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    Re: It's a Gruppe that kampfs! - Late War Panzergrenadiers by Sigur

    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas_NL View Post
    How do you compare Chain of Command to Bolt Action or Battlegroup? I've recently started a 20mm project aimed at both those games...
    There is a Battlegroup Normandy game planned for February, maybe Sigur will attend too. I haven't played the game so far but it looks very interesting.

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    Very nice. I was lucky enough to be on a D-Day battlefield tour with a veteran from the 6th who attacked the Merville battery. It was facinating to here some of his stories about his memories of the battle. What suprised me was the fact that quite a few German soldier were shot as they tried to surrender and he was quite candied about his role as a sniper in the days after D-Day. We even visited a French church were several of his friend were buried including his best mate who'd pinched his berret the night before they went into action. He said that he still sees him as a nineteen year old while he stood by his gravestone.
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    @Boreas_NL: Thanks very much! Well... I haven't played either of them. I have preferences based on what I heard of the rules sets, but I won't say much about Bolt Action any more before I haven't tried it once, otherwise mrtn will come after me with a club.

    @virago: Yar, Battlegroup might be interesting. Interested to see how it scales.

    @Kahadras: Wow, sounds intense. :/

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    Re: It's a Gruppe that kampfs! - Late War Panzergrenadiers by Sigur

    They all do slightly different things and therefore you come away with a different experience after playing each, even though they are all games based on the same period of time.
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    Very neat log, as usual. Great painting, presentation, terrain, reports, maps... But that log title hurts the eyes!

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    @mrtn: That's piercing AND bludgeoning damage!

    @Easy E: Yeah, of course the optimal approach would be trying them all and then pick the one which fits with what you believe makes for the most fun and most accurate representation of the challenges of making 40 dudes run around in a deadly situation and preferrably get most of them out of that situation alive.

    @Karak Norn Clansman: W00t, thanks! Well, it's not quite easy to do German WW2 plog titles. One of the reasons why I didn't start the plog earlier. It was either the play on that old internet meme we're stuck with now or "Torpedo los! - Heil Überführer Sigur Iron Crosses into an unsuspecting period. Panzergrenadiers Tigerpantherrattewunderwaffe!". And the title I chose proved to be the snappier and less bannier one.

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    Re: It's a Gruppe that kampfs! - Late War Panzergrenadiers by Sigur

    Quote Originally Posted by sigur View Post
    ...and my sniper, Obergefreiter Wilhem Busch:
    Haha, love that one.
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    Re: It's a Gruppe that kampfs! - Late War Panzergrenadiers by Sigur

    @rkunisch: Thanks. This guy did get quite a lot of attention; rather more than minis I actually fully paint, which of course made me question a lot of things in my life. A Mr.Keith Erickson on Facebook and Twitter even found a descendant of his:


    Here's my in-depth review of Plastic Soldier Company's 15mm Panther platoon box.

    In this article I'm covering the historical background of the Panther tank and then get on to the nitty-gritty including unboxing, large high-res pictures of sprues and details, assembly and painting.



    http://www.battlebrushstudios.com/20...c-soldier.html








    I hope that you find the article interesting and informative!

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    After the first read through of that AAR I didn't even see the joke! That is a good sniper!
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    @Easy E: See? A few days ago a friend offered me a surplus German sniper figure to replace old Busch. No Sir!, I said, thankyouverymuchsir!, I said. Gonna keep that mini as my sniper.

    Hullo. I was a bit surprised to see that it seems like I haven't updated here in almost a year! Especially as I proceeded with this project a fair bit.

    Let's start with another review I published hot on the heels of the Panther one: It's the Panzer IV platoon box by Plastic Soldier Company!

    http://www.battlebrushstudios.com/20...y-plastic.html




    I did a whole lotta other WW2 things for a while then, including some work on my Italians in 1941, some 28mm stuff and so on. You can see all that in my General Historicals plog.

    Right, in August I finally got a blister of proper Panzergrenadier minis:



    The ones I used before that was a platoon of Pioniers with a lot of MGs. In effect this was an understrength platoon of Panzergrenadiers, but now I got proper Panzergrenadiers. You can see how they were issued a lot more camo gear than their comrades. In addition to this I also put together all the exotic stuff (all leftover French armoured vehicles, some with German guns stuck on top to make artillery mobile in anticipation of a Western Allied invasion in Northern France and nobody quite knew where exactly it would happen, so heavy units were made mobile as much as possible).

    I also scored a blister with a destroyed field gun I could use as a Jump-Off Point.

    ...and there's the infantry all painted!



    Look at all those camo jackets. As a general rule of thumb Panzergrenadiers had priority in getting camo gear (helmet covers, jackets mostly or ponchos. Camo trousers were less common) of all Wehrmacht units. Waffen-SS units got a whole lot of camo gear, but their had their own patterns and I think that Waffen-SS technically weren't really part of the Wehrmacht even though they were under command of Wehrmacht HQ.

    The camo pattern I used on these is a Wehrmacht one as the 125th Panzergrenadiers were just that.

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    Re: It's a Gruppe that kampfs! - Late War Panzergrenadiers by Sigur

    Roight, here's the whole batch all painted up.



    A full platoon of Panzergrenadiers (the Panzerschreck-team's not in the picture), 2 sFH (heavy howitzer, 15cm) on Lorraine Schleppers, 2 Unic armoured personnel carriers and 2 pak40 on S307(f), all built/converted by Major Becker's group.


    (left to right) Some dude in the background, major Becker, field marshall Rommel and general Feuchtinger (commander of the 21st Panzer Division) at an inspection 1944, right before the invasion.


    Near Paris Major Becker and his staff used old factories to rearm French vehicles to create mobile armoured units for heavy fire support, all to be part of "Schnelle Division West" (Fast Division West). The idea was to create a rapid reaction force to an Allied Invasion in northern France. A major part of this was the 21st Panzer Division and under it Major Becker's Sturmgeschützabteilung 200, which consisted soley of such rearmed vehicles.


    A 7,5cm Pak40 on S307(f) half-track. Not very heavily armoured, but a very potent anti-tank weapon.



    Similarly, the 15cm sFH13 on Lorraine Schleppers proved to be invaluable assets. This modification (some with the lighter 10,5cm gun) had been used in Africa and the Eastern front before as part of a cooperation between Becker and the Alkett company near Berlin. Circa 166 such vehicles were produced from 1942 on. For 21st tank division a slightly changed variant was built near Paris.



    The "Lorraine" Schlepper (towing vehicle) originally was designed for the French army as an artillery tractor and ammunition carrier. Quite a lot of those landed in German hands after France was occupied and they were used extensively. In 1942 Major Becker and Alkett worked out several designs for mobilizing guns on these Lorraine chassis. This had several advantages: mechanized guns don't require as much crew, no artillery trains in the old sense, they enjoy some protection against small arms fire and shrapnell and still can be operational under fire and of course they can relocate to advance along with the tanks and infantry and thus exploit holes in enemy lines OR of course avoid enemy artillery counter-fire.

    The third odd little vehicle, of which several hundred were made, was the U304(f) SPW based on the P107 half-track. This was another towing/transport vehicle used by the French army in large numbers and looked like this:


    In German army it got the designation U304(f). Whenever you see an (f), (r), (e) or something like that after a vehicle or gun designation it means that this is a captured vehicle or gun. The letter in brackets refers to the country the gun or vehicle originally was from: (f) = französisch/french, (r) = russisch/russian, (e) = Englis(c)h and so on.

    For 21st Panzer Division it was turned into a Schützenpanzerwagen (= armoured personnel transport), because the regular Sd.Kfz.251 and 250 and so on were all busy at the Eastern front and a large number of armoured Panzergrenadier companies were required for 21st Panzer Division to work properly in Normandy.

    So it was turned into this:



    This is a vehicle you won't see very often on gaming tables.

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    ...shortly thereafter I got a bit paranoid of Allied air strikes, so I put some foliage onto the gun vehicles, just to be on the safe side:





    I wasn't fast enough, so this one got hit: :-P






    I'm using it as a German Jump-Of Point.

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    Of course you need more than one Jump-Off Points, so after a long time of consideration I placed an order at Baueda Wargames:





    Yup, these will work for France and Italy.

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    Looks good, glad to see you still logging Sigur!

    Always liked your CoC stuff, along with everything else of course. You're work pushed me to paint a 15mm Russian Winter War/Barbarossa platoon over the summer, 83 some guys in 2-3 weeks. I was taking photos and everything and ready to start a log when Warseer went down. Fastest I ever painted an army tho

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    Re: It's a Gruppe that kampfs! - Late War Panzergrenadiers by Sigur

    @shrubs: Heyhey, thanks for the comment! Yeah, the downtime was an annoyance to us all I'm sure. Still, cool that you got the force done and so quickly. Do you get to play often?


    In early September VIVAT took place again!

    Apart from the usual painting table and the whole Battle Brush Studios thing I half-ran the Chain of Command table as well. This being a show we got out the 28mm figures. Here's my report of the show:

    http://www.battlebrushstudios.com/20...ivat-2016.html




    Afterwards (well, not right afterwards. Right afterwards I had a very late dinner and collapsed. ) I painted a few 15mm field fortifications for an upcoming big Chain of Command game, also by Baueda Wargames:


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    Very nice fortifications and report, always like seeing big events.

    Unfortunately I have yet to play a game yet. I've read the rules and all but I'd have to pioneer the game in my area, last I heard Bolt Action was gaining traction locally. Life has kept me swamped since I painted these, so I wouldn't have been able to play anyway. Soon, hopefully!

    I did find some in-progress images, I'll do a post-plog when I get a chance. Tho it is nothing special, it was painted in 2 weeks, by me no less

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    Re: It's a Gruppe that kampfs! - Late War Panzergrenadiers by Sigur

    @mrtn: Thanks!

    @shrubs: Thanks very much. If BA is popular at least people should have the minis required to play CoC.

    Hullo, I'm back! Hope everybody had great holidays and a good start into 2017! Either way, good luck to all of us.




    Over the holidays I managed to get quite a lot of stuff for Chain of Command done. A small part of it being for my Normandy Panzergrenadiers:



    A Pak37 anti-tank gun with Stielgranate, a Panzer II Luchs (mainly because it looks nice), a Flammpanzer III flamethrower tank (...which I hope passes as regular Panzer III H, J and M as well despite the thicker barrel), a base of forward artillery observers (in the middle) and two light infantry guns 18 (leIG18 = leichtes Infanteriegeschütz 18).

    The leIG18 was in use with Wehrmacht infantry throughout the war as a light field gun (75mm) for close support. The whole gun's weight was less than 500 kilos. For transport the gun could be taken apart into 8 pieces (the heaviest weighing no more than 75 kilos). Crew was six men. The loading mechanism was pretty remarkable, as it worked differently to other guns, much more like on a shotgun. In this video here Tom explains it to Ron:



    The gun was not planned to be used in an anti-vehicle role, but with the right type of ammo it was able to crack enemy scout vehicles and armoured cars at up to 300m. Later on HEAT rounds were issued which allowed the leIG18 to combat enemy medium tanks.


    Also check out my general historicals thread for quite a lot more single-based 15mm minis for a different theatre of war!



    edit: If you're on FB - I entered in a GW store painting competition. Not a big thing as winners for the first round are determined by Facebook Likes and I'm pretty sure there's nothing to win but bragging rights. Anyway, if you want to go there, have a look at the entries and maybe shoot your favourite a "Like". ( *cough* I entered the Landship. *cough* )

    https://www.facebook.com/gw.wien1/ph...type=3&theater

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