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    Chaos by Give_me_a_d

    A few of you reading this might remember that before pledging myself to the Greater Good I was an arch heretic in thrall to the powers of Chaos and in particular Nurgle. With the advent of a new edition of WH40K and Chaos and specifically Death Guard getting serious attention from GW I thought I would start up a new thread and return to my dark past.

    First of all a bit of a 'way back machine' recap of my previous work. In the early days I painted a lot of Plaguebearers but also some other stuff. Here is a photo from those early days:


    More recently I branched out into chaos space marines, starting with some 1Ksons and a Defiler in addition to more daemons:


    Before breaking off to serve the Greater Good I did more CSM, including Death Guard and Warp Talons, and daemons including Plague Drones:


    However, this isn't meant to be a nostalgia trip. What I will post here will include the Death Guard from Dark Imperium and whatever disgusting new releases there are on the horizon as well as anything from a huge backlog of grey plastic and dull coloured metal (yes, it goes that far back) that takes my fancy. I may even revisit some of my previous work to see if I can improve on what I did 5+ years ago.Attachment 232213
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    Do you still have your recipe for the Warp Talons? I've been trying for ages to find a scheme that I like with them, since they're so god-damn fiddly and baroque, but yours is the first scheme I've seen without lots of trim work on it that looks good.

    Looking forward to seeing the rest of your work!

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    Some real classics here and I love the variety of paint schemes; cohesive forces are nice too, but Chaos is one of the few armies that can really get away with a mismatch of units bound together in hatred and bloodlust.

    Ditto on the Warp Talons, cool unique scheme.
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    Thanks jbeil and Denny, glad you like what you see.

    To pick up on the Warp Talons paint scheme here are a couple of more detailed shots:




    On the scheme the purple edging is based on Naggaroth Night, drybrush Liche Purple and highlighted with Genestealer Purple. The 'insides' of the armour are a darkish grey of some kind(?), possible Codex Grey with a Baal Red wash. The blue talons etc start with a Mordian Blue as a good base for the main colour Ice Blue. The Ice Blue is then highlighted with Space Wolves Grey, quite roughly really. Then a wash with Asurmen Blue, quite heavy, trying to concentrate in the middle of talons etc. After that its a careful highlight with white and their done. I'm not sure what the tooth bits on the jump pack are painted with. That's all a bit of a mishmash of GW paints from across the ages but there will be modern equivalents for the old ones I'm sure.

    I've been working on some of the Dark Imperium contents starting with the poxwalkers. I'm not that taken with all the tentacle and horn bits so a lot of them are coming off. I might get a chance to take a pic or two over the weekend.

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    I've been sticking plastic together pretty much every chance I get and have put together half the Poxwalkers and 4 of the Death Guard marines from the new box. I'll be carrying on and will hopefully have some pics for you soon. I've been cutting of most of the horn type growths from the Poxwalkers in particular and adding more damage/ decay to the armour of the marines.

    Although I'm very much looking forward to all the new stuff coming very soon for the Death Guard I've decided to wait a little while before I commit to buying any of it so I can see exactly what we get in terms of the range of models. So far I sure that I won't bother with the Plague Brethren, as 25 for 3 models is to much if you ask me. I'll probably end up doing a big order some time in October, assuming the remaining kits come in next few weeks.

    One issue that I find myself in two minds about is whether I should base my new chaos minis on desert bases like my Tau, or stick with the old, darker bases. What do you think? I really like my desert bases but I would potentially have a lot of work ahead to re-base all my Chaos Marines. The other issue of course is whether to re-base the marines on 32mm bases the same as the new ones.

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    I like the way the Plague Brethren come packaged with the extra content, like the designer's notes and the John Blanche art cards, but agree that the price is steep. Given how many new kits are coming out for the Death Guard, I am with you on waiting a few weeks to see what else is to come.

    Looking forward to seeing your unique take on the poxwalkers and DG marines.

    Not sure on the basing question. You might want to go lighter desert bases if your Nurgle stuff is going to incorporate earth tones. That should help the finished product pop a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eater of Small Things View Post
    I like the way the Plague Brethren come packaged with the extra content, like the designer's notes and the John Blanche art cards, but agree that the price is steep. Given how many new kits are coming out for the Death Guard, I am with you on waiting a few weeks to see what else is to come.

    Looking forward to seeing your unique take on the poxwalkers and DG marines.

    Not sure on the basing question. You might want to go lighter desert bases if your Nurgle stuff is going to incorporate earth tones. That should help the finished product pop a bit.
    Thanks Eater of Small Things for your comments. I agree with you on the bases; the contrast between the Nurgle colours and the desert bases will make the models stand out a bit more. To illustrate this I've gone through my old pics and come up with these:







    The top pic is Epidemius who I painted ages ago but is still probably my best painting of a Nurgle daemon. The next pic shows three of my most recently painted plaguebearers, although still several years ago now. The last pic is of my Nurgle CSM daemon prince. All three pics show the sort of paint scheme that I have done for Nurgle in the past and how they blend into the bases a bit. I'm thinking of trying something slightly brighter this time round but it won't be radically different. I still think desert bases would help make the models stand out.

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    Good looking models dude. Glad I stumbled across this blog. Being a chaos fan myself, I like what you have done with the bases.

    Any ideas on how you will paint your Dark Imperium set? With the new Death Guard book out i'm tempted to do a detachment of them as allies for my Word Bearers but can't think of a good paint scheme myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcherry View Post
    Good looking models dude. Glad I stumbled across this blog. Being a chaos fan myself, I like what you have done with the bases.

    Any ideas on how you will paint your Dark Imperium set? With the new Death Guard book out i'm tempted to do a detachment of them as allies for my Word Bearers but can't think of a good paint scheme myself.
    Hi blackcherry, thanks I'm glad you like what you see. Your question gives me an excuse to pick out another pic from my archive to show how I've tackled Death Guard before:



    These were some of the most recent CSM models that I painted something like 3 years ago before going all Greater Good. They are mostly based on the old metal plague marine models that have to be about 15 years old now. I can see that one of the plasma gunners is from the slightly later havocs set, which was probably circa 2004. The icon bearer is built from plastic CSM bits plus some other junk that I had in my bits box.

    I'm not sure I want to do the new Death Guard exactly that same way, not least of all because I remember these old ones were quite a lot of work, but I don't suppose it will be radically different.


    A couple of times I have said I would try to get some pics of the new models that I'd put together so here are the Poxwalkers:



    As you can see I cut most of the horns off or reduced them plus I've started to add a few bits, although still more to do on that front. The second set will be worked up in much the same way but with a few weapon/arm swaps etc to ensure each is unique. I'm holding off completing all the DI Death Guard as I think I might want to convert a few of them into the various new characters the DG have. The next thing I'll work on will either be the rest of the Poxwalkers or the Bloat Drone.

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    I've been waiting on all the new kits to drop for the Death Guard before making any purchases. In that time I've been doing a bit of think about what I can do to tackle the mountain of grey plastic and metal I have in my 'Room of Doom'. As several others have noticed and provided pics as proof there has been a marked increase in size with the new DI death guard. They are absolutely beautiful models with masses of detail, but they're big. To be fair though the scale creep has had a few significant steps up in size in the past too. As a little fun experiment I dug out one of my coveted old RT Chaos Renegades that has 1989 on its tab and put him next to a marine from the DI set. Here is the result:



    It's a bit of a blurry photo but you can see that the new guy is about half as tall again as the one from 28 years ago! Now that particular RT dude is one of the shorter ones but even so that is a massive difference. I'm convinced now that if I ever get around to painting my RT renegades they will be just a stand alone project to showcase the old models.

    In all seriousness though the new DG are bigger than all the previous iterations and this is a problem as I have quite a few of the metal ones from about 15 years ago. I've thought about this quite a bit and decided that I will get my saw out - the main problem with the old models is that their legs are short and weedy in comparison with the new models but their torsos and heads are OK. What I'm going to do therefore is saw the legs off the metal models, get a set of Mk3 Iron Armour and use the legs with the metal torsos. I can boost the height more by putting more filler in between the legs and torso and this should mean that they are much the same sort of height. The hybrids may not have quite the same girth as the new models but they will blend in more. It's going to be a lot of work but I think potentially quite satisfying. Wish me luck!
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    So the Mk3 armour arrived and since then I've been fiddling about with the legs and my bunch of old death guard models. After doing a little stock take I found that in addition to 8 full metal models (not quite as many as I'd thought) but I also had 3 havoc torsos and 3 Forgeworld torsos, giving me 14 altogether. If I'm going to do all of them I'll have to do a bits order, but that can wait as I'll work on the easier ones first. This is going to take a while as sawing up the metal models is quite time consuming. Anyway I have proved that this is the way to go with one metal torso pinned to Mk3 legs so I can now start a bit of a production line. I still need to figure out how I'm going to fill/ cover gaps but I'm sure it'll work out.
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    Here is a side by side of one of the DI Death Guard and the prototype for salvaging the old metal DG. I think this shows that height wise the prototype is about right. The Mk3 legs aren't as thick as the legs on the new DI marines but I'm hoping that once I've got arms, weapons, shoulder pads and backpacks on my conversions you'll have to look quite closely to see which are which. I'm going to need to get a bit inventive with the backpacks as using any of my stash of old chaos ones or the Mk3 ones as they are isn't going to look that good. I have loads of DG appropriate shoulder pads to use. Since taking this pic I've cut the legs from 2 more of the old metal DG, put backs on the 3 old metal DG Havoc torsos and put together all the legs from the Mk3 Iron armour marines. I've also gone ahead and ordered a box of the multi part DG so I'm going to wait for them to arrive before getting stuck into arms and weapons for my conversions but there is enough to keep me busy for a while yet.
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    I've been working on the old metal Death Guard, both the standard marines and the Havoc torsos as well as the FW torsos and I've made good progress. The pic below shows the state they are in right now. On the top line are 4 metal marines who have had their legs sawn off and one of the Havoc torsos. The bottom row is the 3 FW torsos and the other 2 Havocs. The metal marines have been pinned to their legs while the others have had spacers added but aren't glued yet.



    I think these will now be OK for height so they will be fine for mixing in with the DI Death Guard. As you can see from this next pic they are still possibly a bit short but much closer to the height of the new models.



    Unfortunately my big order hasn't come through yet (waiting on a back order for Typhus) so I don't have the box of multi part DG yet. Once it arrives I'll use as much of the spare weapons, arms etc to complete these old models as I can. I am prepared to make a bits order if needs be for arms and weapons, but I have loads of shoulder pads that should be fine. I've also got quite a few backpacks from across the years, but again I'm quite happy to do a bits order if needs be. One issue that I have come across, by accident really, is that these guys are going to be quite difficult to base if I use my desert world scheme. I had made up a couple of 32mm bases with a rock and a bit of Milliput a while ago, probably in anticipation of doing some more stealth suits for my Tau. Anyway I tried just about all of the DI Death Guard on the 2 bases and none of them would really work without quite a bit of work. I didn't think I had made the bases that uneven but the new models have big wide feet. I'll see if the old guys are any better but it looks like I'm going to have to be quite careful when sculpting bases.

    I've also been fiddling around with the second half of the pox walkers from DI, doing some weapon and arm swaps to try to mix them up a bit and not have 2 identical sets. I have picked up the easy to build set as well so I'll have a good number of these guys.
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    Re: Chaos by Give_me_a_d

    What happened to the Photos from the last 3 posts???

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDEATH View Post
    What happened to the Photos from the last 3 posts???
    I don't know what was going on there. I have hopefully managed to fix it. Let me know if there are any further problems.

    While I'm here I can report that I've just about finished hacking apart the second set of pox walkers and sticking them back together again. I've steadily got a bit more adventurous as I've gone along I'll do a side by side pic at the weekend once I'm finished. Unfortunately still no sign of my big model order so arms, weapons and shoulder pads for the Death Guard are still on hold.

    EDIT - Sorry, it seems that there is still a problem with the photos in the last few posts. It's weird as they are linked from google in the same way as pics in previous posts. They also show up OK for me in Firefox on my PC but not on my ipad.
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    Despite not being able to fix the problem with photos in the last few posts I'm going to (try to) share the work on the pox walkers. The first set, which I'll refer to as Set A, were assembled as per the instructions but with a lot of the horns and tentacles cut off. I have been working on the second set, Set B, doing arm swaps to try to ensure that the 2 sets from Dark Imperium look a bit different. In the photos below I've lined them up with Set A on the top row and the Set B on the bottom row:



    Left to right Set B:
    1. hand turned through 180, big hammer pole cut down and head swapped for the flamer/exhaust end from no.2
    2. hammer head from no.1 instead of flamer/exhaust end
    3. right arm with hammer (converted to an axe on the Set A guy) swapped for mechanical arm from no.5
    4. broken gun swapped for the broken gun from no.7
    5. mechanical arm swapped for hammer arm from no.3



    6. big spanner hand swapped for a mace wielding arm from the old Mordheim Carnival of Chaos set
    7. broken gun swapped for the broken gun from no.4
    8. arm swap with no.10
    9. knife swapped with no.10
    10. arm swapped with no.8 and knife from no.9, (gas bottle retained)

    I was intending to go on to the easy to build set of walkers but almost out of nowhere my big order has arrived so I will be doing a lot of fiddling about with the multi part Death Guard and working out how to arm my metal conversions. My first impressions after having a good look at the sprues is that the detail is great as usual and there are loads of great bits, but the way each figure is put together looks like it might limit the amount of variation. There are actually loads more heads and shoulder pads than I had expected so if I'm going to need to do a bits order it is likely to only be for backpacks.

    As ever comments welcome and if anyone can shed light on the photo problem please let me know. Thanks
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    Re: Chaos by Give_me_a_d

    For your Photo problem if you are linking to the URL from Google Photos like I do then did you remember to UNCHECK the box next to "Retrieve remote file and reference locally"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDEATH View Post
    For your Photo problem if you are linking to the URL from Google Photos like I do then did you remember to UNCHECK the box next to "Retrieve remote file and reference locally"?
    Thanks Redeath, I did that once but I’m wise to it now. I really can’t explain it as I don’t think I’m doing anything different compared with previous posts where the photos are showing up OK.

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    Re: Chaos by Give_me_a_d

    It has been a little while since I did a proper update and I might do another before Christmas but I have just accepted a job offer that will see me moving about 170 miles north. I'm really excited about the job as it seems like the type of thing I have been aiming for for a number of years. However, I've got a busy few months ahead of me that will mean that I will have limited hobby time and probably won't be able to post anything new for quite some time. I will eventually be back, next year at some point.

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