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    Dicky does: Night Goblins

    Hello everyone.

    This all feels very liberating, I just finished my degree, my marine army is nearing completion and, not only am I starting a new project log for a new army, it's a whole new game system for me (expect for a light touch on WFB years back).

    And so it begins. I have always loved Orcs and Goblins (and Orks for that matter) and when I was moving house I found all these old Night Goblins of mine and, after bouncing some ideas wildly off McMullet and a firm love for the new, tinier Night Goblins I set about starting an all new army.

    I wrote a full 2000pt list which I will build smaller armies from until the full 2000pts. The list is to give me some structure to the army more than anything as I don't play much but WFB seems like a more intelligent game so I'm quite excited about giving it a try.

    I love the new Night Goblin plastics and it's been fun to have something new to fiddle with. Although Night Goblins are great, an all Night Goblin army just doesn't have enough variety and so I'm going to make just a Goblin army, but one where every Goblin looks suspiciously like a Night Goblin!

    Here are the beginnings of the army as it is now. Just the first tentative baby steps into this new project. It s a Goblin horde so I want it to look disorganised and that it looks like a whole collection of individual units under one warlord. That is why most units have a boss, he's handy for an extra attack, but also each unit looks like it is following it's own leader rather than following the warlord himself. What will help achieve this is making subtle themes for alot of the units, that way they appear like each unit is individual but all united by the colour scheme.

    Speaking of colour schemes, although I don't have a test mini done yet, these Night Gobbos will be wearing grubby white robes. I was going to paint this by spraying a bone undercoat over and then multiple washes for shading and then highlighted up again. It should be a quick method to paint in bulk and a different colour scheme will set these Night Goblins apart from the norm. Then Sigur thought of a fluff reason to justify it: they live in the tunnels beneath a Dwarf stronghold so the Goblins wear white robes and some paint their faces because they think it makes them looks like ghosts to the Dwarfs. That is why they also will be carrying stolen dwarf gear like the odd, smaller, pieces off armour and standards decorated with the, occasional, Dwarf kill some Gobbos make. There will be Red or Blue accents on their robes to possibly complement a clan name. Something like: Stoneshade / Madskull / Ironlurker / Darkrant / Crimson Moon, Bleeding Moon/Bleeding Crescent, Blue Moon. Blue Moon clan could be funny, as in Goblins win and don't run away once in a blue moon, hehe.

    Anyway, enough with the pictureless waffle!

    I gave the small wolf rider regiment bows just for variety really, they are only 1pt each and they might find a use for them to harry passing war machines or whatever! It was more just for the theme of a group of mounted hunters/trappers.

    These guys will be dressed in the skins of their recent kills. But the sort of thing that Goblins can kill -squigs/snotlings/sheep/hedgehogs. They will wear the skins and have some other kills strapped across the backs of their steeds with all their equipment - spears, arrow quivers, tatty bedrolls and so on.

    Heavier armed shield Wold Riders accompanying Boss wearing a ragged collection of plate and mail armour both plundered from dwarves and home made. Acting as the Wolf Boss’ honour guard, but just Goblins getting jumped up as usual because Goblins don't have any heavy cavalry, but they will be handy with a flank charge. The wolves will also have crude barding made from small plates of metal strapped to their wolves and laced into the fur.


    This guy still needs lots of work, I have only mapped out the initial shape of just his breastplate so far. It will need a raised edge around the bottoms as well as some shoulderpads and barding on the wolf too.

    The last regiment will just look like more normal Goblins I think (unless anyone has a neat theme idea) :


    Here is the first of the three big Night Gobbo regiments:

    Well, it's only the first half really. I will also furnish them with some regiment bases when I get hold of some. This way I can make some fun squabbles to be happening in the midst of each regiment. Other than that conversions will be kept to the front rank and the command group, although my marines were all converted I don't have a death wish to do the same with this army!
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    Re: Dicky does: Night Goblins

    Continued (curse you picture limit!) :

    Here's some close-ups of some minis in this regiment.

    Boss:


    Musician:

    Most of the WFB armies I have seen just have musicians that are holding/waving their instruments, I wanted to make one that was clearly playing his well, as a Goblin he is just furiously bashing away at that gong. Which was quite easy with just a creative use of parts on the sprue - I'm impressed by quite ho wflexible it can be!

    Standard Bearer:

    With the skull and old mail of a Dwarf killed. That was the first time I had sculpted chainmail - I think it came out okay but i need to cut into it to tatter the edges a bit more and will paint it with rusted patches.

    I don't like the sculpted shields Goblins have, especially as you now don't even have a choice to leave the shield bosses off! So I'm grinding them all down and all the shields will have a wood grain like this mini.

    This one was just a quick, initial test. The Wolf Riders with shields will probably have a bad looking metal buckler as a shield and maybe the occasional Dwaven shield.
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    I'm not sure about the bases. The ones in the regiment have a cobbled plasticard used on the front rank, but I did try another method:

    I bevelled the edges of some plasticard to make it look like big hewn stone slabs, very suitable for a Dwarf hold thought I. But I think I actually prefer the cobbles, it's quicker too. Does the added height on the base look alright? I wasn't sure if I should just drop the height of the bases before gluing down the plasticard but that seems like it will needlessly add time to it all.

    Anyway, this is the very beginning of a new army. More to follow when I have some spare time (I'm pretty busy with some exhibitions at the moment!).

    Comments and criticism always welcome.
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    Re: Dicky does: Night Goblins

    Those look sweet m8! I like the idea that so far it's all NG.
    I'm not too much into regular gobbo's (except for the new hero models).

    As I just started painting NG's as well I can't wait to see these models painted and well! And btw, those bases look sweet.
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    Dicky does Night Goblins well.

    Dicky should check out the Tale of four painters thread in general painting logs and come and join in.

    Loved your preamble. How about The Haunted Moon tribe. Or The Ghost Moons.
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    Re: Dicky does: Night Goblins

    looking cool, i was thinkin of goblin army myself so i shall keep a close beady eye on this for likely looking ideas (and then yoink them!) lol

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    Re: Dicky does: Night Goblins

    Excellent, Dicky does Fantasy! Welcome to the dark side.

    I love all the Wolf Rider conversions, the ones you've done are entertaining and I look forward to the others.

    I think you've hit the right balance with the regular the Night Gobbo conversions, just a few here and there with the rest being stock seems sensible. Those shields should be easy to do. One thing, I reckon that Dwarf torso looks a bit featureless at the moment - it could do with a couple of armour plates or maybe a cloak or something. Just a bit of detail to make it look a bit less like a flat.

    I think the cobbled bases look fine. They look good, won't take too much time and they don't look too high (of course the last thing you want to do is make those wee gobbos look taller. ).

    By the way, the home-made movement tray is very clever.

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    Re: Dicky does: Night Goblins

    Very nice models there, fantastic conversions as always.

    I would stick to the cobbled bases.

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    Excellent conversions so far, especially those really weedy wolf riders.
    Consider me addicted to this blog already.

    You might want to take a closer look at:

    6 [Night] Goblin Wolf Riders w. Spears & Short Bows 102pts
    Musician – Boss

    8 [Night] Goblin Wolf Riders w. Spears 122pts
    Musician - Boss

    9 [Night] Goblin Wolf Riders w. Spears & Shields 156pts
    Standard Bearer - Musician - Boss

    4 Snotling Bases 80pts
    I'd drop the two fast cavalry wolf rider mobz down to five models with only a musician, no Boss. Their job is to divert and annoy enemy troops and they will inevitably die, so keeping them cheap is good. The Boss and extra wolves will do nothing to improve these mobz, they only make them give up more victory points. Having a musician is very useful though, for feigned flee tricks and for the odd chance when you charge a war machine and the combat ends in a draw (Goblins ey ).
    The mob with spears and shields can do with more bodies - "heavy cavalry"-style Wolf Riders are actually quite good in close combat, but 9 wolves and a wolf-riding big boss are still quite a fragile mob. I find 15 wolves a good compromise between punch (with a banner, (Big) Boss, two ranks and outnumbering against many units) and manouvrability (big units tend to get problems with difficult terrain).

    And I'd split the Snotling herd in two small mobz of two bases. Their main use is "stalling deployment" (where you put lots of cheap, expendable stuff on the table at first while your opponent will hopefully have to deploy better stuff) and they are also good at hiding in a wood for six turns and claiming/denying that table quarter (which two small units can do twice as good as one big unit, and your opponent will have to choose between spending attention to dealing with two small worthless units, or dealing with your real army).
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    Re: Dicky does: Night Goblins

    Looking great so far Dicky - welcome to the other side ... Some great conversions!

    Can we expect to see these at the next Carnage?

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    Cool looking conversions! As for the cobbled resin, I've seen it before and don't think it'd be too tall. Honestly, I don't imagine dwarven holds having a whole bunch of cobbled areas, but maybe the under areas of the hold are like that (you know, where the Ironbreakers go to kill off gobbers anyway)?

    Your standard with the dead dwarf IS quite original, but that chain looks a little off... Personally, I'd add a tattered tunic over the top to make it not look so much like a blob of GS stuck on a stick. Also, if you twist your knife a little while making the chain mail, it'll both make the holes a little bigger (more in-scale) along with faking the twist that real chain has.

    Anyway, cool looking stuff! Looking forward to seeing the little guys painted up.

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    Re: Dicky does: Night Goblins

    OOOoh yea, this is gonna be great

    Already loving it.

    Just a quick remark,

    If your lord has a toughness of 4, and only an armour save of 5+ with 3 wounds,..

    It will be dead in turn 2 !
    You might want to arm him with the big best boss' at ( if thats what its called ) to give you a 5+ ward save as well. Increases your chances of survival alot..
    An effigy of mork ( -1 to hit ) might work as well, I would replace the kickin boots with the effigy.

    But thats just me.. So do what you want
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    Hello again everyone,
    Thanks for all your kind comments.

    I have signed up for the Tale of Four Painters (or is it the Tale of 40 Painters now?) as it has a nice achievable monthly goal and should be good to motivate me to finish this army that is five times bigger than my marines in nice, easy stages.

    I doubt I will be bringing these Night Gobbos to Carnage Jedi, I doubt I'll have them done by then and even if I did I don't think i will have picked up WFB by then! Whereas I picked up 40k over the weekend at the Carnage Social I can't really get away with that in a fantasy tournie! So it is bound to be my (then fully finished) marines with me I should think.

    Anyway, back to the gobbos. When I said comments and criticism I didn't mean just for the models, so thanks for all the tips about the army composition too (which I know nothing much about other than choosing things I like the look of and fit a lose theme). I have revised the army list a little now to take into account the good ideas that were fielded (thanks Squiggoth and Zodiac!). One of the Wolf regiments still has a boss, but just to carry the theme of individual small warbands under one banner. A group of five foragers (the other small wolf regiment) wouldn't have any need for a boss though to go out hunting!.

    Lord: 466pts

    Night Goblin Warboss 158pts
    w. Light Armour & Enchanted Shield [ 5+ Armour save ]
    Martog's Best Basha [ +1WS/+1S/+1I ]
    Warboss Umm’s Best Boss Hat [ 5+ Ward save ]
    Tricksy Trinket [ Any models in B2B can’t take ward saves ]


    [B]Heroes:

    Night Goblin Battle Standard Bearer 107pts
    w. Hand Weapon & Light Armour
    & The Raggedy Banner [ Re-Roll Panic within 12" ]

    [Night] Goblin BigBoss 101pts
    w. Light Armour, Shield & Wolf
    Backstabber Blade [ Poison Attacks +1S Flank/+2S Rear Charge]
    Spiteful Shield [ Enemy receives S5 hit for each 1 rolled to hit ]

    Night Goblin [lvl 1] Shaman 100pts
    w. Hand Weapon
    Staff of Sneaky Stealin' [ Gain a Dispel Die from enemy Power Die ]


    Core: 987pts

    30 Night Goblins w. Spears & Shields 225pts
    Nets - Standard Bearer – Musician - Boss
    2 Fanatics

    30 Night Goblins w. Hand Weapons & Shields 152pts
    Musician - Boss
    2 Fanatics

    30 Night Goblins w. Hand Weapons & Shields 145pts
    Nets - Standard Bearer - Musician - Boss

    5 [Night] Goblin Wolf Riders w. Spears & Short Bows 76pts
    Musician

    5 [Night] Goblin Wolf Riders w. Spears 83pts
    Musician - Boss

    14 [Night] Goblin Wolf Riders w. Spears & Shields 226pts
    Standard Bearer - Musician - Boss
    Wolf Big Boss Attached

    2 Snotling Bases 40pts
    2 Snotling Bases 40pts


    Special: 340pts

    Night Goblin Squig Herd 90pts
    3 Hunting Teams

    Night Goblin Squig Herd 60pts
    2 Hunting Teams

    8 Squig Hoppers 120pts

    2 Spear Chukkas 70pts


    Rare: 200pts

    Snotling Pump Wagon 40pts

    4 Trolls 160pts

    1993 pts

    I made some corrections to the list of stuff that was just wrong, changed some of the equipment (like giving my lord a better ward and armour save and also sucked up some more points by a slightly smaller squig herd. They just look too much fun and two regiments with the hoppers as well should be able to (at least sporadically) hold a flank. I think that's the best that you can manage with Gobbos!

    The lists isn't in a .pdf form yet as I havn't thought of any names yet. I want all the bosses to have really over the top melodramatic names, 'Lord of the Lower Drainage Tunnels' and other such names in the same vein. I think it will be funny as it is Gobbos suitably jumped up as they would be without Orcs in the same room and works with the concept that ach regiment is led by its own leader, almost oblivious to the fact that there is a warlord above their boss in an unknown hierarchy! I liked the Ghost Moon Tribe as a name Harry, thanks for that one. I just couldn't really think of anything! I just need to write some more background around that. Pick a Dwarf hold and so on. I pictured the Dwarven Strongholds to be huge caverns and tunnel networks all made from stone, which is why I was thinking cobbles/stone slabs for bases, really.

    I'd agree with the comments about the standard bearer too. It was the first time I have sculpted chainmail and I thought it came out a bit dodgy and sparse (I should have done a smaller patch so I would have had the motivation to do all the closely spaced holes that were needed!). The photos only exacerbate that. The cloak is a good idea, I thought I would sculpt a long tattered tabbard over it. That way it will obscure much of both sides, I like sculpting cloth and I can paint it in Dwarven colours but with some crude daubed Goblin symbol or motif.

    Seems the cobbled bases are far away away the most popular, which is good as they are the easiest. I thought there is alot of potential in them as I can subtly alter stuff and have some more fun on war machines bases. Pity I don't think a stone thrower is a suitable in a tunnel like this, because I thought modelling one of the crew with a big lever pulling out cobbles to lob back at Dwarfs with the stone thrower.

    I'm a bit busy at the moment, because I have an exhibition in Old Billingsgate soon, just around the corner in fact, but after that I will put a little more work into these gobbos before I move and everything gets uprooted

    Thanks for all your initial comments.
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    Very nice, if you put that much attention and care into each gobbo it will look amazing!
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    Looking good, keep it up and this will be a great army.

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    Re: Dicky does: Night Goblins

    brilliant stuff there mate!

    Ive seen alot of 'NG' spider riders recently with the skullpass set and all - but your the first ive seen make new NG wolfriders!

    love them!

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    Hey, liking the log so far, gobbo's are fun (if slightly costly)

    I rekon you could get away with a rock lobba, dwarfs have the grudge thower so I'de let you take one (but I'm not the one who decides your them am i?)

    Also I rekon on the wolf riders you havn't done anything on, make them out like they tangle with dwarf miners alot, so you have two 'scouting' regiments that are bitter enemies, may look cool
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    Re: Dicky does: Night Goblins

    Great start so far Rich 123. I like the conversion work on the wolf riders. I also like the converted standard for the NG unit.
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    Re: Dicky does: Night Goblins

    Look, Dicky is doing WHFB!

    You did a fantastic job with those SM of yours so I'm looking forward to see many of your inspired conversions in this army too. And the stuff you did so far looks promising indeed.

    Those Wolf Riders look really good. Many people are trying all Night Gobbo armies these days so your work surely will be very inspiring for them. The texture on the wooden shield looks great too. I wish I was as good with this stuff as you are.

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    Re: Dicky does: Night Goblins

    Very impressive - not an overly done army so great to see someone lavishing a bit of attention on night gobbo's - wich I'd had the patience! ideas/suggestions:

    If you want a real horde look to your ranked units you can try mounting 4 to a 40mm square base - you get that bit extra freedom to position models so when they're ranked up it looks a bit less "parade ground". Also allows you to do mini dioramas on character bases. I got this from warhammer ancients but have started to use it in warhammer as it's better for moving figs - esp plastic ones that don't have enough weight to stop them from falling over.

    I love the tunnel idea for bases (green bases with green skin tone doesn't work that well) wondered if you planned to include any figures holding lantern or burning brands as the light reflection across the heads of the unit would be interesting to paint and make a break from green. What kind of colour scheme are you going for?

    -Some dead dwarves under the squig hoppers could look good.
    -Whilst a stonethrower in the trebuchet style doesn't really fit the theme - one that rips out cobbles/slabs and fires them down a tunnel is an awesome idea!!! maybe a "captured" dwarf warmachine?
    -Am not really a fan of the warhammer trolls - though am sure they'd improve with some conversion work - wondered if you'd consider using the LOTR cave troll?
    - For your wolf rider standard - howabout a japanese style banner pole fixed to his back?

    er, thats it for hte mo - best of luck!

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