Dark Elf army book rumours

[Sylass]

Dark Elf Army book rumours

Models
No plastic character set!
Witch Elves, Executioners, Shades and Black Guard get repackaged to sets of 5 metal models. No new models for them at the time being. Morathi and Shadowblade also get repackaged, no new models for them.

New stuff:
- Dreadlord (old Highborn) on foot and cold one (two different blisters)
- Supreme Sorceress (old High Sorceress) on foot and cold one (two different blisters)
- Corsairs, set of 10 plastic models
- Cold One Knights, set of 5 plastic models
- Hydra (metal box, new beast and new handlers)
- Lokhir Fellheart, new special character
- Assassins (3 different metal models, blister)
- Battalion box, 53 plastic models, exact contents not known, but likely guess is 28 warriors, 20 corsairs and 5 knights.
- Spearhead box, 22 models (both plastic sets, 2x Dreadlord, 2x Sorceress, Assassin, Lokhir, Hydra) plus army book. Listed as July 19th and priced at £112.


Army special rules and army composition
- Dark Elves are NOT getting Always Strike First rule as an army-wide rule (that is High Elves)
- All Dark Elves (but not mounts or monsters) gain +1 Attack in the turn they charge
- All Dark Elves (including mounts if not otherwise specified, as per the new Hatred rule) Hate all enemies
- Against High Elves, Dark Elves may re-roll failed to-hit rolls (for Hatred) in all rounds of combat, not just the first
- Dark Elves are probably not gaining the same army composition restrictions as High Elves (1 less Core, 2 more Special and Rare) and follow the same restrictions as before


Dark Magic
*FREE SPELL* 4+ to cast, generates D3+1 Power Dice that can only be used by caster. Any dice unused cause Strength 4 hit on the caster.

1 – Chillwind 5+ D6 Strength 4 hits. Any casualties prevent shooting.
2 - Doombolt 6+ D6 Strength 5 hits.
3 – Word of Pain 8+ Same as current
4 – Blade wind 8+ 3D6 WS4 S3 (?) attacks on unit within range (12”?).
5 – Soul Stealer 10+ 12” range, Each model takes Strength 2 hit, No Armour Saves. Wounds go to caster (no more than double).
6 – Black Horror 11+ Large template, Strength test or take a wound.



Lords
Old names in parentheses

Dreadlord (Highborn)
- two new metal models, foot and mounted on Cold One

Supreme Sorceress (High Sorceress)
- two new metal models, foot and mounted on Cold One


Heroes

Master (Noble)
- may ride a Manticore

Sorceress
- may ride a Black Pegasus

Death Hag
- may have a Cauldron of Blood for 110 pts
-- the Cauldron works more like an Anvil of Doom than anything else, it can move like war machines can, but cannot join units
-- Khanite units within 12" are Stubborn
-- Khainite units within 24" can get one of the following: 1) +1 Attack, 2) Killing Blow, 3) 5+ Ward save



Manticore
- must pass Leadership test each turn or become Frenzied.
- if rider is killed, automatically counts as having rolled the Hatred + Frenzy result on the Monster Reaction table
- counts as an extra Hero choice



Core

Warriors
- six points with spear and light armour. May buy shields as before.
- may take magic banners up to 25 pts

Crossbowmen
- ten points basic, plus 1 pt for shields
- gain armour piercing

Dark Riders
- cheaper
- champ supposedly gets both +1 BS and +1 A
- not likely to get a new set of plastic models anytime soon

Corsairs
- new set of plastic models!
- unit finally gets some options again. They come with two hand weapons and may replace one with a repeater handbow (a repeater crossbow with 8" range and the pistol rule, essentially) for free.
- the champ may have a second handbow, giving him 4x multiple shots
- may take magic banners up to 25 pts

Harpies
- don't count towards minimum number of Core, but no longer 0-1
- can use the General's Leadership and don't cause Panic in friendly units
- cheaper?

Assassin
- new metal model(s)?
- an upgrade for certain units, costing 90 pts. May take Gifts of Khaine


Special

Executioners
- pretty much as before (still have Killing Blow, for instance)

Black Guard
- no longer Rare
- increase in WS?
- almost certainly not 0-1

Witch Elves
- slightly cheaper

Chariots
- no longer 1-2 per Special choice

Shades
- WS 5, BS 5
- may have additional hand weapons or great weapons, may also have light armour

Cold One Knights
- new set of 5 plastic models
- cold ones back up to 2 attacks each?
- re-introduction of a magic banner that negates Stupidity?


Rare

Reaper Bolt Throwers
- still 1-2 per Rare

Hydra
- new (metal) model
- gains Regeneration
- handlers get 2A basic and additional hand weapons with armour piercing
- handlers cannot be attacked in close combat(?)
- cheaper





Special characters
- probably something like six different ones, the list below is more or less speculation

Malekith

Morathi
- new model or old one repackaged

Lohir Fellheart
- gets a mini, unknown what sort of character he is

Shadowblade
- new model or old one repackaged

Malus Darkblade?

Hag Queen Hellebron???

Kouran, Captain of the Black Guard???




Thanks to philbrad2 for the picture of the new DE Cold One.

Discussion here

[Avian]

Some rumours:

Originally Posted by Haquim

From what A.Cavatore told me at the italian GT DE WILL get hatred against everyone and eternal hatred against HE (I asked if Shadow wariors were an attempt to playtest the new DE armywide rule and he smiled and said "I really like hatred for DE, I think it suits them well...") .
I also expressed my concern about the disadvantages of hatred: Cavatore said they are minor and you only have to pursue if you win HtH, not like frenzy. I told him about how sometimes my O&G opponents (I'm a dwarf player first and foremost) use cheap goblin units to disrupt my battleline forcing me to pursue and be charged on flank and front, he said that is surely a good tactic but in order for it to work you must be sure your bait will really lose or will even get into HtH and not get anihilated but magic/shooting. Basically he said if your opponent is able to use baits effectively he deserves the benefits they give.
From what I hear (but I wasn't personally told) other people told him hatred won't be enough to ballance SoA. He agreed and said DE will get rules able to make them even.

P.S.

I also asked about other things:
-It's most probable Hag Queens will come back and the cloudron of blood could very well be an option for them instead of a rare choice.
-Cavatore agreed DE assassins are too weak for their point cost and hinted they may get major improvements.
-I asked for better dark magic. He agreed it's too weak and said it will get MUCH more powerful and destructive. I asked for a spell to defend DE infantry from shooting (I suggested something called "Veil of darkness" that forces I tests to shoot all infantry units inside 12''). He said dark magic should not protect but utterly destroy (and he's right of course... It's only I feel if you want DE infantry to be played you need to give DE players ways to defend from shooting)... Anyway he said DE could get something like what I suggested in the form of a magic item.
-I asked about Hydras and why they do not regenerate since the most well known legend about Hydras (hercules, you know...) is centered about their ability to regenerate... When hearing this he simply smiled and said "they will" (regenerate). I take this has already been discussed and agreed upon.

Originally Posted by Little Aaad

Some little birdy told me a few things, not saying who though as I can't.

Dark Elfs are not getting ASF like the Highs!
Dark Elfs are keeping hatred!
Executioners are getting a powerfull upgrade but are losing KB!
Witch Elfs will never lose Frenzy!
Assasins may be able to hide in the enemy unit!

Whether any of this is true I dont know, but he/she sounded pretty certain.

I know VC's are being done first but there are two teams working on them.

[Avian]

And it would appear that the DE book is now not too far away:

Originally Posted by ddfishy

I pulled this off another site so it is not my source but I was wondering if anyone had heard anything similar to this:

Chaos Demons released in late April/May for 40K and Fantasy.

Tenatively this summer a list for Hordes/Mortals of Chaos will be published in White Dwarf to tide people over

New 40K rule book in July.

Dark Elves in August.

New Battle for Macragge in September.

New Space Marines Codex in October.

Hordes of Chaos release in November.

[Avian]

More rumours:

Originally Posted by Maximus Lucifer

so this is what i obtained from a person who went to a seminar...
- +1 At on the Charge + Hatred are the army Wide special rules
- aparently Black Guard change to Special and have stat increases akin to Swordmasters
- Executioners lose KB and gain a new nifty ability against Armoured foes
- witch elves have the ASF ability + poison
- new spell in the Dark Lore akin to the frenzy spell in the skaven book
items are changed quite a bit
- Cold ones (the mounts) gain +1 attack and have a possibility not to have stupidity
- Dark Riders cheaper
- a new monster as a rare choice
- RBT is still a Free choice unlike chariots
- harpies are cheaper
- Sorceresses have an ability having to do with sacrificing their bodies to do more casting power (dont know what he meant)
- RxB's are St4 if standing still or 2x shots if moving...shoots like a normal bow if it moves

i found this quite strange since no one else around here posted anything, so ill take it with a grain of salt

[Sylass]

A few more DE rumours from Flomat:

Note that these rumours, despite being highly specific, do not include the new special character Lokhir Fellheart and must therefore be regarded with some suspicion.

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General Rules
- Hatred as general wide-army rule;
- Eternal Hatred VS High Elves;

- maybe +1A on charge for Elite troops (difficult to see this rule on Troop choices)....it's possible that this bonus will be provided by the new Cauldron of Blood;

- Standard Army Composition Chart (at 2000 points: 3+ Troops; 0-4 Special & 0-2 Rare). ]

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LORDS CHOICE

Dark Elf Highborn
- same profile, may be +5 points;
- can mount: Black Dragon, Manticore, Dark Pegasus, Cold One, Dark Steed or a CO Chariot;
- ColdOnes gains +1A on the profile;
- Dark Pegasus and Manticore have the same profile, but the Manticore will probably be cheaper;
- Black Dragon is the same as today, but his Breath will change: less St but with no Armour Save, and it will causes Panic Test if it wounds.

High Sorceress
- same profile, she will be a few points cheaper;
- upgrade to 4th level of magic will costs 35 points;
- she (obiouvsly) may not be included in Witch Elves troops;
- she knows: Dark Magic, Lore of Death and Lore of Shadows;
- can mount: Manticore, Dark Pegasus, ColdOne, Dark Steed;
- Sorceress loses the +1 bouns in casting spells, but they will be able to cast spells with as many dices as they want, regardless of magic level;
- they gain a new ability: at the cost of 1 wound, they'll gain 1 "special" Power Dice, tha will grants Total Power on a result of 6, and a Mistcast on a result of 1. (ie: Sorc. cast a spell with 2 "normal" dices and 1 "special" dice: with the normal ones she obtains 3 and 4, and with the "special" one she obtains a 6: Total Power!!! )

Heroes Choice

Dark Elf Noble
- same as today;
- BSB may take shield, great weapon, etc., like the HE one.

Sorceress
- see "High Sorceress" entry;
- probably they'll cost 5 points more than today (but the upgrade to 2nd level will be +35 points).

Assassin
- same profile and cost as today;
- may hide himself in enemy units;
- may be placed as a Scout;
- may, as today, hide himself in friendly units;
- Poisoned Attacks as an upgrade option (without spending the "magic items" points);
- ASF in the turn in wich he's revealed.

Beastlord
- no more a "Hero" choice, he'll be an upgrade option for monsters units.

Hag Queen
- Wich Elf Heroine quite effective in HtH ^^;
- ASF, Furious and never loses it;
- 2 hand weapons and Poisoned Attacks;
- Ward Save of 5+ ("Blessing of Khaine" rule);
- can mount: Manticore (taking 1 more Hero choice) or the Cauldron of Blood (0-1, probably take a Hero or Rare choice).

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Cauldron of Blood
- it costs around 175/200 points;
- it seems that a new model will be produced;
- it can move as a warmachine;
- Large Target and causes Terror;
- all friendly units within 24" may re-roll failed To Wound rolls;
- it's Indistructible, tough if the Hag and the 2 Witches are killed, it's removed as a casuality;
- may confers +1A on charge (probably it is THIS the real rule about the +1A) to some units: Witch Elves, Executioners, Assassins, maybe Black Guard;
- the Hag Queen and the 2 Witches are Unbreakable and have a 5+ Guard Save;
- Witch Elves units within 12" gains +1 on their Ward Save;
- MAY join a Witch Elves unit, wich will become Unbreakable.

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Dark Magic:
- a new "0" spell, autatically known by Sorceress that, on casting value of 4+ will generate d3+1 Power Dice, tough if not used, each of these dices will causes a St 5 hit on the Sorceress;
- Chillwind as today, exept for +1 St;
- Doombolt: 24" d6 St 5 hits, may gain 2 casting values, the 2nd inflicting 2d6 hits;
- Word of Pain as today, casting value reduced;
- Soul Thief works like a Hochland now, targeting any model within 24" and in LOS, causing a Wound without AS, that is transferred to the Sorceress;
- new spell that puts a friendly unit into Fury, if already Furious, it confers +1A to each model, but every turn the units suffers d3 casualities, remains in play;
- Black Horror similar to the "Pit of Shades", gains 24" of range.

Here you are, first edit

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Troops:

Warriors:
- they have lance, light armour and shiled for basic;
- they ARE cheap (around 7 point per model);
- may have a Magical Standard (max. 25 points).
- for a cost of around 50 points, a "lesser" Assassin may join the unit;
- he has 2/3 Poisoned Attacks and only 1 Wound;
- ASF and can't leave the unit in wich he's hiding.

Multi-Crossbowmen:
- they have crossbow and light armour for 10 points/model;
- may take shields for +1p.nt/model;
- looks like the Champion has BS of 5;
- they CAN'T take magical Standard;
- seems they can take the "lesser" Assassin;
- the new Repeating Crossbows are: range 24", St 3, Piercing AND multiple shot x2.

Corsairs:
- same as today for statistics and costs;
- may take a Magical Standard (max 25 points);
- new Special Rules UNCERTAIN: one is that they gains +50 VP for every unit killed in HtH and another one may be that A SINGLE unit may enter the battlefield like Dwarfs Miners did.

Dark Riders:
- same profile as today;
- they will be cheaper (around 13/14 points.....19 with Crossbows);
- seems they could make a March Movement before the start of the game.

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Special Choice:

Shades
- same as today.

Harpies
- same profiles as today;
- cheaper (10/11 points/model).

Cold One Chariots:
- profile same as today, exept for the +1A of the ColdOnes;
- no more 1-2 for single Special slot.

Witch Elves
- minimum unit: 5+;
- same as today for profile and costs;
- 6+ Ward Save;
- 2 hand weapons, Poisoned Attacks, Fury (and never lose it), ASF;
- may take a Macical Standard (max 50 points);
- the Champion may take Poisons (one of these will halves enemy's I ).

Executioners:
- minimum units: 5+;
- 11 points/model;
- lose KB, but every successful To Hit dice, will aout-Wounds;
- Draichs works like Halleberds, and confers the Piercing Ability;
- may take a Magical Standard (max 50 points).

Black Guard:
- minimum units: 5+;
- 2A/model; Stubborn and Eternal Hatred;
- Halleberds and Heavy armours;
- may take a magical standard (max 50 points);
- the Champion may take 25 points of Magic Objects.

ColdOnes Knights
- will costs a few more points;
- ColdOnes with +1A;
- the Champion may take 25 points of Magic Objects;
- may take a magical standard of max 50 points (there is one that nullifies Stupidity).

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Rare Choice:

Reaper Bolt Thrower:
- costs as today;
- 1-2 for single Rare Choice as today;
- 2 ways of shooting:
- a) if stationary: 48", single dard, St 6, no AS OR 48", 6 shoots, St 4, Piercing;
- b) if moved: 24", multiple shot x2 (it means exactly 12 shoots), St 3. (WITHOUT Piercing, and still suffers the movement and multiple shot penalities).

War Hydra:
- Large Target, causes Terror;
- Scaly Skin (3+ or 4+), Regeneration (special one!)
- with a 6 on Regeneration roll, a new head "grows", adding +1St to the hydra's Breath (starts with St 4) with a maximum of St 10.
- 2 Beastmasters as today;
- option for the Beastlord, that will grants favorable results on the Monster Reactions Chart and MAYBE could take 25 points of Magic Objects.

NEW MONSTER:
- it will something really fast, maybe even Flying;
- it will causes Terror quite for certain;
- it will have the Beastlord option, like the War Hydra.

the cases are 3:
a) something absolutely unespected;
b) the Manticore, now a Rare entry;
c) there is nothing at all as "new Rare choice"

...the more papable is the second case...the model already exists and the "traslation" from Hero to Rare is quite simple...

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Special Characters:

Malekith, Witch King of Naggaroth
- He'll be in the army list;
- still mounted on the Black Dragon Seraphon;
- He seems to has a 1+ AS and a Ward Save aginst Magic and similar;
- He has some magic weapons (I think they'll be the same as today, but the rules may change(;
- He seems still able to cast Spells;
- if present, the DE player would be able to re-deploy d3 units after the deployement phase.

Morathi
- 4th level High Sorceress (with all their special rules);
- can mount Sulephet, her Dark Pegasus;
- various rules/objects: one of them will grants her the possibility to Regenerate the wound auto-inflicted to gain the "special Power Dice";
- the enemies in BtB halves their WS and I;
- she seems to have a magic weapon similar to the Teclis' one.

Malus Darkblade
- same as today.

Shadowblade
- basically same as today;
- He seems to be a HERO choice.

Crone Hellebrone
- Hag Queen SC, more skillful in HtH than a "normal" Hag Queen;
- can mount the Cauldron of Blood (no information in the eventuality of mounting a Manticore).

Kouran
- if deployed, the Black Guard seems to count as Core Troop choice;
- Killing Blow and a good Armour Save;
- low cost in points.

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Magic Objects:

Magic Weapons:
- a weapon that heals the owner's wounds, in base of how many he inflicts on enemies;
- a weapon "LETHAL" on Challenges;
- the Lifetaker will work as a Hochland, with multiple shot x2;
- a "Hag only" weapon that multiplies their Attacks;
- a weapons that multiplies inflifted Wounds;
- probably the Gauntlet of Power will be removed;
- some others, wich are unknown.

Magic Armours:
- a "special" SeaDragon Cloak that confers a better Armour Save and a 5+ Ward Save;
- a Shield that subtracts enemies' attacks;
- an armour that provides an Immutable AS (seems of 2+), at a low cost;
- some others, wich are unknown.

Talismans:
- the Crown of Black Iron will be the same as today;
- a talisman (Heart of the Hydra ???) that provides Regeneration;
- the Cloak of Dark Souls will be a talisman, same as today for the effects;
- probably the Heart-ston of Darkness will be removed;
- some (few) others, wich are unknown.

Arcane Items:
- various Infused spell objects;
- the Seal of Ghrond will be an Arcane Item, same as today for the effects;
- a Staff that provides a +1 bonus in Casting Spells at a low cost in points;
- the Soulstone remains the same as today;
- some others, wich are unknown.

Enchanted Items:
- totally unknown.

Magic Banners:
- Hydra Banner that DOUBLES the Attacks of the bearer's unit;
- a banner that provides a 5+ Ward Save against Magic and Shoots;
- a low cost banner that improves the unit's AS for 1 turn;
- a banner that gives the Immunity to Psicology rule to the unit (nullifying the Stupidity);
- a banner that provides the same effects of the "fury" spell;
- some (voices say "a lot more") others, wich are unknown.

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New Models:
- plastic kit for the Highborn/Noble (1 mounted on ColdOne & 1 on foot);
- plastic kit for the Sorceress (1 mounted & 1 on foot);
- Crone Hellebrone;
- Kouran;
- Morathi;
- plastic Corsairs;
- Cauldron of Blood/Altar of Khaine (not known if in metal or plastic).
- ColdOne Knights
- Hydra

Models that seems not to be redone:
- Warriors;
- Dark Raiders;
- Executioners;
- Witch Elves;
- Shades;
- ColdOne Chariot;
- Harpies;
- Black Guard;
- Reaper Bolt Thrower;
- Manticore;
- Black Dragon

What seems to be in the Battalion Box:
- 2x Warriors box
- 1x new plastic Corsairs box
- maybe 1x new plastic ColdOne Knights.

Discussion here.

[Avian]

And some conflicting rumours, which is only to be expected at this time:

Originally Posted by Mister Hat

From someone who has supposedly read the playtest lists (in no particular order):

DE Coldones are "purebred". You can choose +1 M, +1A or +1 AS. Points cost not known.

DE Sorceresses can cast from within a unit. LOS is not needed. There is a nifty magic item that lets them cut the throat of one of the unit to gain +1 PD. VERY Dark-Elven IMHO. There is no maximum to the number of PD they can use, but the miscast table is horrible.

According to this book, Executioners keep KB. ????

Spearelves are 7 pts, +6 for RXB. LA and sh included.

The CoB gives a 4+ Ward to all Khaine units within 24". It can move (yep, it's back on wheels) but is fairly fragile. Well over 200 pts.

The Hydra is filthy, apparently, although expensive. There was no additional monster in the book my friend read.

All these differences (e.g. KB, additional monster) make me wonder if GW actually put out different lists to different groups. Would be a nice way to catch the leakers, eh?

[Avian]

Releases list from Alliance Games:

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++WARHAMMER++

GAW 85-01-N WHF DE Dark Elf Army Book $22.00
GAW 85-02 WHF DE Dark Elf Spearhead $192.00
GAW 85-08-N WHF DE Black Ark Corsairs $22.00
GAW 85-11-N WHF DE Cold One Knights $22.00
GAW 85-13-N WHF DE Dark Elf Battalion $90.00
GAW 85-14-N WHF DE War Hydra $40.00
GAW 85-15 WHF DE Witch Elves $20.00
GAW 85-16-N WHF DE Witch Elves Command $22.00
GAW 85-17 WHF DE Executioners $20.00
GAW 85-18 WHF DE Executioner Command $22.00
GAW 85-19 WHF DE Black Guard $20.00
GAW 85-20 WHF DE Black Guard Command $22.00
GAW 85-21 WHF DE Shades $20.00
GAW 85-35 WHF DE Assassin $10.00
GAW 85-37 WHF DE Lokhir Fellheart $6.00
GAW 85-43-N WHF DE Dreadlord $6.00
GAW 85-44 WHF DE Dreadlord On Cold One $10.00
GAW 85-45-N WHF DE Supreme Sorceress On Cold One $10.00
GAW 85-46-N WHF DE Supreme Sorceress $6.00
GAW 85-55 WHF DE Morathi On Dark Pegasus $25.00
GAW 85-56 WHF DE Shadowblade Assassin $6.00

[Avian]

And a partial glimpse of a painted Cold One, from Harry.

[Sylass]

Finally a few more pictures...

Thanks to Alexander Keith for the links.

Discussion here.

[Avian]

And thanks to Scallat for providing a summary of the magic rumours so far:

Originally Posted by Scallat

Incidentally have we heard anything reliable about having no zero level spell? As far as I can tell people seem to have decided that because it's in the demons rulebook it can't be in for Dark Elves while at the same time, ironically, using the fact that reckless is in the High Elves book as an argument in it's favour. Which is a bit inconsistant.

I don't see any reason why it couldn't still be on the table as a potentail rule.
I also happen to think it's pretty cool. In a list with 2 level 2's and a level 4 you can cast 7 power dice worth of spells (try to draw out dispells) then (potentially) cast the 0-spell 3 times (on a 3+ thanks the the +1 to cast rule) and have all your wizards back up to 4 dice.
The last rumour we heard about the 0-level spell was that any power dice not used that are generated from the that spell cause a S5 hit on your sorceress. In which case it's a damn good thing that they can cast above their dice limit.

Ok, so - Summary of what we know so far regarding Dark Elf Magic in the new edition.

Reckless is likey not in there. - The only person who's seen the play test rules that we know of says he hasn't seen it and doesn't know any play tester that has. Looks like it was wish listing.

+1 to casting rolls is likely still in - again thanks to Lord Aries for information on this.

Dark Elf wizards have no limit on the number of dice they can use on a casting roll - This one has been around for ages and is pretty concrete by my reckoning. (I will almost certianly attempt to cast a spell on 8 or 9 dice in my first game. Just for laughs.)

There is a possible 0-level spell similar to the boon of tzeentch.It will grant bonus powerdice but causes hits/wounds for unused bonus powerdice at the end of the phase. - Unsure about this rumour seems likely to me but then Lord Aries has said no. He also said he wasn't paying to much attention to magic. Anyone know anything solid? This rumour appeared along with the rumours about Repeater Hand Crossbows for corsairs and they turned out to be true.

There is a magic item that allows sorceresses to sacrifice either models in the same unit or her own wounds for bonus power dice. - Again this has been around for ages (and was in the same rumours that told us about repeater hand bows for corsairs) - I consider this one confirmed.

Dominion is likely gone to be replaced with some kind of spell that grant frenzy. - Haven't heard about this one in a while.

Soul Theif can now target any single model and causes a wound with no save which is transferred to the sorceress. It likely has a limit of twice her starting wounds. - Another old rumour which has gone unconfirmed for a while now. Seems reasonable though.

Black horror to gain increased range. - Meh. Probably true. No big deal though.

Chillwind to gain +1S. - Probably true - thanks to Lord Aries again.

Two casting values for Doombolt. - Another long unconfirmed rumour recently confirmed by Lord Aries.

Right this is the situation as it stands now. What do we think?

It seems like alot of the rumours from the rumour roundup thread are coming true so that's probably a good basis for further discussion because I'm nice I've transcribed most of them here.

[Avian]

This advert gives a far-off glimpse of the new metal Hydra model.

[Richard_the_Warlock]

What you mean this poster?

[Sylass]

A few more pictures from ulthuan-naggaroth.over-blog.com.

[Gazak Blacktoof]

More rumours from druchii.net>>


First up some translations courtesy of Cal'Mihe

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Some more translations:

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Quote:PERSO:
140 pts le nouveau dynaste pour les meme caracs...=s





Characters:
140 points for the new highborn


Quote:Bases:
aLAnciers sans modif', 6pts pieces,7 avec boucliers. L4état majors est a 6pts le champions,6 pts l'étandar et 3 pts le musicos!!! Donc ça fait que 155pts les 20 lanciers!!=)





Spearmen:
6 pts a piece, 7 with shields. The command group is 6 points for the champion, 6 for standard and 3 for musician. This gives 155 pts for 20 spearmen!


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Arbalétriers:10 pts pieces. LE champion a CT de 5! L'état major est a 10/10/5.





Crossbowmen: 10 points a piece, Command group is 10/10/5


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Cavaliers Noirs: Changes pas mais a 17 pts pieces,21 avec RxB.





Dark riders: Does not change but are 17 points a model, 21 with RxB


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Harpie: C'est de la base. 11 pts pieces si je ne m'abuse. Elle peuvent utiliser le Cd du général et ont une regle"Betes" qui revient a la regle "insignifiant" chez les gobs!





Harpies: They're core, 11 points if I remeber correctly. They can use the LD of the general and have a rule "Beasts" which resembles the rule "insignificant" ("Nobody cares") at the goblins.


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Spéciales:

Gardes noirs: Pour moi la meilleurs unité du LA: 13 pts/figs Relances toujours leurs Attaques ratés!(regle "Guerriers D'élite"). Plus de restriction "0-1" Peuvent prendre Kouran comme champion pour 75 pts. Kouran c'est 2A, F4(F5 avec la hallebarde) et une armure qui fait qu'avant de taper, avant les touches d'impact de char ect ect il faut faire un test d'endurance ou ne pas pouvoir attaquer!!! (Fatal pour la célérité d'asuryan!^^)





Black Guard: For me, the best unit of the army book: 13 points/model, can always reroll their attacks ("Elite Warriors" rule). No more 0-1 restriction. Can take Kouran as champion for 75 points. Kouran is 2A, S4 (S5 with halebard) and an armor which, before strikes, before impact hits etc, anyone who wants to attack him needs to roll a toughness test or they cannot attack. (Fatal for speed of Asuryan!)


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Exécuteur: 12pts/figs, +1F toujours le coup fatal, mais sont Khainites (je vous expliquerais cette regle plus tard)





Execs: 12 points /model. +1S, always killing blow, but are Khainites (I will explain this rule later)


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Furie:10pts, Matriarche peut pendre des Dons de Khaine et peuvent avoir un chaudron de sang(désolé je ne me souvient plus du cout en points...!^^)





Witch Elves: 10 points. Hag can take Gifts of Khaine and can have a cauldron of blood (sorry I don't remember the points cost)


Quote:Char: 100 pts, 1 seul/slot, sav3+ aurige F4




Chariot: 100 points, 1 pr slot, 3+ save, driver S4


Quote:Chevaliers sur sang froids:27pts +1F




Cold one Knights: 27 points, +1S


Quote:Rare: Baliste reste les meme

Hydre: Haaaaaa! La on s'attaque a du lourd! Du tres lourd meme! 175 pts 7A 5 PV Régénération, la Force de son souffle est égal au nombre de points de vie restant!




Hydra: Ahhhhh, this one hits hard! Really hard! 175 points, 7A 5W, Regeneration, the strength of the breath weapon is equal to the number of wounds left!

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Straight translations as far as my moderate french will allow http://www.druchii.net/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif All the comments and whatnot are by the original french poster.

And some reaction from Dark Alliance to the orginal translations

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Well, this has taken longer to happen than I thought but here goes...as far as I know of course, but I could be wrong and there may have been brain farts along the way


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RUMOUR from the French forum (someone who pretends to have read the army book)

core:

Spearmen: nothing change except cost 1 pt less true

Rbx: 10pts (leader has BS5) true, but I can't remember about the BS5 & I don't have the list to hand right now

DR: 17pts (and only 21pts with rbx) would you like it to be true? There could be other variations

Harpy: 11pts, can use general command kinda true


special:

BG: 13pts Elite Warrior (reroll to hit dice), no more 0-1 restriction
with Kouran (75pts, 2A S5): attacker must succeed toughness test or fail! kinda true

Witchelves: 10pts hag can have a CoB and still take Gift of Khaine kinda true

Exec: 12pts S4, KB, Khaine worshipper (don't know what is it? army rule for some units?) true

chariot: 100pts 1= 1 special choice, AS3+, "driver has S4" true

COK: 27pts S4 true


Rare:

RBT: no change true

Hydra: 175pts, A7, W5 = breath strengh, regeneration kinda true

Dark Alliance also seems to have confirmed the rumour that the repeater hand bows will have a range of 12" and will count as an extra weapon in combat.

[Gazak Blacktoof]

New rumours (since my last post, no less) again from the french, translated by Master of Arneim this time, the only contradiction seems to be the range of the repeater hand bows which Arneim indicates are 8", not 12". That's rumours for you I guess .

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Something new from the french site!

- Worshippers of Khaine within 18 from the cauldron can choose between
1) +1 attacks
2) killing blow
3) ward save 5+

Within 12" they're "tenace"(?)---> umbreakable or stubborn.

Assassin at 10 points less than a beast of nurgle with same stats except ld-1 and maybe S3. Can choose from the temple of khaine for 3/4 the cost of a beast of Nurgle. Asf.

black guards... 2 attacks.

Shades: like He with bs+1 and the chance of getting 2 han weapons, great weapons and their costs raise by 2. the extra weapons have to be payed.

Xbows are ap.

Magic: lvl 0 at 4+ in order to gain D3+1 pd. Each unused causes a S 4 hit on the mage.
8+ bolt dealing 3d6 S3, but I'm not sure about translation.

Corsairs: one more point than now and can have repeater pistols S3 e 8".

Now, I must go out and tell everyone I know!

[Sylass]

The content of the Dark Elf Spearhead box was revealed a few days ago:

Sorceress on foot and on cold one.
Dreadlord on foot and on cold one.
Hydra and two apprentices.
5 CoKs
Assasin
Lokhir
10 Corsairs + army book

http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefr...091&orignav=13

Discussion here.

[Sylass]

Thanks to Kellaris for a picture of the upcoming DE army book.

Discussion here.

[Sylass]

GW Design Studio Open Day:

Originally Posted by Slaaaaaanesh

Dark Elf models look amazing and the Dark elf riders are a plastic multipart kit!

After flicking throught the Dark Elf rulebook: the army rule is hatred aginst all opponents, and against High Elves they reroll all to hits in every round of combat!

There are two metal generals on foot, both with little dragons on their shoulders.
Box of 5 plastic cold ones
Scorceress on whirling cloud of magic!
A new metal general on cold one

A special character with a mask which looks like the Kracken shaped standard on that you can see in the recent WD pics. Fluff says that he uses magic to let his troops breathe underwater when carrying out raids.

The blood cauldron is a slow moving war machine type thing. You can use one of four abilities to help you all DE troops not just Witch elves, but I cannot remember what these are. If anybody can add to this that would be great....There was a lot of stuff to take in!

Originally Posted by Slaaaaaanesh

Oh I remeber that the Hydra's beast masters can hide behind the Hydra when in close combat. This means that the enemy will have to make all strikes on the Hydra, even if they can choose. Of course the beast masters can be shot at normally, and if they die then a monsterous reaction will have to be rolled for.

Originally Posted by Jedi152

[...] DE: models and book on display were some of the best i've ever seen. Lohkir Fellheart wears the helm of the kraken which makes him cause terror. He has a rule where any enemy pursued and caught (possibly by his unit, can't recall) is taken as slaves and is worth double VPs.

Cold one knight are the best cavalry i've ever seen. Unbelievably detailed. I'm certainly getting a few. Special characters include Morathi and Crone Hellbron. [...]

Originally Posted by Jedi152

Ooh yes, there's a lovely new noble we've not seen yet with a spear leaning on his shoulder standing on a HE helmet.

There's a chance he was Kouron and it was a halberd, not too sure.

[Sylass]

Thanks to kragnorak for a picture of the new plastic hydra.


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some more stuff:

Originally Posted by kragnorak

It was a resin cast of a fleshound if i remember.

I had a quick flick through the Dark Elf Book. They had several characters, 2 of them being upgrades to your troops. Spearmen are now 6pts each, corsairs are 10 pts each. Assasins are now not character choices, but unit choices at 90 pts. They strike first and have some new options like poisons etc.

Dark rider models are not changing at the moment, and they are not yet changing the Dark Elf Chariot.

3 New assassin models are being released, along with 2 new sorceresses.

The magicians have the special rule now that they can use unlimited power dice to cast a spell and every Dark Elf Magician has the extra 1d3 power dice spell as standard before they role for spells. (the extra power dice must be used by the magicians individually)

But if you have any power dice in your pool at the end of the magic phase that each magician has not used, it can cause the magician problems and even explode!

Kurhan, darkblade, makelith, Hag special character but cannot remember her name.

Cold One Riders are base strength 4 but still suffer from stupidity. If you include darkblade in the unit they then dont suffer from stupidity.

Will try and remember more!

Cheers

Kragnorak

[Sylass]

Thanks to nix for the following news bits & pictures collected at the Baltimore Games Day:

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A quick synopsis of the Tactical notes (new rules)
* Sacrificial Dagger - allows sorceress to kill off member in her unit for an additional power dice once per cast attemp
* All Dark Elf spellcasters know Power of Darkness - grants the caster D3+1 additional casting dice
* Cauldron of Blood - war machine attached to Death Hag - makes all Khainite unites in 12 inches stubborn
* War Hydra - Terror, Regeneration, 7 Str 5 attacks, Str 5 breath weapon

Discussion here.