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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    Ninja’ed. Was coming to post this! Also, there is a new balancing errata. Some control effects can now be shaken off, and some underused models got a nice buff.
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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    A 97 page rulebook for free. Very nice!

    But I always thought their rules were already free?

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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    Quote Originally Posted by Vazalaar View Post
    But I always thought their rules were already free?
    You get a quick start booklet in the Battle boxes and the rule cards for models are included when you buy those models, but the full core rules have not been free up until now.
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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    Impressive, it makes the 'free' four pages of AoS rules even more silly. Brilliant move PP.

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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    Presumably this was because they're seeing an influx of new players these days and want to further encourage that.


    BTW: If you had the Quick Start rules and had bought at least one faction deck in WarRoom, you had essentially all the rules, since the reference section in WarRoom has just about everything not in the QS rules.


    EDIT: Pretty hilarious from the Cygnar forum:

    Duh, I don't like it so much. Nerfing Haley2 means that other OP stuff should be nerfed, and it doesn't look like it.

    Also what the heck? Gorman close to useless, Denny2 feat totally useless against hordes moderately beast heavy (as if beasts needed more advantages)
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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    Yeah, some people like hyperboles with their whine.

    Gorman useless? Ha!

    Denny feat? Still crazy good against a lot of lists (I think that use heavily underestimates the “cost” to shake a beast heavy list. Fury management is a thing.
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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    Interesting, thanks for the link.
    Any word of a possible MKIII that might have pushed them to release it for free ?

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    I wouldn’t expect MkIII anytime soon. First, they stated they don’t want to do it (of course I expect it to happen – companies change their minds, designers quit/change position, and so on), second there is nothing indicating a new edition coming, and third, I doubt they’d have released an errata if a new edition was coming.

    I’m guessing the rules being free is just them catching up with younger companies (and AoS). They’ve probably also reached a point where the rulebooks aren’t very profitable anymore and take space. They have enough books and products now that they don’t need the “publicity” from having physical books in LGS.

    This and the All-in-Ones make it clear that PP is looking to grow it’s players base.
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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    I wish they'd do a minor update to improve the morale and terrain rules, but otherwise I wouldn't say a new edition is needed.
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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    Quote Originally Posted by Malagor View Post
    Interesting, thanks for the link.
    Any word of a possible MKIII that might have pushed them to release it for free ?
    Nope. This is somewhat closer to a 'Remix' which they did when they republished the Prime rulebooks with updates and revisions (and to consolidate the rules for new unit types into the main rules). They also did new cards at that point, which is a possibility.

    But honestly... even that isn't quite necessary yet. It would be nice if they folded the battle engine and colossal rules into the free pdfs (I checked, they're not), but that would be the next logical step, long before a Mk III.
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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    Awesome move on thier part.
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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    One of the Chain-attack guys, who also runs Discountgames, claims so. And just the other day one guy from Oslo said that the tournament scene in Norway is seemingly migrating wholesale to WMH.
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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    Yeah, 4 old fantasy players have been looking into Warmahorde here.
    They will still play fantasy but they figured that if they rather play a skirmish game that is good.

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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    If your going to play a skirmish game you may as well play a well made one that caters to both competitive and friendly gamers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cornonthecob View Post
    If your going to play a skirmish game you may as well play a well made one that caters to both competitive and friendly gamers.
    For sure... I think one of the hesitations ive been reading about is the perception that Warmahordes either has too many rules, or is too competitive.
    The biggest learning curve of the game, I thought, was wrapping your head around what all of your units do. I didnt realize that most abilities are not unique, but are peppered across the game in different factions. I thought that was pretty cool, once you know your army youve got a good head start on learning your opponents.

    As for too competitive... I think part of that is because the rules are so concise. If you get a good handle on them, you can bend without breaking any, and spot all kinds of sneaky synergies and tactics.
    They really are wonderfully written for the most part, and allow for future changes to happen organically rather than writing entire new army books.
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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    Quote Originally Posted by Witchsight View Post
    For sure... I think one of the hesitations ive been reading about is the perception that Warmahordes either has too many rules, or is too competitive.
    The biggest learning curve of the game, I thought, was wrapping your head around what all of your units do. I didnt realize that most abilities are not unique, but are peppered across the game in different factions. I thought that was pretty cool, once you know your army youve got a good head start on learning your opponents.

    As for too competitive... I think part of that is because the rules are so concise. If you get a good handle on them, you can bend without breaking any, and spot all kinds of sneaky synergies and tactics.
    They really are wonderfully written for the most part, and allow for future changes to happen organically rather than writing entire new army books.
    The "too competitive" aspect is a frequent complaint, but the truth is, PP really does a lot for non-standard, less competitive games. They have special scenarios in their magazine (NQ), tutorials for building scenery (including special, optional rules - like getting drnk when you go to the inn), bonding rules for campaigns, their own anrrative campaigns... the problem is that since they also support strongly the tournament aspect, some players tend to focus only on that, and it shows in some forums (comments like "If it hasn't been part of a winning tournament list, it's not worth it). So some players will not like their meta.

    But at least the company caters to everyone. Their conversion, scenery building and painting guides are like the content of older WD.

    And the rules are *generally* tight. You will still have questions, but they're generally clear.
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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    Oh maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, I'm trying to avoid getting sucked into this after seeing the Glacier King model! Now they go and do a free 97 page book. NUTS

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    AND they buffed the also-amazing Mountain King model. Wink wink.
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    Re: Warmachine and Hordes full rule books are now free

    Quote Originally Posted by Vazalaar View Post
    Impressive, it makes the 'free' four pages of AoS rules even more silly. Brilliant move PP.
    Seems that PP was a little concerned about AoS and decided to take a page from GW's book...

    Well, I own both already, but I like the idea of free rules.
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