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    Quick question. Just pulled out my old WFB models (I mean current/last incarnation for the most part). Well I suppose this is a two parter. I have the rulebooks so do most people play 7th or 8th? Leaning towards 7th. Also I know we would have heard if there were any rumors on this but any chance (in your opinions) will WFB make a comeback? Some gaps in my model range I'd like to fill for my armies but sadly a lot of key miniatures are gone. Yeah I know Ebay but already went through that with Epic, what a pain. No thanks not again! Appreciate it.
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    Re: Will WFB ever come back?

    GW is currently making some avances towards oldschool gamers but any talk of a resurrection of WHFB is premature, in my opinion. It's one thing bringing back Blood Bowl or Island of Blood (I sense a pattern here), but they didn't just invest a huge sum of money into killing off their oldest game only to bring it back two years later, in whatever form. Not only would it amount to an admission of guilt, it would also cannibalize sales of their golden calf, AoS (big time in my opinion). You don't want to explain this to the shareholders. Trust me, you don't.
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    Re: Will WFB ever come back?

    If it's going to come back, it won't be for several years and even then only at-best as a Forge World / Specialist Games project. GW have been correcting a lot of their mistakes recently, but they seem set on Age of Sigmar, and to be fair to the system, it seems to be reasonably successful having overcome some of its early failures.

    For older models, your best bet is the "Made to Order" releases they're doing every few weeks. They've asked for suggestions for models from "Order" (humans, dwarves, lizardmen, elves) races, so those will be coming, and the other races will hopefully follow. Aside from ebay, I've had some luck picking up OOP models from small shops that have old stock, but that's not at all reliable.

    It's worth noting that a few models they'd removed have snuck back onto the site. The Garden of Morr reappeared a while ago, there's a plastic Saurus Oldblood who went with the "Last Chance to Buy" clearout a year or so ago, but is back again, and I've noticed a few others.

    As for what most people play, I'd say 8th over 7th. When people talk about playing older editions, it seems to generally be 6th or earlier.

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    Well, yes, 7th Edition has the unfortunate distinction of being the most unbalanced mess GW has ever released, as well as possibly being responsible for the decline and ultimate death of WHFB so it is generally not well regarded and dumped in favor of 6th Edition which is very similar ruleswise but infinitely more balanced.

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    Re: Will WFB ever come back?

    I could see GW moving back to a more WHFB-like rules set, but I think some things will never be the same setting-wise.

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    Re: Will WFB ever come back?

    *sigh*
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    Hard to say, especially considering our lack of numbers.


    Near as I can tell, AoS has, saleswise, behaved much like 8th; a bad(atrocious, even) first release, followed by a slow but steady growth from there.... which is notable, because most products operate in the opposite fashion; with the bulk of their sales on initial release, and then slowly dying off from there.
    Quite interesting stuff, really.

    Whichever the case, 8th was VERY strong near the end of its lifespan, and every sign pointed to it only growing stronger from there, to the point where it might one day have dethroned 40K as the primary system!
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    It is for this reason that I say we are fairly likely to see GW try to capitalise on its strengths in SOME way.... or at least whatever they perceive those strengths to be.

    Full on rerelease, though?
    eh... probably not. At least not for the forseeable future. More likely, AoS 2nd ed. is going to see the return of a few features from classic Warhammer, such as universal special rules and proper list-building... possibly even character customisation!(such a novel concept -.-).

    Another, alternate possibility is that we're gonna see an expansion that introduces 8th-esque rules in order to "facilitate massive, apocalyptic battles", much like Apocalypse and Epic did for 40K.

    We're also likely to see more fluff revolve around "the world that was"... but we're NOT gonna see the mortal realms dropped. GW felt the blow all too well last time they tried dropping a setting to repeat THAT debacle anytime soon.

    'least, that's my read of the situation.
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    GW have painted themselves into a corner in making WHFB and AoS inherently incompatible by introducing round bases which always struck me as a bizarre choice, especially since bases weren't supposed to factor into the game at all anyway in the first draft of rules. I suppose they intended to make a clean cut but this may bite them in the back in the long run. As for the "world that was", I doubt it. They took great pains to make the names legally waterproof and an old world populated by "Grots", "Ogors", "Aelfs" and "Candlemen" just isn't the same. But they might license games and write BL novels as usual.

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    Re: Will WFB ever come back?

    I would imagine we will see it again after a mordenhime and WFRP revival

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    Re: Will WFB ever come back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Immortus View Post
    I would imagine we will see it again after a mordenhime and WFRP revival
    Is there any reliable info that both Mordheim and WFRP will be re-released?
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    If the AoS releases so far have been "the tip of the iceberg", then I can only assume that tip is placed firmly against the WFB gaming community's collective anus and the "more to come" includes higher prices, audio rulebooks in the sing along format and backpack add-ons for sigmarines.

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    Re: Will WFB ever come back?

    As others have said, it would be a massive admission that they'd got it wrong, and there'd have to be big changes at the top of the design studio for it to happen, especially as, given the rumours I've heard, 40k's going to lose points and have only the formations.

    There's also the issue that other parties are starting to shift into doing models that can be used in WFB armies, and given the whole Chapterhouse fight is pretty much the reason this move happened (everything AoS related is copyrightable), there's virtually no way they'd move back into an area they've effectively abandoned.
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    As others have said, it would be a massive admission that they'd got it wrong, and there'd have to be big changes at the top of the design studio for it to happen, especially as, given the rumours I've heard, 40k's going to lose points and have only the formations.

    There's also the issue that other parties are starting to shift into doing models that can be used in WFB armies, and given the whole Chapterhouse fight is pretty much the reason this move happened (everything AoS related is copyrightable), there's virtually no way they'd move back into an area they've effectively abandoned.
    This idea really, really needs to die off. GW may be labouring under the mistaken impression that they've made AoS more protectable than WHF was, but they and anyone else who believes that is severely mistaken.

    You can't 1:1 copy a Sigmarine, but you couldn't 1:1 copy WHF models either. In both cases though you can make models that are extremely close, because no matter how hard GW screw up their fists and stamp their feet "large humanoid in plate armour with a deathmask and lightning bolt motifs" isn't any more protectable than GW's version of Space Marines have been. If AoS ends up with a playerbase big enough to merit it, you'll see not-Sigmarines and not-Fyrebabies and all the rest, and GW won't have any more of a legal leg to stand on than they did before with Empire or Dark Elves.

    The same applies when discussing trademarks; "Aelf" doesn't have any more legal protection than "High Elf", nor "Duardin" than "Dwarf" and so on. Other companies can still use those trademarks in the approved ways - "Compatible with Games Workshop's Warhammer: Age of Sigmar" is perfectly allowed, as is "Alternative to Games Workshop's Stormcast Eternals" etc etc. Third parties will have no trouble at all using AoS-related trademarks to get their alternative models right up there on page one of the google searches for the original product name.

    If GW genuinely brought about the whole AoS debacle because they think it will let them go back to their pre-Chapterhouse bully boy legal strategy, they should stop selling miniatures and go into business selling whatever spectacular hallucinogens they're taking, they'd make a fortune.

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    Re: Will WFB ever come back?

    I find it incredibly unlikely unless there's a change of management.
    I guess the setting could make a return in say an extended mordheim/empire in flames sort of way.

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    Actually I have already seen a few models that might qualify as "Stormcast-like"; it is possible that these existed before but of course now they really stand out to me. Usually they are labelled as some kind of "Paladin". Though being a full-plate tank type (even with a hammer) is hardly original; it's a common fantasy archetype and has been for a long time. Of course their copyright isn't waterproof, but they took it as far as they possibly could.

    What I find really bizarre is that Sigmar went from Not-Jesus to Not-Odin/Thor. That helps how exactly? Ruling out the Vatican as a competitor?

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    Re: Will WFB ever come back?

    The whole copyright thing makes my head hurt. I've actually spent hours going over the evidence and transcript of the trial. It's actually an interesting read. Rules-wise I could see them going back to something resembling WHFB but I do not see a return to the Old World.

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    If I remember correctly the courts forced the competitors to remove some of their products that bore more than a vague resemblance to GW stuff, though most interestingly they weren't named anything of the sort. On the other hand they ruled that the terms "Games Workshop", "Warhammer" and "40k" are pretty much fair game for everyone to use as they see fit. In that light the whole AoS thing doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Then again we're talking about a company that seems to think the legal system exists to enforce their market monopoly.

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    Re: Will WFB ever come back?

    We are also talking about copyright laws from multiple countries and continents and they are not the same. It was about a 50/50 as to who won. Neither company won, but the consumer did.

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    Re: Will WFB ever come back?

    Anyways were getting off topic.

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    I have faith that WHFB and the Old World will return to the stores. Maybe sooner then we think. The refurbished Island of Blood kit is comming with both square and round bases with some Old World art in it. These can be small signs or not. I am interested that the releases of Tzaanury will bring square bases aswell not just rounds.
    Today I saw Araloth ( Nomad Prince ) gone to "Sold out" status. We will see what happens with him. I almost got suckered in with the Wood Elf DLC for Total War: Warhammer to start a Wood Elf army. But then I realised I need to flesh out my Empire, Bretonnia and Tomb Kings stuff.
    I can lay faith in the fact, that most of the people, who review Total War: Warhammer are not just praising CA, the game, the factions, they also praise the setting and its history. This is a rather easy thing that GW could embrance, if they had the faintest knowledge about these reviews and show-case videos.
    Speaking of this do you guys know that Total War: Warhammer managed to sell 1.1 million base game copies to the day withouth DLCs.

    By the way: Did they squat Konrad, Isabella and Vlad von Carstein? Was the Red Duke a victom of GWs elefant in the porcelan shop amok? I just saw them recently on GW site, but not remembering to see ever ( Koined Warhammer community around the great purge ).
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    Re: Will WFB ever come back?

    I don't see WFB returning. Even though GW has improved their behaviour lately returning WFB would be too big of an admission of being wrong for them to do it.
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    Re: Will WFB ever come back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergioyn View Post
    I don't see WFB returning. Even though GW has improved their behaviour lately returning WFB would be too big of an admission of being wrong for them to do it.
    I think the GW that launched this and then came up with AoS is slowly going away. The concept for AoS was agreed 2 years before release so it is definitely more of an old GW move. The big moves in the last year suggest a reach out towards the community, and they cannot be blind to how badly AoS fluff has been received. I expect that eventually WFB might return as a specialist game or maybe GW will find an effective way to restore the setting. I suspect we will find out more when they launch the next edition of 40k. If rumours are true and it becomes too much like AoS and then suddenly the question of "why play AoS" will be made.

    Critically GW have left a large cap in the market for ranked fantasy battles (which is what hollywood movies all show) and currently Mantic and others are filling the niche. It will take effort on GW's part to recapture the market, but maybe Bloodbowl has shown them that recapturing the market is both worthwhile and effective.
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