Oldest gw model still in the range?

[Tymell]

For Fantasy: Ignoring things like the Elementals (because they seem to me more like special classic models you can get online) I'd have thought the Skaven globadiers would be a contender. Especially when you consider that the Skaven book is only just being redone, and I haven't seen any sign of them being redone for it.

Trolls and Dragon Ogres would be others, maybe certain Dwarf models.

[grissom2006]

Would be good but they've had 2 versions that i know of. But some of the basic Skaven with hand weapons and such are old. Along with some of the different army swarm bases. Some of the Slayer models are older than others as well.

[AndrewGPaul]

Eltharion The Grim is a good contender - pretty much the only survivor from 4th edition Warhammer, I think. Either that or some of the Imperial cavalry. Those Poison Wind Globadiers came later, as did the Dwarves. The Empire army was renovated into the current style at the tail end of 3rd edition (1991-1992) and the High Elves were the first Warhammer Armies book, IIRC.

I can't check at the moment - did the Empire get new Knightly Order, Pistolier or Engineers minis in the last few years?

[grissom2006]

Originally Posted by AndrewGPaul

I can't check at the moment - did the Empire get new Knightly Order, Pistolier or Engineers minis in the last few years?

They got plastic sets but the Masters for the orders remained as was from my earlier post.

[ZeroTwentythree]

I took the OP to mean current range = currently for sale.

The classification as "collectors" is only a marketing classification arbitrarily determined by GW for certain figures. There are, for example, figures in the "collectors" category that are newer than some of the figures in the other categories.

Originally Posted by AndrewGPaul

Eltharion The Grim is a good contender - pretty much the only survivor from 4th edition Warhammer, I think. Either that or some of the Imperial cavalry. Those Poison Wind Globadiers came later, as did the Dwarves. The Empire army was renovated into the current style at the tail end of 3rd edition (1991-1992) and the High Elves were the first Warhammer Armies book, IIRC.

The Empire list was in White Dwarf when 3rd edition was still around, before army came out officially as a 4th ed. book. But IIRC they had the figures at that time. So I think the links someone posted above (War Altar, etc.) should be older than the HE or Skaven figures.


I'm still not certain how that's different than the "collectors" figures, as they're still all being sold be GW, and in the case of the WAlter, you still have to mail order it.

[jimbobodoll]

I don't know why people think any model first released in the 1990s will be the oldest in either system. When talking about the oldest minis, there have been plenty of examples on these pages of 1980s citadel minis that are still in production and that can be bought... Perhaps we can limit our discussion of candidates to this decade?

[warmasterbond]

If we are talking about current range only and not stuff like collectors / bitz packs of older components, then its relatively easy.

40K has to be Eldar Warlocks (2 of the figures date back to RT and appear in the Blue/1991 Catalog).

Fantasy it would either be one of 3 things:
Snotlings (if the current blisters includes any of the ones in the Red/1991 Catalog) or otherwise one of the Empire Elector Counts (originally appeared in Green/1992 Catalog) or Stone Trolls (same catalog)

[perplexiti]

Originally Posted by AndrewGPaul

I was going to say one of the Eldar Warlocks (date from Rogue Trader) or the Epic Reaver Titan,, but yeah, those Elementals are probably the oldest.

perplexiti, Ulrik and Ragnar predate 2nd edition by about a year.

Cool as, I couldn't quite remember when exactly they came out, just a young fella back then. I've still got my Ragnar from when i started way back then(well in 2nd ed anyway, not rogue trader era.)

[BaloOrk]

Woah! many answers and opinions, i was however wondering about current range only, and not collectors stuff and such, like if i were to walk into a standard GW store, which model would be the oldest?

Soo, and what model was the first ever to be produced by Citadel Miniatures? (elementals?)

Cheers!

[Harry]

From my "A blast from the past" log:

Citadel miniatures first started in 1979
They announced the release of their first miniatures a short time later in White Dwarf issue 11!!!
My next mini was one of the ones that appeared in that first selection.

This first release was a strange mix of stuff, much of it was not very exciting, However their were a couple of gems amongst them.

FS5 Old wizard on throne was one of the gems.

FS was the code for Fantasy specials. This was one of the first to be shown in WD and it was also one of the only models to be retained when they remade the fantasy Specials range in 1982. It was however updated with a new wizard which was much nicer than the original and it is this wizard from FS5-2 that I have painted.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8235/img5011cv5.jpg

This guy was one of the first FA Series ... Fantasy Adventurers. FA8 Ranger W. Sword and Bow.
He was one of the first 14 minis released and appeared in WD 12 (1981)
The first Fantasy Adventurers were a strange mix of stuff and some of it was pretty dodgy TBH but this guy was the pick of the bunch. This opinion is rienforced by the fact that he was one of the only minis from the range to be included when the entire range was redone in 1982
I love this guys moustache.
Tally-ho chaps.

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8614/img5963r.jpg

[Harry]

Originally Posted by ZeroTwentythree

I'm almost certain I remember the Dragon Masters Dragon coming out after the elementals, and possibly some of the "dwarf adventurers."

It's been a while, so I'm willing to admit if I'm wrong on that.

edit: Stuff o' Legends says it's 1987.

http://www.solegends.com/citdragon/w...gonmasters.htm

Thats when it was released with Jes Goodwins High Elf riders as the Dragon Masters dragon, not when Nick Bibby originally sculpted it.

The Empire was the first army book but the army did, as you say appear in white dwarf a while before it appeared as a book ... with a full range of miniatures. although the steam tank, War wagon and War alter all appeared later.

[Baggers]

Wow Harry, once again I am jealous of your miniature collection . I must admit that I do love that Ranger model.

[synapse]

how about goblin wolves for a more mainstream choice?

[grissom2006]

Originally Posted by synapse

how about goblin wolves for a more mainstream choice?

Those came out after the plastic horse did.

[Poseidal]

In terms of widespread use and being in the main section for the army, I would say the 1990 Warlocks as well.

I think it's a testament to Jes Goodwin's original design, that they're still around. I actually think almost all of the range he produced then still look good (and maybe better than) compared to today's miniatures which not only says something about his sculpting skill but designs as well.

There's a mystical, maybe timeless quality to them.

(Also, I think the Bug Eye Farseer looks better than any of it's successors; it's a shame that's OOP)

How old is Karl Franz on Deathclaw and the War Altar? I don't think they're as old as the Warlocks but they do seem quite old.

[AndrewGPaul]

The three Knight Grand Masters are all older than Karl Franz, I think (but not by much). They came out before 4th edition, while the Emperor was released after the 4th edition game came out.

Actually, these guys are the oldest:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1140287

[grissom2006]

Originally Posted by AndrewGPaul

Actually, these guys are the oldest:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1140287

About WD 98 as i recall for those.

[jams86]

the warlocks may be old but they still hold up nicely with the current range

[ZeroTwentythree]

Originally Posted by BaloOrk

Woah! many answers and opinions, i was however wondering about current range only, and not collectors stuff and such, like if i were to walk into a standard GW store, which model would be the oldest?
Cheers!

Well, see, that's the trick. The War Altar isn't part of the collectors range, it's part of the "main" Empire range, but you still can't walk in to a store and buy it either. Same with some of the other figures since they've changed the packaging and made some things direct-only.

Which is why I was saying all their labeling is just arbitrary, anyway. Also why I was going with the idea that if it's currently in production and on their web page, it's fair game.

[grissom2006]

Face it increasingly more and more Metal Mini's are going Mail Order Only haven't seen blisters for Warlocks and Farseers in my GW for the past 2 months.

Jes when he did the Eldar range pretty much set the bench mark for them so it's only right that current lived upto the old. I'll still say though that when it comes to the Warlocks that 4 in that range all got released at the same time, so it's 4 models not 2 that are oldest for 40K.