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    Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    So with the blurb ten months ago about my proposal to begin an Imperator Titan I kinda fell flat on my face.

    First, finishing up the Thunderhawk monopolized a good deal of my time and learning how to best incorporate lighting in said Thunderhawk and my Warlord engaged yet more time. Then the Presidential election captured my attention almost to the exclusion of all things else. Finally I have returned to normalcy with what I consider a fabulous idea to make a hip and lower torso mount commensurate with an automaton of this magnitude.

    So we shall begin with the 'pelvis' which I found ready made on my local Lowes Building center where I purchased about six bucks worth of PVC pipe fittings A compression fitting Tee, a threaded coupling for the connection to the upper torso and two more for the hips connections.

    http://i.imgur.com/u2Jmn7x.jpg


    Naturally all this is quite utilitarian and looks exactly what it is, some pipe fittings and there are many titans that follow this procedure and leave the fittings as is. I intend to flesh out the assembly in styrene so as to hide all the piping that will only serve as an armature or skeleton for the model.

    In the image below you will get an idea of how much more robust this construct will be compared to the pelvis and hips of my Warlord.

    http://i.imgur.com/ZnV8V8v.jpg


    Where as Luteus Vexant has hips trunnions about an inch in diameter 'Invictus' shall have 1.5 inch axles.

    The beauty of this ready made construction technique is I shall be able pivot the waist and separate the model easily and hopefully allow the legs to be posed in a walking position as well as the spraddle-legged pose.

    http://i.imgur.com/iHv6TFE.jpg


    http://i.imgur.com/4KsMObK.jpg
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    I'm more partial to the castle top version.... as something to think about: The Dark Angels Fortress of Redemption parts would lend themselves really well to building the castle complex completely out of GW product... use 5 FOR Bunkers joined by 4 FOR catwalks in a X shape... put vengeance emplacements in the front 2 bunkers, put a Aquila Macro Cannon in the middle bunker (it fits, done it!), and put 2 Plasma Obliterator Towers in the back two bunkers (it fits, done it!). That would leave you with an angular, Lucius style fortress complex for the top of a Lucius Imperator.

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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Worth a look, Thanks,

    Pelvis Engineering Compartment Floor:

    This time I'm going to do it right.

    Since I already have an idea of how large this titan will be and the fact that I do want a full interior I will be able to plan the layout as I build. None of the hit or miss second guessing I ran into on the Warlord titan

    Below are the two pieces of the Engineering base and Pelvis 82 MM square with two center holes for the waist shaft 21 MM diameter. The pieces are 2 MM thick styrene, one of the few time I work with such thick styrene because of the difficulty forming it and the danger of a knife blade slipping and cutting your hand. Extreme care should be exercised when cutting 2,0 MM styrene

    http://i.imgur.com/zDkryhO.jpg


    The plates slip over the Tee shaft and have a clearance of 1MM on either side to install the 1 MM side walls.

    http://i.imgur.com/N0buMb6.jpg


    Eventually there will be nothing showing of the Tee but the compression fittings that will serve as the hip joint housing and also allow the legs to be removed to re-position for posing.

    You might want to try building along with this thread because I intend to offer a step by step tutorial at least for the basic structure. How you detail the model is up to you but I'll show what I consider an Lucius Pattern Emperor titan should look like and you can build your walking turreted cathedral if you wish.
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Really looking forward to this. I'm a big fan of the rugged industrial look of Lucius class titans.

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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Thanks for the reply

    Okay so I had some 3/8 inch box beams (Plastruct) laying about so I used them as spacers to thicken the construction and give it strength to boot. Then if I need to modify it later it will be easier to sand down instead of a solid block.

    http://i.imgur.com/a8Qgxh0.jpg



    http://i.imgur.com/FIQUh3s.jpg



    http://i.imgur.com/RwtL7aC.jpg


    http://i.imgur.com/LkzMGrT.jpg


    This all seems pretty boring and I hope to get into the fancy stuff soon. Right now giving this heavy model (My warlord upper body weighs seven pounds) a strong basic structure is paramount.
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Basic Pelvis Block Complete:

    With thsi post the basic pelvis is complete. All that is left is applying the detail. I may bevel the corners and edges to add more pizzazz as I did on the Thunderhawk but all that is cosmetic.

    http://i.imgur.com/zJQSzyE.jpg


    The Epic Imperator is very plain and you can let your imangination run wild with the amount of detail a 3 foot tall model requires. I have a good stock of City of Dead panels left over from my Warlord and I have a Fortress of Redemption to decorate the greaves if needs be.

    http://i.imgur.com/2oMX14M.jpg


    I used 0.040 thousandths styrene to sheath the pelvis and sanded the edges smooth; there's not really much to say about the step except to take great pains to make your angles square and true. Good enough is never "Good Enough"; that's my motto.

    http://i.imgur.com/PUPtHYJ.jpg


    A few extra pains taken now will save you a lot of grief later.

    http://i.imgur.com/Jp3YsLu.jpg
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Lucius Pattern large scale Titans look so much better (I do prefer the Mars Reaver and Warhound though) Off to a good start! Best of luck!

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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Moar...Moar...MOAR!!!!

    I like that idea for the pelvis, I have to remake my Warlord, so perhaps look for something like that

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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    .....and before you can say lucius pattern, MR Adder has already made half the pelvisarea

    Ill be following this with great interest
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Ooooo, now I will be following this one closely. Always love your builds Mr Adder, the Warlord was the inspiration for me to start scratch building 40k stuff.

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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Thanks for the reply,

    Two Steps Back:

    Found these dynomite compression couplings that are just made for this construct so scrap the rods and the sleeve for the nonce and work on cropping the length of the assembly.

    http://i.imgur.com/rDXJWCH.jpg


    By cutting off the octagons I managed to crop the length by about 30 MM which makes the extreme width of the hips 12.5 inches (31.75 CM) compared to my Warlord's 10.5 inches (26.67 CM) which should be just right for a scale:180 to 200 ft (54 to 61 meter) tall Emperor Titan.

    http://i.imgur.com/bLFeR7p.jpg
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    If you thought the Warlord was inspiration wait til you get a load of this.

    Oh God I'm In Love:

    Look what I just found! Before I started this I had so-so enthusiasm for this project thinking it's worth a shot making a easy to build Emperor Titan that my readers might attempt along with me but that stops now!

    I am totally jazzed about this project since I found this head. Back when I began my Warlord finding Dave Smiths Epic rendering committed me to the project. That is what finding this image has done.

    http://i.imgur.com/Y2qZ5Cv.png


    Starting now I'm going to build this part full sized (as it prints out on Landscape 8.5 X 11 paper) and build the rest of the titan in proportion.

    The overall size is just about an inch bigger than my Warlord's head overall so it is in keeping with my projected height for my Emperor.

    This is going to be 'dynomite!' if I can accomplish it.
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Simple As Falling Off A Log:

    When I started this thread I said to myself, "I'm going to make this model as simply as I can just to see what can be done with off the shelf items readily available to the judicious builder.

    I planned this so anyone can make one of these along with me.

    http://i.imgur.com/57b5tEn.jpg


    Here we have about $25 bucks worth of plastic pipe fittings, and model styrene. A $3.50 bottle of conditioner (We just need the bottle and a bit of imagination (Supplied by your's truly ) and a fantastic head image to work off of, all you need is a cheap printer........

    So with these parts gathered there should be no problem making the head and hip components.

    http://i.imgur.com/UM5Uizc.jpg


    The next part is a bit of a lark on my part; you're going to need an old beach chair. We've all seen them usually tossed in the rubbish with a broken hinge mechanism but usually two or three still functioning and all we need is two.

    http://i.imgur.com/PiTcJro.jpg


    These will form working knee joints, I hope, with a bit of ingenuity.

    http://i.imgur.com/f5Z1vAb.jpg


    Of course it's not necessary to have flexing knees but since I have the chair I might as well go for the gusto. ;-)
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Neck:

    The coupling being PVC is not compatible with styrene so I applied a veneer of 0.015 sheet styrene so parts and detail can be added.

    http://i.imgur.com/ijcMkcJ.jpg


    I then roughed in the cutout coordinates for the head to neck connection.

    http://i.imgur.com/fI28OOL.jpg


    The large round cylinder just below the helmet where the ears would be I am assuming is the neck/skull joint to allow the head to tilt down. Likewise the flexible conduits on either side of the chin.

    Why not call these by their anatomical names. The so-called "Command Bridge is very skull-like.
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Thanks for all the replies during my vacation.

    Thanks for the reply,

    Getting the right angle:

    I've wracked my brains trying to come up with a way to manufacture legs that were angled slightly akimbo (about 10%) so my Warmonger can be posed in the classic manner. Most of the pipe fitting models I have seen have the legs parallel to each other and it looks boxy and strange to the artistic eye. Never mind that parallel legs or even legs canted in to a pigeon toed stance are more amenable to a proper walking gate. For a static stance nothing compares to the rock solid look of a spraddled posture.

    This realized, getting the proper fittings is out. You have three choices; 90°, 45°, and 22.5° and that's it, so to get the requisite 10° I'll have to manufacture them.

    Here's my solution:

    I bought two caps and drilled and taped two 1/4 20 NC threads into the caps and short threaded coupling. I purposely made two different angles, one 10° and one about 12°, as once the legs are built I can chose which angle I like better or maybe keep both for a bit of variation. I screwed in two 6 inch threaded rods that will serve as the thigh shafts, thin and strong and able to support the ten pounds or more of the upper body when finished.

    http://i.imgur.com/tPwX9xN.jpg


    Next I slipped two styrene tubes over the threaded rods that will serve as the glue base for all the thigh shaft construction and ultimately the detail of the upper legs.

    http://i.imgur.com/TUygS3w.jpg


    Your pardon for the hiatus but I took a last minute vacation for the past few weeks to clear my head and tour Florida.
    Last edited by The_Blackadder; 04-03-2017 at 17:55.
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    An excellent start, looking forward to seeing more.

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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Nice find Mr Adder, I can see why it's fired you up

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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Lol, like the screw everybody else I'm doing it the hard way attitude.

    good luck on the project mr Blackadder, looking forward to your next posts.

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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Well, I think thatīs a new definition of "using bits from other sources in your models"

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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Haha, the beach chair hinges for the knees are a great idea!

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