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    Age of Sigmar "The new Edition"

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    Yes, that's right. Not "2nd Edition", "The New Edition". With refined gameplay etc.

    So. What does this mean? AoS was released in 2015. That means, 3 years later we get the next Edition. That's rather short. Apparently GW plan on continuing the system of perpetually revolving Editions, despite me and other people hoping for the contrary. And that despite the fact that only a fraction of the range have been updated from WHFB. What of the human factions, for crying out loud?

    I'll state it bluntly. The Edition model is outdated and bad. As in, really bad and not customer friendly at all. It's what destroyed WHFB. All those nifty books you bought? You can now throw them into the trash can (presumably). Buy some more. Balance updates? What are those? Meanwhile the largest part of the range still comes with square bases.

    GW is continuing their cycle of favoritism by supporting some factions and then moving on before they're done. I wouldn't be surprised if some models still come with square bases by 2030. This brave new world thing is all smokes and mirrors.
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    Re: Age of Sigmar "The new Edition"

    Dunno, I don't really care about the rules.
    I got to say, though: these new undead minis are gorgeous, the black coach is going in my collection for sure.

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    Re: Age of Sigmar "The new Edition"

    Quote Originally Posted by Urgat View Post
    Dunno, I don't really care about the rules.
    I got to say, though: these new undead minis are gorgeous, the black coach is going in my collection for sure.
    Agreed. Some nice wraiths in there as well.
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    Re: Age of Sigmar "The new Edition"

    This one has a Storm of Magic-alike built in though, so innovation!

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    A bit early, maybe they want to align it to 40k?
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    Re: Age of Sigmar "The new Edition"

    Does it really make a difference? They're putting out General's Handbooks roughly a year, which is essentially the 'rulebook'.

    I mean do you need the current starter set to get the rules? Nope, free online. The warscrolls? Ditto. Dice, range-rulers, etc, all available separately. The "Age of Sigmar" starter set is basically a themed miniature skirmish set, not unlike Blightwar or Forgebane, etc. You'd only buy it if you wanted both the Stormcast Eternals and the Gorechosen models within.

    This will be exactly the same, just containing a lot more lore.
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    That is frustrating to hear that they intend to issue editions on a rolling schedule. It only provides space for lazy rules writing because, "it's okay! We'll sort it at the next update".


    I find it odd that whenever I voice my concern about constant rules churn, people can't help but try and tell me I'm wrong to think so.... Either because I should want it for continual improvement or that 3 years is normal for it... Well no!

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    Re: Age of Sigmar "The new Edition"

    Quote Originally Posted by 2DSick View Post
    I find it odd that whenever I voice my concern about constant rules churn, people can't help but try and tell me I'm wrong to think so....
    Well that's personal taste. I don't think 3 years is constant change. As noted, the core rules are free, the only rules you might 'need' to buy (if you intend to play tournaments, etc) is the General's Handbook, which has always been a yearly release, and started more than a year ago, so raging about it seems silly and pointless.

    Most of the things they've hinted at coming, varying movement ranges, removing the option to fire out of close combat, etc where all things people saw in 8th edition Warhammer 40,000 and immediately wanted for Age of Sigmar. Now they're adding them... what am I suppose to be annoyed about? New models? Adding movement ranges, modifiers, etc? I'd be more annoyed if there was a negative to this...
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    Re: Age of Sigmar "The new Edition"

    The negative is obviously that you have to relearn the rules every so often. But I guess when you're a GW/40k fan then you're so accustomed to this ritual that it doesn't register as an inconvenience anymore.

    Another negative is the danger of splitting the community, again. I remember when AoS first came out it was heralded as the second coming of wargaming, because "GOSH it haz only 4 paiges of rulz DUUUUDE". So it was clearly superior to the venerable BRB of 512 pages, no? Everyone who called themselves AoS fans praised the concise simplicity of the rules. Now when you start adding in fancy Magic, additional movement rules, additional firing rules etc. this thing is going to put on pages real fast. Actually it has already happened with the oodles of supplements, campaigns, handbooks, new factions, tournament play, you name it, that are far too confusing to keep track of. Due to popular request they're now doing world building. They're adding actual background to a Fantasy game, who would have thought of this! They bring back ALL of the old characters, even the dead ones! Pour on the pages.

    The point is, after three years, when I look at AoS, I'm not seeing what was promised and celebrated back then. What I see taking on form now is a poor (not in monetary terms though) man's Warhammer with decidedly inferior background, gameplay and cohesion. Was it really worth blowing up the world for this? Ask Warhammer fans what they want and of course they'll tell you to make the game more Warhammer-y. I wonder how much of this early new Edition is actually damage control and trying to get some of the old folks back. Of course for every WHFB fan you gain you lose one AoS fan, or so I would presume.
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    Re: Age of Sigmar "The new Edition"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Life Form View Post
    Ask Warhammer fans what they want and of course they'll tell you to make the game more Warhammer-y. I wonder how much of this early new Edition is actually damage control and trying to get some of the old folks back. Of course for every WHFB fan you gain you lose one AoS fan, or so I would presume.
    You can't make the game more Warhammer-y... it doesn't have square-bases or a ranking up system, which is the crucial part of what seperated WHFB from WH40K. It's why when all the doomsayers were warning GW would come after 40K next and AoS-fy it, it happened and there was barely a murmur - because what they did was make their new fantasy setting using a streamlined version of 40K's 2nd edition rules. You can't 40K-ify 40K, it already is.

    It's the same with any update to AoS. Short of completely revamping it with square-bases to implement a front/sides/back system, it can't really mesh with the older system.
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    Re: Age of Sigmar "The new Edition"

    Now that ULF mentioned it, was AoS not supposed to be the best since sliced bread (or Finecast TM ), never needing a new version. It feels more and more like Fantasy was abused as a test balloon for a smooth 40k transition.

    Bringing all the old characters back and all that is just lazy. More background is always nice, when done well. AoS feels like a single disc on repeat: souls souls souls ...

    EDIT: the bonus track early on was gold gold gold ...
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    Re: Age of Sigmar "The new Edition"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Life Form View Post
    And that despite the fact that only a fraction of the range have been updated from WHFB. What of the human factions, for crying out loud?
    The Stormcast Eternals? I mean I gather they're unpopular, but we've got zero guarantee anything else 'human' is coming...
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    Re: Age of Sigmar "The new Edition"

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Star View Post
    The Stormcast Eternals? I mean I gather they're unpopular, but we've got zero guarantee anything else 'human' is coming...
    I suppose if they were unpopular they wouldn't have so many new releases all the time. Grumpy internet moaners aside, apparently AoS is doing well, and, in that light, Stormcasts must be doing great.
    ANd that's why they blew up the world, people: to make money.

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    Are Stormcast not heroes from all races? Closest to human is Chaos.
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    Re: Age of Sigmar "The new Edition"

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Joe View Post
    Are Stormcast not heroes from all races? Closest to human is Chaos.
    We have literally no idea. They're still too 'new'. They could all be put into a specialist chamber which we haven't seen yet, or unit type, etc. A good example is to consider when Stormcast were first released, we didn't even have unhelmeted heads; now we've got dozens. Neeve Blacktalon was the first female Stormcast Eternal we saw, now there are several scattered throughout the ranks of the upcoming miniatures.

    One of the points I was very vocal about was the bad direction with the first Stormcast Eternal miniatures we got and the snippets of lore. The background made it very clear they were basically 'humans' from a range of cultures, genders and time periods, united by the fact they fought to defend the Mortal Realms. Sigmar basically 'stole' their souls and resurrected them to be his near-immortal super-soldiers in his war against the Ruinous Powers. They were "fantasy Space Marines" but the archetype was reversed; Space Marines take very young recruits, indoctrinate them, perform torture-surgery, weed out the weak and the remaining becomes tools to maintain a crumbling galactic empire. They're basically faceless in that they're a tool of the Imperium, covered by a visor, and when one dies, the armour and gene-seed is passed on to another recruit, making each -just- a link in defensive-chain.

    Stormcast Eternals are more of the idea "what if Conan the Barbarian, Red Sonja, Sinbad the Sailor, etc were suddenly summoned to fight together in an army by the God Odin to defend Yggdrasil...". They're supposed to each be very individual.

    https://youtu.be/Q9daI6m4KsM

    Edit: I mean, we've known about the Warrior Chambers (the first stuff we got), Exemplar and Harbinger Chambers, the Vanguard Auxiliary Chamber and the Extremis Chamber. We've now got the Sacrosanct Chamber open.

    That just leaves us the Ruination Chamber, Covenant Chamber and Logister Chamber. Oh, and the Valedictor Temple...
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    Re: Age of Sigmar "The new Edition"

    The Sigmarines are listed as human on the GW site but I don't see them as humans. I mean they're about twice the size. More like Ogres maybe? Technically they're undead. Or at least reborn as something else. Souls of the dead swept from Nagash, infused with Sigmar's god-stuff and squeezed into oversized armors to do his bidding. If the Sigmarines are human then Chaos is a human faction by the same token. And I think this is not your typical connotation of "human".

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Star View Post
    We have literally no idea. They're still too 'new'.
    That is what I see as AoS's and GW's biggest downfall and failure. I mean they introduce a new faction as the poster child of their new game and 3 years later still no one doesn't know what their deal is. 3 years is not new. I expected GW to fill in the blanks over time but they were more interested in churning out more and more of these anonymous automatons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Life Form View Post
    I mean they introduce a new faction as the poster child of their new game and 3 years later still no one doesn't know what their deal is. 3 years is not new. I expected GW to fill in the blanks over time but they were more interested in churning out more and more of these anonymous automatons.
    I'm not sure what "still no one doesn't know what their deal is" as a complaint means. Their deal is mortal warriors recruited to celestial battle host to drive back Chaos. Everything else will be something will or will not reveal in time. Even in WHFB, things changed or were left vague so more could be added later. When they first showed up, the Giant Scorpions in the Tomb Kings list were just that - giant scorpions. Then they became tomb constructs with skull-bodies, etc. Necrosphinx and Hierotitan were supposedly always there but didn't show up in the first iteration of the army.

    I think GW has made a definite improvement with the Stormcast Eternals. People said making them faceless and identical was a bad choice - now they have bare heads, tabards and other details. People suggested female Stormcast would help separate them from just being fantasy Space Marines. Now we've got female Stormcast Eternals.
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    Well they're new. New stuff always sells. The Sigmarines have the distinct advantage that there weren't tons of them in circulation already. That's why they're pushing them so heavily.

    Who else is heavily featured in AoS? Our old friend Khorne of course. Khorne has always been a guarantor for high sales and seems to finally have eclipsed all the other gods. It's telling that they all but squatted Slaanesh and replaced him with the Great Horned Rat of all people. What do Khorne and Skaven have in common? Hmmmm..... wait, I think I remember.... Oh yes, crazy popularity.

    But who wants to play filthy old humans or non-sexy Elves? Nah, let's just ignore them altogether.

    One thing I find interesting though is that Orcs have been treated pretty badly lately. O&G were another of those top sellers but they didn't get anything new or much screen time in the End Times and ever since they've taken a back seat. They were clumped together with Ogres where they now rot as the arguably most boring Alliance in AoS. Green smash.....

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    Re: Age of Sigmar "The new Edition"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Life Form View Post
    Well they're new.
    They were new three years ago, this is not valid anymore. And even if it still applied... so what? That still makes them big sellers.
    As for Slaanesh, apparently, they're building up to reintroduce him/her. S/he was in the only short story I've read from their Malign Portent thingy, actually.
    It feels like they're just randomly releasing stuff, if you ask me, according to the whims of the moment. Muchos whims goes into stormcasts and Khorne indeed for now, but there's been other things. If you put all the elves together by WFB kinds (daughters of Khaine + deepkin guys for instance), that makes quite a big range, bigger than any DE release, well, ever. Even separated, it's true, actually.
    Well, whatever, the numbers are the numbers, whatever the reasons, and whether you like it or not.

    Anyway, yeah, obviously the plan is to rotate and phase out minis, which is rather sound in an economical way I guess. That means I'll go broke if they do other Warhammer Legend releases with, say, TK plastics. Gods...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urgat View Post
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    Anyway, yeah, obviously the plan is to rotate and phase out minis, which is rather sound in an economical way I guess. That means I'll go broke if they do other Warhammer Legend releases with, say, TK plastics. Gods...
    Any new releases we have seen so far are for old metals (dark elves and 40k stuff). Did we even see Finecast? Legends seems to be a system to flog the last money from old molds they are still storing. Basically destroying them to free up space.
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