Ok, so what happened after the 3rd War of Armageddon. Are they still fighting against WAAAGHs, intent of their doom to take down as many Orks as possible, or have they survived against the odds, now a broken and beaten Chapter, but rebuilding?
I want to make an army of them, but I'm not sure if it's fluffy.
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Originally Posted by Jerok
As far as I'm aware, the Lions are all but dead. I think there's less than a company left and they have no Apothecaries.
Of course, now the rest of the Adeptus Astartes REALLY have a good reason to distrust the Inquisition.
--TR
As far as I know, they were pretty much all killed. There may well be a few remnants of the Chapter still roaming the galaxy, perhaps trying to continue their mission to bring the atrocities of the Inquisition to Terra. It would make a really cool character for Inquisitor.
I believe there are 90 Celestial Lions left (less than a full Company) with no Apothecaries alive or any specialist that has the knowledge to implant the zygotes and organs into potential Space Marines. Therefore, unless they stop fighting (unlikely) or train new Apothecaries without any experience to draw from (not so unlikely, but would be an uphill slog at best, impossible at worst) they will eventually die out.
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What did the inquisition do to them?
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There was a rather good thread about this before.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6802
The consensus seems to be that the Inquisition got Vindicare snipers to take out the CLs Apothecaries during combat against the Orks, or at the very least leaked information to the orks about their wherabouts.
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set sail for lols
http://www.armageddon3.com/English/C...ps/clions.html
Since they all swore to die on Armageddon, any that did survive the war would have done so despite themselves, in the same sort of vein as the Trollslayers in Fantasy, and would probably be anguished at surviving. Still, a Space Marine is ever the Emperor's divine instrument...
funny.. you beat me to it.
its also implied they not only set up the apothecaries, but the entire chapter
Basically the Inquisition did some things that the Celestial Lions thought over stepped their boundaries (as if the Inquisition have any) and were an abuse of power. An envoy of Lions attempted to take their case to Terra about it but failed.
Then Armageddon 3 erupted. The Inquisition ordered the Chapter to Armageddon. Not a company or two like other Chapters sent but the Chapter. And put them in warzones where the odds of survival were minimal at best, none at worst.
And 'Ork' sniper fire managed to kill every one of the Apothecaries (and apparently all their apprentices and the rest as well... an oversight of GW that a Chapter doesn't have 10 Apothecaries and that's it. It's like a hospital)
Any details that are inaccurate feel free to clear up, been a long time since I've read the article.
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One would assume some survived Armageddon. Although if the Inquisition was really trying to wipe them out, they'd probably have organised for most of the Chapter's Battle Barges, Strike Cruisers and escorts to meet their end in the battle above Armageddon. Follow that up with a surgical strike on the CL's Fortress Monastery/Homeworld while they were away...
They'd be pretty fooked.
Three ideas for what's happened to them now:
1) The remains of the Chapter, on board the remains of their Fleet, found the remains of their homeworld, thought 'sod this' and went into hiding to lick their wounds, waiting for a time to strike out at either (a) the Inquisition or (b) come to rescue some Imperial world/sector dramatically and reclaim their honour.
2) The survivors made their way to another Chapter (Dark Angels, they don't like the =][= much either...?) and joined with that chapter, harbouring their grudges in silence.
3) They got REALLY upset, one of the Chaos Gods got wind of it, and found them ripe for corruption. They're now Chaos Marines and live in the Eye.
Willing to believe that the Fleet was led into some pretty suicidal engagements as well, just wasn't put to paper by GW. Otherwise the Chapter, that now has a strong hatred against the Inquisition (which could possibly turn into a general Imperial-hatred, linking with the possible-corruption theory) would have a powerful fleet asset from which they could use to strike back.
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It would be nice to think that they survived and are being aided by one of the less inqisitor friendly chapters like the wolves. As that would make a better book.
But any sort of storyline would be a good book
- Celestial lions becomming one of those chapters excommunicated but still loyal (becuase logically thats what happened, the inqisitor could really say "your out because you didnt agree with us." its not like they have 3 eyes or anything)
-Theirs the turning to chaos route
-Theirs the surviving but the 96 or so space marines going on a secret crusade picking of inqisition members (That would make a nice book)
Well any idea would make a nice series of books, hmmm i remember having a point earlier :S
I'm using the Crimson Fist traits given in the Space Marine Codex to represent them, so what has been discussed in that older thread (Chapter survived, if just barely with one or two companies worth of Marines, a mix of those who fought on the ground and those on the Chapter ships) seems to fit well.
So, according to the background, the Chapter has suffered great loses but isn't destroyed and can rebuild from geneseed they have back at the Chapter Fortress. Wherever that is.
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I was under the impression that when new chapters are founded, members of their parent chapter are present to aid the founding to provide the necessities experience and training, among other things.
If this is the case, I could see the Celestial Lions going to another chapter with their plight and borrowing an Apothecary or three to assist in training one of their own, in turn passing on the knowledge they learn and slowly rebuilding.
Papa Bear
i imagine the survivors went on a revenge mission against the Inquistion
and i thought there was 47 left like the 47 Ronin
since when could the Inquistion order a full chapter to fight? SM Chapters are autonimous (sp) and can decide to fight, when, where and how they like?
i always thought the Inquistion could request a SM Force/chapter responds/goes to a war zone, but surly a Chapter could just say NO???
That depends. Many Chapters have sworn blood oaths to agencies and individuals in the Imperial hierarchy, including inquisitors. Space Marines aren't bound merely by their own whims, but by a complex network of obligations, the balancing of which is the prime duty of the Chapter Master. Sacrificing the Chapter to fulfil a sacred honour vow may be entirely in character with some Chapters.
R.
i can't get on the armageddon 3 website but as i remember it they were lured by the Inquistion into commiting the whole chapter but then most chapters were up for a full committment anyway
I did think it rather strange, though, that the Chapter was flat out ordered to Armageddon. Considering the Relictors' behaviour in Armageddon, or the Dark Angels in the Eye of Terror campaign...
Still, there's every possibility that Imperial command over the Adeptus Astartes is a theoretical concept rather than one in practice, and that it was pulled in full force against the Celestial Lions as an exceptional circumstance.
Also, the Iron Champions (Possibly a Chapter using the geneseed of the Iron Hands) had 7 Companies sent to the same Hive, so it's possible that they've helped the Celestial Lions.
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