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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Jaw Cut Out:

    Using my vibrating saw it was a simple matter cutting out the jaw recess in the coupling.

    http://i.imgur.com/V33rgGl.jpg


    The neck is now ready for shaping and detailing.

    http://i.imgur.com/KoJVjmG.jpg


    Incidentally my Chicago Electric vibrating saw is a must have tool for hobbying;

    http://www.harborfreight.com/variabl...ool-62867.html

    This cut would be really difficult with virtually any other device other than a hand tool and my $25 dollar saw was a tremendous time saver. It took about five minutes to make this cut including the blade swap.
    Last edited by The_Blackadder; 11-03-2017 at 13:56.
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    The head illustration honestly looks at bit Mars-pattern rather than Lucius pattern honestly. Are you going to Lucius it up a bit?

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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Until I saw this head I was quite content to go for a strictly Lucius Pattern but now I'm of two minds. The head is sufficiently of both disciplines so I may make use of both. I depends how the head turns out which direction I take.
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Head is ok, but as base. Put some more Lucius style armor on it and it will be fine.

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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Snow Bound:

    So to while away the weather front I did some work on the neck which I have to admit is coming out better than expected. I sheathed the coupling on 0.040 thousandths styrene to three layers and then proceeded to bevel the rear edges 45 as in the drawing.
    http://i.imgur.com/Z9duybo.jpg


    As you can see below there is quite a bit of cutting to get the 45 bevel in the front edge ............


    http://i.imgur.com/gZQcNh6.jpg



    but my 'Farmers file' was up to the task.

    http://i.imgur.com/BTujlxG.jpg


    The forward bevel needs to be refined but is okay for the moment while I make the inner neck mechanism so the head can be tilted down. My previous Warlord has this capability but the mechanism is very clunky and I am hoping to refine it on this model.

    http://i.imgur.com/TbMVdfC.jpg


    Finally I found this collar that will work very well in the scheme I have in mind for the side to side movement of the head and fits into the Emperor design quite well.

    http://i.imgur.com/Ofba1Op.jpg


    Can anyone guess the source of this wondeous bit of sculpting?
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Blackadder View Post
    Snow Bound:

    So to while away the weather front I did some work on the neck which I have to admit is coming out better than expected. I sheathed the coupling on 0.040 thousandths styrene to three layers and then proceeded to bevel the rear edges 45 as in the drawing.
    http://i.imgur.com/Z9duybo.jpg


    As you can see below there is quite a bit of cutting to get the 45 bevel in the front edge ............


    http://i.imgur.com/gZQcNh6.jpg



    but my 'Farmers file' was up to the task.

    http://i.imgur.com/BTujlxG.jpg


    The forward bevel needs to be refined but is okay for the moment while I make the inner neck mechanism so the head can be tilted down. My previous Warlord has this capability but the mechanism is very clunky and I am hoping to refine it on this model.

    http://i.imgur.com/TbMVdfC.jpg


    Finally I found this collar that will work very well in the scheme I have in mind for the side to side movement of the head and fits into the Emperor design quite well.

    http://i.imgur.com/Ofba1Op.jpg


    Can anyone guess the source of this wondeous bit of sculpting?
    Did it come from a ceiling fan?

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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    2D vs 3D

    I'm getting way ahead of myself with this head assembly so I put the brakes on to pitch an update. After scraping my initial idea of how the head assembly can tip forward on the neck I came up with this solution which will give me a lot more cockpit room for the crew. There also is a poetic license taken by the artist who drew the front and side reliefs of the Command Bridge. The huge ear discs that contain the head tilting mechanism cannot function as drawn and are of different sizes in the drawing. Never mind though, I have a solution.

    I'll start with cutting the forward neck ring to allow the discs to mount flat to the sides of the neck.

    http://i.imgur.com/mvwGHMu.jpg


    Carving out an outer race for the gimbal head mount pad and gluing on the gimbal bases is what is shown here. The two 0.040th inch discs are 71 MM apart and 56 MM in diameter.

    http://i.imgur.com/gkvcxbH.jpg


    The bridge truss maintains the distance and keeps the gimbals square to each other and stabilizes the bases

    http://i.imgur.com/uFbVKve.jpg


    Bottom view showing the forward ring carved out to accommodate the gimbal bases.

    http://i.imgur.com/ZpFupBN.jpg


    Next, the manufacture of the gimbals mounts. (The area left black in the 2D drawing.)
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Gimbals:

    Or Trunnions whatever, These truncated discs will support the head on the neck to allow it to look down in a purely theatrical way as a downward pointing camera would be just as effective but the menace of this skull staring down at it's victim is too good to pass up.

    http://i.imgur.com/TxBpE0G.jpg


    Above; the disc is a simple truncated construct featuring two circles 45,0 and 54,0 MM separated by 2,0 MM by 4,8 MM styrene spacers.

    http://i.imgur.com/fIfj5Yf.jpg


    Unfortunately I got the angle wrong so I have to re-sheath the bevel but that's not a big deal.

    http://i.imgur.com/J7JtoOQ.jpg


    Tomorrow I hope to be working on the cockpit.
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    The Visor:

    Allowing for the helmet I mounted the gimbals with extended visor mounts made of 0.015 thousandths sheet styrene. As I don't really have a plan for the cockpit, chin or gullet piece all this is subject to change but at least now I understand how the cheek pieces work with the gimbals.

    http://i.imgur.com/dybKoJX.jpg


    I suppose the best thing is to cut the helmet to see where it falls in relation to the ears (gimbals) and the amount of clearance required to allow the head to lower and raise.

    http://i.imgur.com/LEecGev.jpg


    Somehow I managed to guess right which moving part eclipses which and for that I am grateful.

    http://i.imgur.com/a8ra21q.jpg


    Later on this evening I'll cut the helmet but I need to relax a bit after this thoroughly draining exercise in design. Martini Time!!!!!
    Last edited by The_Blackadder; 18-03-2017 at 23:37.
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Helmet:

    My initial thought was to use a suitably shaped bottle to form the helmet but after experimentation I found that was unsatisfactory for my obsessive compulsive mindset. I opted instead for building up the helmet out of stratified layers of styrene and cutting the helmet out of the resulting block in much the same manner as I did for my Warlord Titan

    http://i.imgur.com/gxEB51B.jpg


    This also relieves me of the necessity of finding a suitable glue for mating the different sources of plastic......

    http://i.imgur.com/uAIDHK3l.jpg


    It's bad enough that I had already go through the identical thought processes in making my Warlord but to have not learned for my previous effort defies logic.
    Last edited by The_Blackadder; 22-03-2017 at 14:00.
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Brilliant work so far. The vision you have for this kind of stuff is amazing.

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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Thanks for the reply,

    Ready To Begin Shaping:

    The layering is complete and all needs be done is the shaping

    http://i.imgur.com/aK44D0O.jpg


    I made the helmet about an eighth inch over sized per inch to allow for carving and sanding

    http://i.imgur.com/axEuWUo.jpg


    Tomorrow I should be well along on the paring down to the rough dimensions.

    http://i.imgur.com/l0WOVlJ.jpg
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    hi 'adder! Here's the building I was talking about earlier that could potentially be used as the basis for a castle-topped Imperator with Lucius styling. It's a GW Fortress of Redemption, and then some. You could easily arrange 5 of the bunkers in an 'X' formation with interconnecting gangways.
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    This is the turret from an Aquila Strongpoint (which has the same circumference as a GW Plasma Obliterator, so that should also theoretically fit), and it plunks into the turret almost perfectly (though it's better to build the bunker around the turret than get the turret in after the bunker is built. These could allow for different height weapon and tower emplacements

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    I'm all for big guns for the top platform, but I think a castle with big guns opens up a lot of opportunity for some cool built in diorama

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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Beppo, I've been looking at these for Imperator feet should I choose to go that route. Thanks for the suggestion.

    First and Second Contour Cuts:

    Most of which are done on a stationary belt sander.

    http://i.imgur.com/7RO8KiC.jpg


    One more preliminary contour cut to make.....

    http://i.imgur.com/SVQpT3F.jpg


    The sides have to be rough sanded at about 45 before the finishing contour sanding.

    http://i.imgur.com/VYPbiO9.jpg
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Rough Shaping:

    Final rough shaping involves truing up the block to 90 then cutting a 45 bevel each side and finally two 22.5 bevels each side on top and sides.

    http://i.imgur.com/9DUyTiT.jpg


    Next (and this is the tricky part because it takes a bit of an eye for roundness) sanding off the excess in a controlled arc movement on the sanding belt.

    http://i.imgur.com/bdNKxBZ.jpg


    http://i.imgur.com/8vAqAXM.jpg


    http://i.imgur.com/W0ZiUMI.jpg


    so the helmet has a slightly flattened ovoid shape in cross section.
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Basic Helmet and Head

    Well it took far more time than I thought but I do finally have the basic helmet cut to size.


    http://i.imgur.com/P1eCper.jpg


    http://i.imgur.com/fNkomQv.jpg


    http://i.imgur.com/J6b7rWg.jpg


    http://i.imgur.com/5egDBeZ.jpg


    The rear view shows how much I cut out of the interior so I can add the under helmet detail when the cockpit is complete. I may still remove a lot of the inside material but for now it's sufficient as the helmet is as fragile as an eggshell with out it's interior framing.


    http://i.imgur.com/n4znz4T.png


    BTW you may have noticed the background image. This is what I am hoping the finished Titan will look like but leaner and longer legs.
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    How many layers did you use? Each time I see you do things like this, im shocked

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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonfrask View Post
    How many layers did you use? Each time I see you do things like this, im shocked
    Ha, about 50 layers of 1,0 and 8 layers of 1.5 MM sheet styrene.
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Holy Emperor, thats a lot of styrene ! And then you just cut most of it away
    Looking very good sofar, Mr Adder.
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    Re: Blackadder's Attempt To Build a Lucius Patten Imperator Titan 'Invictus'

    Suffice it to say I am not happy how this helmet is turning out so I am revamping it. Update coming soon.

    Meanwhile:

    I naturally assumed my Warlord crew would fit into an Imperator head but never really checked so while I'm waiting to complete the face shield I just tried them for size.....

    There's plenty of room; even for a Princep and a few attendees And a cadre of Tech Priests as well.

    http://i.imgur.com/Hgx7B75.jpg


    http://i.imgur.com/ApSGtc4.jpg
    Last edited by The_Blackadder; 30-03-2017 at 21:02.
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