order in which the primarks were found?

[The Anarchist]

so what do we know about the order in which the Primarchs were found? I would like to see if can discover a list or at least an order of deffinatve chronology, and if not an exact one a vague sort of order.

1. Horus (we know for sure he was the first Primarch found and this remained so for many years)
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7. Rogal Dorn. Not so sure of this one, I've heard it a few times and was backed up on a very dubious site; Lexicanum.
8.
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10.
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12.
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14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20. Alpharius Omegron (found and indoctrinated by Horus rather than the Emperor i know, but definitely the last Primarch found.)

[Whitehorn]

Perturabo before Guilleman
Perturabo is 'one of the first found'
Vulkan and Perturabo before Angron (Tales of Heresy)
7. Rogal Dorn (in Horus Rising)
Magnus before Lorgar

[Vesica]

Didn't the Legions number represent the order they where found in?

[guillimansknight]

Nope DA were number one

[Tiller5]

If you go to this page, you will see when the first 'primark' was found(ed).
On a more serious note, I don't think we know for sure the exact order, perhaps later Horus Heresy books will clarify this? Also, The Lion and Leman Russ were both said to have long and illustrious campaign victories to their names, so I'd imagine they were found earlier than others.

[Xisor]

We certainly don't know the order, but a lot of the HH books and such definitely outline an order. As Whitehorn notes: After Desh'ea vividly notes that Perturabo was found prior to Angron.

From there you can begin to make some assumptions. That Ferrus and Fulgrim were great chums could indicate they were found around the same time.

One might posit that the 'Greatest' primarchs were closer to the first than the last. E.g. Sanguinius, Lion El'Jonson, Russ, Dorn, Horus and Guilliman could all be early Primarchs?

[Rusty Initate]

heres what i've summerised on lexicanum

Fulgrim was discovered before Konrad Curze

Magnus was found fast by the Emperor due to presence in warp

Magnus found before Lorgar

Perturable was before angron and Guilliman

Lion was before Russ

[The Anarchist]

think i may have made a mistake with the title Primarch is what i meant obviously.

it occurs to me now we could look at the amount of time a Primarch spent upon his world before being found. now i know that the number of days might be different to a Terran year and that the warp can mess with time but might give some reference. so using this does anyone have ideas for how long each Primarch was upon their home planet.

also the numbering of the legions has nothing to do with the order in which they were founded as i understand it or when their Primarch was found.

[Shadow Fall]

should be 1 - 18

2 never found...

Untill now!

(see below for more details)

on serious note horus was the first found

SF

[wilsongrahams]

Nothing ever states that two were never found, only that records were destroyed following the heresy, as sources state that statues exist of all twenty as well as some never achieving full glory - so they must have achieved some.

[Shadow Fall]

I stand corrected then...

but the fact still exists that there is no knowledge as to where and when the 2 primarchs were found.

SF

[Whitehorn]

All 20 were found and assumed to be joined with their legions. In The Lightning Tower Dorn laments their loss. Knowing that Horus has turned so many of them against the Emperor, their presence would have restored the odds.

Counting how many days a Primarch was on his home world, if even possible, does not really amount to much because of how they came to be on their home planet - scattered through the warp by the Chaos gods. You would be assuming they all arrived at the same time, which is unlikely due to distance and chaos variables associated with warp travel.

There is no doubt we'll get more information and clues as to the order as more books are released. Perhaps the Black Library authors and Mr. Merrett have already plotted such things.

[The Anarchist]

ok well I'm assuming that two of the space wont be filled so maybe a bit of shuffling and changing can occur with these two missing primarchs. unless anyone has anything on Rubinek? though I will be impressed if that sort of details for a missing Primarch exists.

and Whitehorn damn good point about the amount of time spent on their planets and one I hadn't considered. guess just ignore my idea on that one.

[Xisor]

The trouble with 'working backwards' from how long they spent on their homeworld is that it makes a very grave (and flimsy) assumption: that the Primarchs arrived on their planet at the same time.

Simultaneity went out the window with Einstein's GR, and the addition of the Warp does nothing at all to make matters easier to understand.

Assuming things are framed relative to Terra Standard Time (i.e. the Imperial Calendar), then it's perfectly viable that some primarchs show up only a few years before they're found (and thus spend a good few decades 'not existing' in reality).

It's also possible they appear on their homeworlds in the same moments they disappear from Terra.

It's further possible that they appear on their homeworlds before they disappear on Terra.

Imagine: Dorn spends 80 years on Inwit. He is found in the thirtieth year of the Great Crusade. He might have appeared on Inwit fifty years before he disappeared on Terra.

To that end, Alpharius could have been leading his forces for centuries prior to Horus finding him, hence why Alpharius appears quite so extraordinarily adept when facing Horus' fleet; he could have centuries of experience at his back!

By the same token, someone, say Mortarion or Fulgrim, might well have only be fettering around on their worlds for at best a decade before being found; and that finding might have been quite late on.

My 'idle assumption' is that the 'highly Imperial' Primarchs spent only a relatively little time on their homeworlds compared to the 'highly distinctive' Primarchs. So Horus, Guilliman, Dorn and Fulgrim might have only spent a decade or three on their homeworlds. Someone like Russ, Magnus or Lorgar, though, might well havebeen smoldering on their homeworlds for many decades.

It's by no means conclusive, but it's another 'thread' in the timeline of the primarchs and adds a little more explanation to their character and 'nature'. (Horus evidently 'Imperialises' rather well, whereas Russ fails miserably!)

[grissom2006]

Their was a good thread on this ages ago that pretty much managed to create some order out of it all. Reading certain Codices and other sources lots of it fir into place very snuggly. I'll see if i can dig it up but it's that long ago i may not find it.

1. Horus was discovered first
2. Alpharius Omegon was discovered last
3. Perturabo was discovered before Angron and Guilliman (Source: After Desh'ea)
4. Magnus was discovered before Lorgar (as he, alongside the Emperor discovered Lorgar)
5. Fulgrim was discovered around 160 years before the Horus Heresy as his flagship was built then. (Source: Fulgrim)
6. The Lion was discovered before Russ
7. Fulgrim was discovered before Konrad Curze

[Rusty Initate]

Originally Posted by The Anarchist

ok well I'm assuming that two of the space wont be filled so maybe a bit of shuffling and changing can occur with these two missing primarchs. unless anyone has anything on Rubinek? though I will be impressed if that sort of details for a missing Primarch exists.

i got information on the missing 2 Primarchs

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Two_unknown_legions

[Inquisitor Engel]

I also got the impression that Jonson was found fairly early on as well and I gathered from Horus' fond feelings towards Sanguinius that they'd known each other well for some time (although it would HAVE to be after Ferrus and Fulgrim since they were introduced to him when they came back from their smelting contest.

[superdupermatt]

It's well established that Alpharius (and/or the other guy) was the last found, something like 200 years before the Big E left the Great Crusade. Lion was the first, which makes it odd that Horus was such a Daddy's boy.

[Gu Long: Ancient Dragon]

Originally Posted by superdupermatt

Lion was the first, which makes it odd that Horus was such a Daddy's boy.

No Horus was first. Lion was second IIRC. I think its in decent of angels but i cant check due to being in china (this is starting to get annoying) if anyone could check it.

Gu

[Inquisitor Engel]

Originally Posted by superdupermatt

Lion was the first, which makes it odd that Horus was such a Daddy's boy.

No, Horus was found first.

The Dark Angels are the first legion because The Emperor said so. (Likely because Jonson might have been the first CREATED in the tubes, or the first to have his gene-seed harvested for legion creation)

I believe that yes, Jonson was found second, or close to it, though the timeline of events between Descent of Angels and Fallen Angels makes that seem... iffy, although if he WAS found first, that would imply a MASSIVE time difference between the events on Sarosh and the events in the Gehinnom system.

I know some time has passed, but I don't recall exactly how many. For Jonson to be second, the gap should be between 175 and 200 years (roughly how long the Great Crusade had been going).