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    Are Warmachine: Company of Iron and Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire the same game?

    Are Warmachine: Company of Iron and Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire the same game?

    There are differences in models needed (unit versus warband), hex map and measuring, reduced stats and stats as normal (as far as I know). And of course there is the material, privateer resin against plastic.
    So aside from getting ready to get started (more building/cleaning and reading for Warmachine), is the basic game the same at the core?

    Both have deck building and are pitched as competitive games with at least the potential for tournament support.

    What are your thoughts?

    I am heavily biased on both, so this is just my opinion.
    I really hate the Warmachine resin and it looks complicated, both are what you need as an introduction to the big game though. Price is known and to me it looks like anything from Privateer Press (doubles at too high costs). Beyond the starter box there is no next content shown, so I have no real idea what to expect next (card sets/cards and a squad?). It does come with cardboard terrain, so maybe terrain building is part of this, which would add more complexity. In total you don't get much and might need to do a lot to play for the price, I do not see the difference to classic starter set aside from a few cards.
    I hate the mortal realms and the gold boys, I really don't like these either. It looks like a real board game, super simplified and easy to play. I can see this being interesting to play with children, because it is ready to go. But is fails to give me any wargaming vibe, it is a gateway to a setting. I fail to see any depth beyond special cards you need to buy all packs for. I actually expect to see people reselling the miniatures to buy cards. So for a board game it needs different prices than their current offerings for me to even consider it. Actually I would not even then, because of the setting.

    Take that away and it looks the same to me, it looks like a DLC sale model.
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    Re: Are Warmachine: Company of Iron and Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire the same ga

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Joe View Post
    Are Warmachine: Company of Iron and Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire the same game?

    There are differences in models needed (unit versus warband), hex map and measuring, reduced stats and stats as normal (as far as I know). And of course there is the material, privateer resin against plastic.
    So aside from getting ready to get started (more building/cleaning and reading for Warmachine), is the basic game the same at the core?

    Both have deck building and are pitched as competitive games with at least the potential for tournament support.

    What are your thoughts?

    I am heavily biased on both, so this is just my opinion.
    I really hate the Warmachine resin and it looks complicated, both are what you need as an introduction to the big game though. Price is known and to me it looks like anything from Privateer Press (doubles at too high costs). Beyond the starter box there is no next content shown, so I have no real idea what to expect next (card sets/cards and a squad?). It does come with cardboard terrain, so maybe terrain building is part of this, which would add more complexity. In total you don't get much and might need to do a lot to play for the price, I do not see the difference to classic starter set aside from a few cards.
    I hate the mortal realms and the gold boys, I really don't like these either. It looks like a real board game, super simplified and easy to play. I can see this being interesting to play with children, because it is ready to go. But is fails to give me any wargaming vibe, it is a gateway to a setting. I fail to see any depth beyond special cards you need to buy all packs for. I actually expect to see people reselling the miniatures to buy cards. So for a board game it needs different prices than their current offerings for me to even consider it. Actually I would not even then, because of the setting.

    Take that away and it looks the same to made, it looks like a DLC sale model.
    You certainly don't need to like the golden boys, but I just found out about Shadespire and it looks really cool. I'm totally willing to look past the Sigmarines and get amped up about this game. Depending on price, it's exactly the sort of thing I'd go in for.

    Company of Iron looks much bigger in scope than Shadespire, so I'd be curious to know more about the differences in gameplay. I love the Piggies and Cygnar both, but I wouldn't pay european prices for Company of Iron.

    P.S. when I last messed with Privateer's plastic material, it wasn't the material itself that needed work: it was the tooling. The pure resin they use for their resin+metal warbeast/collosal kits is excellent. Their plastic mixture is only okay, and many of the models I worked with were just fine. But on certain sculpts it would result in repeated, totally unforgivable manufacturing flaws, sometimes requiring details to get resculpted. The formula also appears to have changed some over the past few years, because several of my kits are darker in hue. I don't have any experience with their colored plastic 3rd edition starter kits. And to make matters more confusing, they started using HDPS sprue plastic in some products, which is top-notch. So for them to say "resin and plastic," that's not really enough information to figure out what it's really made of. PP is all over the place when it comes to material. For infantry, I've come to expect about 6/10 on material quality from PP. But I've never seen a pure resin infantry model from them before.

    EDIT: Since you mentioned that hex vs. measuring, I'll just say that I'd be very surprised if the games ended up having a similar overall look and feel, regardless of whether you can boil them down to similar core mechanics.
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    Re: Are Warmachine: Company of Iron and Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire the same ga

    From what the internet tells, the PP box will be at least 25% more expensive at retail price. Their EU prices are too high.

    The scope does look a lot bigger, a small gaming mat (still kitchen table level) versus 2 tiles (fit on a small table when combined). Both games look to sell fixed teams so far, variety from cards.
    Look and feel may be different but when the real game is deck building, anything after is just added eye candy.
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