings can't be just that, similar or alternate. Is there some geek gene that inhibits the neural processes required, forcing you to believe that anything similar must be linked somehow, or perhaps that nothing is allowed to be simple?

[Dargon]

Exactly. Many hardcore 40k fanboys like to believe this theory because then it makes fantasy a tiny part of their game. They like to think their system is bigger, better and bolder.

When in reality, we all know that 40K is actually a small tabletop wargame devised by insane prophets from Mordheim after the comet hit, played by injured warband members to pass the time while their injuries healed.

Just a thought...