Afghanwhigs Night Goblins Project

[afghanwhig]

So here it begins, my project log of Night Goblins for the Tales of Fantasy Painters Log.

I am currently at work right now so I dont have pictures but I wanted to start by running down what I want to build over the next year for the project.
So without further to do here is my army list. (please comment/critique, its been about 10 years since I have played so I dont know all the new rules yet)

SnarSnik and Gobbla

Night Gob Big Boss/Riding a Squig

Light Armor, Shield, One Hit Wunda

Night Gob Shaman

Lvl 2, Staff of Sneaky Stealing

Night Gob Shaman

2 Dispell Scrolls

x35 Night Gobs (Snarsnik Unit)

Nets, Command

x35 Night Gobs (7x5)

Command, 2 Fanatics

x35 Night Gobs (7x5)

Command, 2 Fanatics

x10 Squig Hoppers

x5 Squig Herds

x20 Night Gob Archers

Musician, Standard, Fanatic

x20 Night Gob Archers

Musician, Standard, Fanatic

x20 Night Gob Archers

Musician, Standard, Fanatic

x10 Spider Riders

Command

x10 Spider Riders

Command

This should bring to about ~1950 points for a 2k army.

[Rich 123]

Welcome to Warseer!

I saw you join the Tale of However Many Painters. I'm not that experienced with WFB either, but I too am collecting a Night Goblin army. How mine differs from yours is that I am converting Common Goblin units to look like the rest of the Night Gobbos, so have more flexibility in unit selection.

Whereas you have an almost entiely Night Goblin list, good on ya! Maybe the infantry Night Gobbos could do without a standard, some would say it is giving Victory points away having them on all your Night Gobbos. I'm not sure about the viability of all those archers as well - although you did say you were buying a number of Skull Passes so that is understandable. Gobbos cant hit the side of a barn when they are inside the barn, but 60 should be able to do something. But again, maybe these units just need musicians ... you don't want the enemy anywhere near arhers do you, so the Combat Resolution bonus from the standard is of little use. And fanatics are alright but the fear of Fanatics seems alot more effective than they actually are. Maybe its an idea to only have one in one or two of the identicle archer regiments. That way the enemy is going to be scared to charge the archers, unsure about which is hiding fanatics, and you save an extra 25 points - which is 7 or 8 extra gobbos!

But I digress, this is a project log so some pictures would be great! Have you made a start on any painting or modelling yet as we're already a week in. I only have one 20 point snotling base painted as of yet, not a good start! It's going to be a long slog for us horde players!

Good luck
Dicky

My Night Goblin thread is in my sig too if you fancy having a look at anything there for any ideas or for a chat

[afghanwhig]

Welcome to Warseer!

I saw you join the Tale of However Many Painters. I'm not that experienced with WFB either, but I too am collecting a Night Goblin army. How mine differs from yours is that I am converting Common Goblin units to look like the rest of the Night Gobbos, so have more flexibility in unit selection.

Whereas you have an almost entiely Night Goblin list, good on ya! Maybe the infantry Night Gobbos could do without a standard, some would say it is giving Victory points away having them on all your Night Gobbos. I'm not sure about the viability of all those archers as well - although you did say you were buying a number of Skull Passes so that is understandable. Gobbos cant hit the side of a barn when they are inside the barn, but 60 should be able to do something. But again, maybe these units just need musicians ... you don't want the enemy anywhere near arhers do you, so the Combat Resolution bonus from the standard is of little use. And fanatics are alright but the fear of Fanatics seems alot more effective than they actually are. Maybe its an idea to only have one in one or two of the identicle archer regiments. That way the enemy is going to be scared to charge the archers, unsure about which is hiding fanatics, and you save an extra 25 points - which is 7 or 8 extra gobbos!

But I digress, this is a project log so some pictures would be great! Have you made a start on any painting or modelling yet as we're already a week in. I only have one 20 point snotling base painted as of yet, not a good start! It's going to be a long slog for us horde players!

Good luck
Dicky

My Night Goblin thread is in my sig too if you fancy having a look at anything there for any ideas or for a chat

Hi Rich,

I had a long night at work and didn't get a chance to get anything painted. I do have everything out of sprues though and most of them set up. I just need to clean the mold lines up a bit and then prime them.

Comment away on the army, I need the help since I have not played in a very long time. I was thinking of dropping the archers completely and adding either more units of NG's or possibly a giant. I still have 48 points left over right now just how the army is.

...on a painting note I think I may reflect the goblins underground habitat by making them albino's. I am going to test this out on a single mini first and see how it looks.

[afghanwhig]

I took some pics before I left the house for work today.


Here is my table right now. Need to clean it up a bit.



My Archers and Spearmen. I am going to try and convert these to hand weapons and netters instead.



Spider Riders. I started these guys they are going to remain black and have some dark red highlights.



My command crew. Most of these things are from the BfSP box set.

[afghanwhig]

Some more...

Fanatics. 7 Total, 6 from two boxes and 1 from the exclusive last year. I like it its two Goblins tossing the fanatic.



And finally the big'un, Snarsnik and Gobbla. Picked it up yesterday.

[Warlord Ghazak Gazhkull]

It's going to be a long slog for us horde players!

Don't complain eh, you only have 160 models, I have 230:rolleyes. But I agree, we horde players will have more trouble getting painted our ladz then the ones who "only" have 80 models to paint.

You can find my blog also in my sig.

Anyway on your list afghanwhigs, it looks pretty decent for a first try but I would make some changes. Drop the banners on the archer units and make them 21 big( then they need to kill 6 goblins instead of 5 for causing panic). Then I would split up the spider rider units in units from 5 and give them musician. this will need some conversion work since you ony have those skull pass spiders but I can show pic's from mine. Then I would make the hopper unit 8 big and with the saved points I would add in spear chukka's.

Just my 2 cents on the list

And good luck with the painting.

Greetz
G

[afghanwhig]

Army Update:

SnarSnik and Gobbla

Night Gob Big Boss/Riding a Squig
Light Armor, Shield, One Hit Wunda

Night Gob Shaman
Lvl 2, Staff of Sneaky Stealing

Night Gob Shaman
2 Dispell Scrolls

x35 Night Gobs (Snarsnik Unit)
Nets, Command

x35 Night Gobs (7x5)
Command, 2 Fanatics

x35 Night Gobs (7x5)
Command, 2 Fanatics

x8 Squig Hoppers

x5 Squig Herds

x21 Night Gob Archers
Musician, Fanatic

x21 Night Gob Archers
Musician, Fanatic

x21 Night Gob Archers
Musician, Fanatic

x5 Spider Riders
Musician

x5 Spider Riders
Musician

x5 Spider Riders
Musician

x5 Spider Riders
Musician

So it looks like I am at about 1913 points right now. Not sure if I should cut some other things and get a Giant, Trolls, Machines, possibly another reg of Night Gobs, etc.

Also if anyone has some advice about magic and items that would be great.

[Warlord Ghazak Gazhkull]

Well I would certainly add 2 spear chukka's those are always usefull against large targets. And then you still have 17pts left, with that you can maybe buy another hopper, altough I prefer units from.

Just my 2 cents

Greetz
G

[Warwolt the skaven]

I fear for thy sanity. Hope it goes well :P

[Zodiac]

Yes! This is going to be cool!

horde armies for ... the ... win!

[Rich 123]

Hello again!

It is looking like a daunting task before you, with rank upon rank of grey Goblins! I had that problem with my marines, I converted everything before I started painting and it was so demoralising for me. Night Goblins can be super quick to paint though!

Just a though I had about your Fanatics... why not move two from one of the units and give it to Skarsnik's? it will make the unit with Skarsnik a more daunting threat to a charge. But also, rather sneakily, both the other units have the same equipment, if only one unit had Fanatics your opponent won't be able to tell which if those units to give a wide berth to avoid fanatics. Twice the effect with half the cost!

Oh, if you have lots of Skull Passes, maybe I could ask a favour. If, at some point, you have one of the Night Gobbo Shaman spare I'd gladly buy one off you. I love the staff top and is perfect for a conversion for the only Shaman in my army. So I only really need the staff top anyway.

So, is it the spider riders you are painting first then, they must be a significant chunk of points down if you do them all, good luck!
Dicky

[afghanwhig]

I fear for thy sanity. Hope it goes well :P

Yeah last night when I got home I started cleaning up some of the spearmen to start painting. I got through about 20 of them and called it a night, it was midnight though so was already pretty tired.

I think I may do about 15 more to make a whole 35 man unit and prime them up when I am done. Get some of them painted and some points done towards my 200 for the month.

Hello again!

It is looking like a daunting task before you, with rank upon rank of grey Goblins! I had that problem with my marines, I converted everything before I started painting and it was so demoralising for me. Night Goblins can be super quick to paint though!

As I already stated above, cleaned about 20 of them up and was already tired.

Just a though I had about your Fanatics... why not move two from one of the units and give it to Skarsnik's? it will make the unit with Skarsnik a more daunting threat to a charge. But also, rather sneakily, both the other units have the same equipment, if only one unit had Fanatics your opponent won't be able to tell which if those units to give a wide berth to avoid fanatics. Twice the effect with half the cost!

I have thought about juggling the fanatics around a bit and possibly getting rid of a few but as of making the list a few posts up I have 87 extra points right now. I think the other player may already be pondering if the Snarsnik regiment has a fanatic or not so the psychology check is already there.

I think I am going to add the two Spear Chucka's to the army and possibly split the Squig Herders Regiment into two units, 3 per which also adds one more to the list.

Oh, if you have lots of Skull Passes, maybe I could ask a favour. If, at some point, you have one of the Night Gobbo Shaman spare I'd gladly buy one off you. I love the staff top and is perfect for a conversion for the only Shaman in my army. So I only really need the staff top anyway.

I am debating right now if I am going to buy some of the shaman blisters to use instead of these guys. I do like the staff head though maybe I will convert one as well. I will likely pick up one more box though so if I do I will PM you to get shipping info.

So, is it the spider riders you are painting first then, they must be a significant chunk of points down if you do them all, good luck!

I was going to but I think I am going to hold off until I figure out how to convert them to Night Gobbo's. Speaking of which Warlord do you want to show us how you did yours?

To get a chunk down I was going to do one 35 man unit and a shaman this month. This way I don't go to crazy doing 100 goblins in one month. If it comes down to the wire I can always do Snarsnik since he is over 200 on his own.

Well I am off to do some housework, homework and then some painting.

[afghanwhig]

Yeah so I got 37 NG's cleaned, musician, standard and boss cleaned for a total of 40 mini's cleaned.

I primed one extra gobbo so I could play with the color scheme a bit and I think I am going to go with a black/dark purple robe and a very light/albino like green for the skin.

Once I have one done I will post the color scheme.

[Saulot]

hey guys! i was also thinking of joining the Tale of xxx Painters with a Night Gobbo army since I just recently got me a BfSP Box. Only problem I had was coming up with a good enough 2k NG Army list.

Anyway, good luck to you (Horde) guys! ^_^

[afghanwhig]

hey guys! i was also thinking of joining the Tale of xxx Painters with a Night Gobbo army since I just recently got me a BfSP Box. Only problem I had was coming up with a good enough 2k NG Army list.

Anyway, good luck to you (Horde) guys! ^_^

I have been slowly reading and assimilating any info I can from NG armies that get posted here. There is a lot of information about them if you search properly.

You should join, there are still 20 days to do your first 200 points. You can easily do that with two shamans or just Snarsnik if you include him into your list.

[afghanwhig]

So I have my first 40 mini's primed, started painting the first five of them and damn its taking a long time. I may just use the black prime coat as my main color and highlight it instead because this many Night Gobbo's are just going to take so damn long to paint.

As it stands I have been working for about 6 hours total on painting and still dont have one finished. They look pretty damn nice for what is painted but I cannot sustain doing 40 miniatures this way. (I will post a picture as soon as I find the damn cable from the camera to the computer.

I do have an updated army list though so tell me what you think. I also broke down the month by month for myself as well which will follow the army list.

Lords and Heroes

Snarsnik and Gobbla
Night Goblin Big Boss on a Giant Squig (Spiteful Shield, One Hit Wonda)
Night Goblin Shaman (Lvl 2, Staff of Sneaky Stealing)
Night Goblin Shaman (Dispell Scroll x2)

Rare

Snotling Pump Wagon x2

Special

Spear Chukka x2
3 Squig Herds x2
Squig Hoppers x8

Core

5 Spider Riders x4
21 Night Goblin Archers w/ Musician x2
36 night Goblins w/ Nets (Snarsnik's Unit)
40 Night Goblins w/ Command & Fanatic x2

This leaves me with about 120 points left over right now as well. Either Trolls a unit or another unit of night Gobbo's.

Here is how I am going to break down the month by month as of right now.

July - 40 Night Goblins w/ Command, Fanatic, and a Spear Chukka
August - Snarsnik
September - 20 Spider Riders
October - Night Goblin Shaman and six Squig Hoppers
November - 40 Night Goblin Archers, 2 Musicians, 2 Squig Hoppers, and a Spear Chukka
December - Night Goblin Big Boss on Squig, Snotling Pump Wagon, and one Squig Herd
January - Night Goblin Shaman, Snotling Pump Wagon, and a Fanatic
February - 40 Night Goblins w/ Command, 2 Squig Herder Units
March - 3 Squig Herder Units, 36 Night Goblins w/ Nets
April - Whatever my last 120 points turns out to be.

Let me know what you think.

[Jonahmaul]

This army is similar in composition to mine although I'm not having any archers (BS3 archers with short bows are rubbish cuz they're likely gonna have to move to shoot & always be at long range). I'm also not having any spears as they're a waste of points on NG. I think I''m going to run units of 30 & at the moment I have chosen FC but this is something I might change later on. Going to have either 1 or 3 fanatics in each of my units although I will mix this up once I actually start playing with the army. Other than that I'm going to have more Squigs (2 herd units & 2 hopper units) and 2 Giants. Not sure how this works out in points but when I get round to planning it out properly I'll put in in my log!

For converting Spiders in to NG ones (I'm planning on having couple of units of these also) you can just clip a bit of the cloak from the back & they'll fit onto the spider, you could also clip the feet off if you wanted to make them appear as if they're kneeling like the forest goblins are (I haven't tried this yet but asked for some advice on converting them & was given those ideas which sound pretty good). If you want some good advice on how to use goblins check out Avian's Orc & Goblins tactics page (its in his sig so just look in the members list). Only bad thing I'd say about it is that it is written as an Orc & Goblin guide so articles on goblins assume you'll be using them as support rolls or that you have other (better) options available!

[afghanwhig]

Blah Unfortunately I am going to have to take a joker for the first month. I was hoping to get both my shamans done today to get a little over the 200 point mark and give me some time to start on some of the units of Night Goblins.

Because of this I also took the time to break down my 2000 point list into smaller chunks so I can have an army done for 500 points, 1000 points and 1500 points as I go.

So thats the normal news...

For some personal questions, I am having trouble gluing my mini's. I have a NG Big Boss on the Squig but the glue I got from the GW store does not work. Anyone have any suggestions for me?

Also if anyone has some links to good basing tutorials or any advice for basing that would be great.

[Jonahmaul]

There's been some interesting discussions on basing in the TOFP thread so you could try looking there. I have just tried basing my models before spraying them but found this doesn't work as well so have gone back to my old method which is this: -

Once you have finished painting the models, 'paint' slightly watered down PVA glue on to the base & then dip in sand, shake of any excess & then leave to dry for a bit (i would also flick off any of the larger grains of sand that end up next to the goblin as they stick out quite badly due to the small size of the goblin). Once dried put a black ink over the sand (you don't need to water this down) & wait for that to dry. After that it is up to you what colour you paint the bases but a combination of browns usually works best (I use scorched brown followed by graveyard earth) & then paint the sides of the bases (again up to you but I went for bestial brown on mine). Finally once that is dry dab some PVA on to the bases in random places (make sure you do it in the gaps left by any of the larger grains you've flicked off) & dip the model in static grass. If you check out my project log you should be able to see how the bases have come out on my goblins using this method.

As for glue, it depends what glue your on about. If your gluing plastic models then you should be using plastic glue & GW's stuff is excellent. If your gluing metal bits (including metal to plastic) then you need superglue & the GW stuff is rubbish. What I find much better is a gel based superglue like locktite or Bostik. You can pick these up in a supermarket or any craft shops & are much easier to use as they have a smaller nozzle, holds the metal bits quicker & forms a much stonger bond. Note that if you have been using superglue on plastic models then it will stick them but very badly as rather than bonding them together it forms a layer in between the joins which is very brittle so breaks very easily. If you've been trying to glue metal together with pastic glue then you won't have any chance at all as it simply won't work!

[afghanwhig]

So I was able to get one shaman done for the month, not much but it is monsoon season here in Phoenix and with the weather I have not been able to prime anything yet.

I was able to finish up the shaman though. Aside from Basing it is done but I will have to take a half a joker for the ToFP for the month.

This is my first completed mini in the last ten years so please be gentle