Chaos Marine Rumours/Army Deal

[bigred]

Some lingering outstanding questions for those in the know:

Chaos Havocs:
Do they retain the same weapon options (melta/flamer/plasma - heavybolter/autocannon/missile launcher/lascannon)? Anything added or lost there?

Reaper Autocannon:
Same weapon stats or improved? We have heard that only 1 is allowed per squad now.

-bigred

[Bolter Bait]

On a related note - hmm. Seems the Kai Gun still exists, but is now Tzeentch-aligned. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

IIRC, doesn't the kai gun shoot manifestations of the wielders raw spite and malice? I know that it was made by some enslaved race before being eliminated and as far as I can tell, Tzneetch had nothing to do with them, but shooting psychic bolts of hatred sounds rather up Tzneetch's warped alley. From the way I interpret it, a kai gun basically shoots inferno bolts only without requiring an actual bullet.

Even still, at least you can rejoice knowing that Mojo can keep his equipment when you promote him to a Lord or Sorcerer.

i hope the layout for reaper AC's in termie squads remain.

As was said in the old, bloated and off-track thread and included in the summary in the first post, Terminators can only have a single reaper autocannon (with no mention of the other heavy weapons) and there is no mention of the RAC getting a boost (to which I say "Pfah!" - I don't even play Chaos and that seems to be an overly heavy-handed reduction).

Re: Rumour of the ID-causing Slaneesh daemon weapon - I'm holding my breath on it. Synapse makes Tyranids both completely immune to ID regardless of source and auto-pass ANY Ld test other than TP and Psychic Tests. So if the weapon's special rule is worded like the direswords, or it just says that it inflicts ID, Tyranids in Synapse will be immune (and I'll laugh while waggling my acid maw). If it is worded like force weapons or the old plague weapons (anyone else finding it a little odd that Nurgle loses plagueweapons but Slaneesh mught pick up one?), then I'll cry a little (just a little) and then get over it and adapt.

[malisteen]

Even still, at least you can rejoice knowing that Mojo can keep his equipment when you promote him to a Lord or Sorcerer.

Actually, my current plan is to call Mojo an undivided Sorcerer. I'll paint some runes on his power sickle to make it a force weapon, and I'll leave the gun the same and call it Doombolt.

If daemonic mutation doesn't exist anymore, I may have that mechanical chainsword arm represent the Warp Time power as well. I'm not sure, yet, I'll have to see the book.

As it is, I'm not at all worried about Mojo. And the generic greater daemon rules may encourage me to finally finish modeling Him as well. Here's hoping the upcoming Daemonica codex will be able to represent all of my PPG conversion plans. If so, I may actually get around to finishing more of that stuff after the codex is released.


Of course, with the show canceled years ago, I doubt it will have the impact that it once might have had....

[malisteen]

(to which I say "Pfah!" - I don't even play Chaos and that seems to be an overly heavy-handed reduction)

Assault cannons are broken in space marine armies! Therefore, nerf Reaper Autocannons in chaos marine armies!


Seriously, that confuses me as well. RAC's were barely worth taking in pairs. Just one with the current rules for the gun would be downright pointless.

[Bolter Bait]

Ah, a question I just thought of regarding the Tzneetch-dedicated Daemon Weapon/Kai Gun: would it be keeping with the theme of both Tzneetch = crap combat AND the D6 attacks for daemon weapons - meaning a Str 4 or 5, Ap 3 storm bolter with D6 shots, though on a 1 rolled for # of shots, it bites the hand that feeds it? That might make it worth taking instead of a psychic power (speculated Kai Gun for anti-infantry work vs doom bolt for anti-tank work).

[Jared Blyte]

been lurking a long while, i am a regular at dg.org and heresy

i dont like whats happening here, ok, the new fluff makes sense, over time the 10,000 year old war vets will be phasing out, and the spikey smurfs start to make a scene.

but the way gw has represented it (cults as troops only and killing off all of the legions) has completely obliterated chaos

not to mention killing off the fluff, sacred numbers and ancient enemies to be precise

i will be starting a new chaos army if this happens: sons of malice, which are basically going to be the renegades (which they are, renegades since the 13th black crusade, which aint all that long ago...) so i'll be making them look rather clean cut and non culty (no marks whatsoever) this is to keep in check at least a little bit of fluff, before armies of thousand sons and death guard marching along side world eater havocs with lascannons led by a slaanesh daemon prince start turning up ()

september: the month that chaos died

jared

[Lord Icklebum]

Well that was a bit melodramatic.

Seriously, as the top of the thread mentions, try to keep the apocalyptic gripes about the "Death of Chaos" in the proper channels.

Here's a crazy thought, let's actually wait until we have the codex in our grubby little mitts before declaring it the worst codex ever.

Remember, these are as always: Rumours.

And as a Chaos player myself, I'm rather excited to see how this all turns out, as I've actually enjoyed the new GW direction and rather liked the DA and Eldar codexes.

So let's just all keep all that doom and gloom off the forums at least until the book hits and it's well-deserved. Please?


Oh, and for the record: Death Guard with Toughness 5 AND Feel No Pain? Nasty!

[Worsle]

*sigh* It is not like certain chaos armies are known for fielding a complete mix of units is it? No one has ever heard of the black legion having all of the chaos units marking together now have we?

it is almost as if people are incapable of making an army the follows their fluff unless GW tells them exatly what to do and how they should do it...

[warchild9]

I only have a couple of words to say BRING ME MY CHAOS TERMIES...and a new Abaddon model please

[Babbey]

After scanning through it all, I'm wondering...
It's been confirmed that there are god-specific mounts, but is there a *generic* deamon mount still that gives fleet and +1T?

With all the rumors of "generic" deamons and the supposed removal of d.speed, I'd be surprised(and a bit saddened) if the generic deamon steed is gone.

[The Dude]

Told me that Lords have just as much choice as before if not a little more.

But… how is that possible if the page with the options on it doesn’t say “Armoury” at the top? I’m confused. No, the only possible explanation is that they don’t actually have any choice. That’s it…

Well, the rumours are shaping up to be interesting. Especially the Daemon Weapons. Did I read Wraithlord's summary right, as an extra 2d6 attacks for a Khorne Lord is somewhat ... excessive? Unless his basic Attacks characteristic is replaced by 2d6, in a manner of a slightly more evil Crushing Claws-style thing. Still, that's a lot of attacks, and quite harsh if Daemon Weapons do indeed ignore Armour Saves.

Just to clarify, does the “does nothing” result come up if a single 1 is rolled on EITHER of the D6 for the Khorne Daemon Weapon?

After scanning through it all, I'm wondering...
It's been confirmed that there are god-specific mounts, but is there a *generic* deamon mount still that gives fleet and +1T?

It's called a bike

[animal64]

I wonder when we will get a chance to see some of the new mini's; i really hope there is a new abbadon i think his old mini is alittle underwhelming, and old (i remember buying it when i first started 40k, about 8 years ago). We going to have to wait until the baltimore GD?

[violenceha]

I take it the bezerkers in the army deal will be new and they won't still be flogging off those old plastics? I'm thinking them being a unit of 12 in the army box means it's still the old ones

[Hellebore]

But… how is that possible if the page with the options on it doesn’t say “Armoury” at the top? I’m confused. No, the only possible explanation is that they don’t actually have any choice. That’s it…

Groan.... oh god, The Dude not YOU too!!! Run, flee, get away from the pit of irrationality toward the light of reason on the train of logic before you too are shriveled into a husk of misplaced bitterness

It's called a bike

tsk, tsk Dude. That's called Counts As - you know that Counts As is the work of the devil himself right? You'll go blind if you use Counts As - it makes baby Jesus cry


Hellebore

[Dread Lime]

I'm taking a wait and see attitude, though if the new CSM Codex is as boring as it sounds I may just go back to playing Tau or simply give 40k a rest for awhile.

[Nabeshin1106]

Hmm... I was getting pretty excited for the new chaos dex, but if these rumors are anywhere near accurate, I think I'm just going to pass. The biggest turn off is the generic daemons. I would have been fine with a generic statline that you could give a mark to, but this is a bit much. Maybe I'll just hold off until they release the rumored daemons codex.

[malisteen]

If Daemons are a big part of your army, I wouldn't blame you.

[Kaoslord]

All of this sounds relatively plausible, with the one exception of the Posessed going back to randomly generated powers. It was said the last time they redid the 'dex that they wanted the unit to NOT be utterly impossible to model so that what you see is what you get. That one point seems like a vast step backwards, and I'll only believe it when the Codex is in my hands....

[Marshal2Crusaders]

IIRC JJ in a previous post or some other forum is updating CHaos so that if they can make time after all the other necessary Codex updates they can release Codex World Eater, so on and so forth. Or hell if the BWhite Dwarf Blood Angel thing works they could shoot out a new style mini-dex that way. Really Tactics are great but in my growing maturity in the hobby models are what moves it for me, and if I think that the new Chaos has gone to far down the road of the new possessed marine models then I shal be sticking to all things Powered armor on the imperial side.

(Thinks of long held idea of building Blood Angels.....)

[Dooks Dizzo]

Question about possessed.

Is it possible that they will be good enough to be worth fielding BEFORE you roll on the table?

Say they were S5 with a 3+/5+ AND the rending USR (talons) and then you made a roll on the table to see what they manisfested for a round?

I know if that were the case, I would have to slide a termie squad over to make room for them.