Codex CSM - When would the next regular update be?

Prokrustes · 03-11-2009, 16:57

Now, I know even speaking of the CSM Codex is a very sensible topic, so I want to make clear that I dont want to complain about the codex or start a flame war or a whinge fest with this thread.

Simple question: If GW continues its normal way in updating codices, when would the CSM get a new one? (I dont believe that I will ever see a legion codex but not going off topic here)

Vedar · 03-11-2009, 17:12

My guess would be 2012-2013. It seems to be about 5-6 years between them and last one was out 2007. I agree they are not going to do a Legion Codex.

the-skylord · 03-11-2009, 17:14

Originally Posted by Vedar

My guess would be 2012-2013. It seems to be about 5-6 years between them and last one was out 2007.

That would make sense.

Bunnahabhain · 03-11-2009, 17:19

There is no regular cycle, it depends on too many factors.

Does anybody in the studio want to do it?
Does it make financial sense to do?
Is there a new model range to promote?
Does a new Edition make a new codex essential (applies to main codex loyalist marines only)?
etc
etc

Anarnaxe · 03-11-2009, 19:52

I know people do believe that 6 years between updates is a good practise, and it is. However there have been times when Games Workshop has updated a book much sooner then the 6 year mark. Look at when the 3rd edition Chaos Space Marine Codex was released and then look at when the 3.5 version was released. It was 3 years. I'm not saying that thats what going to happen now, I'm merely stating Games Workshop has had occasion to replace a problematic codex relatively quickly. I'm in no way saying the codex will be next year, merely its a possibility (though early 2011 is my guess)

Mannimarco · 03-11-2009, 20:13

i reckon we'll be into 6th ed before we see the new chaos codex (which probably wont be Legions)

Urath · 03-11-2009, 20:22

Originally Posted by Mannimarco

i reckon we'll be into 6th ed before we see the new chaos codex (which probably wont be Legions)

I suppose, if we were thinking sensibly, this would make the most sense. Honestly? I can see it being redone after the current/and speculated line up. Perhaps it'll be done, in a similar manner to the current Codex as well as Dark Angels and Eldar, in the form as a 'ready for 6th Edition Codex'.

Vaktathi · 03-11-2009, 22:10

going by GW's track record

2E CSM book 1996
3E CSM book 1999
3.5E CSM book 2002/2003
4E CSM book 2007

I'd expect the next one in late 2011 or 2012.

shabbadoo · 04-11-2009, 06:34

Apparently it is 2010, second half of the year.

Vandelan · 04-11-2009, 07:06

Originally Posted by shabbadoo

Apparently it is 2010, second half of the year.

Just in time for me to finish polishing my Black Templars army.

I'd love to be able to have fun with the around 10k points of Chaos that I have.

Argastes · 04-11-2009, 07:36

Originally Posted by shabbadoo

Apparently it is 2010, second half of the year.

Whoa, is this confirmed?

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PariahX · 04-11-2009, 08:20

Originally Posted by Illiterate Scribe

Alternatively, maybe OP actually does like the codex, which might not objectively be a 'turd', but might be subjective in its appeal, like everything else?

What human valuation is not subjective?

Are there values that exist independently of mankind?

No, subjective/objective cannot be used to win arguments anymore.
My subjective perception, independent of yours, has acquired various sensory perception with which it forms a judgement upon the subject (4.0). This judgement is based upon my self-serving needs in relation to a chaos codex. These self-serving needs, unsatisfied by 4.0 in so many diverse ways (I have gone on at length about Icons) therefore lead me to a negative valuation of 4.0 as a whole.

Yes, a subjective one.

But tell me, can any such valuation be "objective"?

If not, why then is the absent absolute seen to actually devalue the value?

Ah, but then it is only my "opinion" and carries less weight. The power of the absolute in the form of "objectivity" is such that it has .... authority ..... among certain minds.

And whether the OP likes 4.0 or not is no skin off my nose ....

Quote hurrrrrrr

Duuuurrrrr ......

Quote Anyway, yes, I'd guess some time around 2012. Long enough so that the internet can grow dearly attached to the 4e codex and throw its collective toys out of the pram when 'Codex:Chaos Legions 7e' gets released.

Dark Eldar need it more, man. You've got to admit that.

Or, GW need to stop supporting them and let them die. They've been in a sort of purgatory/limbo for years .....

03-11-2009, 16:57	#1
Prokrustes Veteran Sergeant Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Europe Posts: 102 iTrader: (0)	Codex CSM - When would the next regular update be? Now, I know even speaking of the CSM Codex is a very sensible topic, so I want to make clear that I dont want to complain about the codex or start a flame war or a whinge fest with this thread. Simple question: If GW continues its normal way in updating codices, when would the CSM get a new one? (I dont believe that I will ever see a legion codex but not going off topic here)

03-11-2009, 17:12	#2
Vedar Commander Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 509 iTrader: (0)	Re: Codex CSM - When would the next regular update be? My guess would be 2012-2013. It seems to be about 5-6 years between them and last one was out 2007. I agree they are not going to do a Legion Codex.

03-11-2009, 17:14	#3
the-skylord Commander Join Date: May 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 587 iTrader: (1)	Re: Codex CSM - When would the next regular update be? Originally Posted by Vedar My guess would be 2012-2013. It seems to be about 5-6 years between them and last one was out 2007. That would make sense.

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Bunnahabhain Chapter Master Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 5,294 iTrader: (1)	Re: Codex CSM - When would the next regular update be? There is no regular cycle, it depends on too many factors. Does anybody in the studio want to do it? Does it make financial sense to do? Is there a new model range to promote? Does a new Edition make a new codex essential (applies to main codex loyalist marines only)? etc etc __________________ In the Grim Darkness of the far future, there is only...inadequate FAQs, sloppy proofreading, and minimal playtesting. Originally Posted by Lord Cook Ah, Warseer, where someone always finds the exception.

03-11-2009, 19:52	#5
Anarnaxe Brother Sergeant Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ireland Posts: 40 iTrader: (0)	Re: Codex CSM - When would the next regular update be? I know people do believe that 6 years between updates is a good practise, and it is. However there have been times when Games Workshop has updated a book much sooner then the 6 year mark. Look at when the 3rd edition Chaos Space Marine Codex was released and then look at when the 3.5 version was released. It was 3 years. I'm not saying that thats what going to happen now, I'm merely stating Games Workshop has had occasion to replace a problematic codex relatively quickly. I'm in no way saying the codex will be next year, merely its a possibility (though early 2011 is my guess)

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03-11-2009, 20:22	#7
Urath Chapter Master Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The Rapture of Night. Posts: 2,113 iTrader: (1)	Re: Codex CSM - When would the next regular update be? Originally Posted by Mannimarco i reckon we'll be into 6th ed before we see the new chaos codex (which probably wont be Legions) I suppose, if we were thinking sensibly, this would make the most sense. Honestly? I can see it being redone after the current/and speculated line up. Perhaps it'll be done, in a similar manner to the current Codex as well as Dark Angels and Eldar, in the form as a 'ready for 6th Edition Codex'. __________________ 'Do Astartes Dream of Genetically Modified Sheep? - Both Loyalist and Traitor': http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227853 'The Lost Legions PT.II - Legio XI': http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230565 'The Age of Scouring - A Galaxy In Flames': http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231454

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Vandelan Chaplain Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Triangle/Triad, NC Posts: 160 iTrader: (0)	Re: Codex CSM - When would the next regular update be? Originally Posted by shabbadoo Apparently it is 2010, second half of the year. Just in time for me to finish polishing my Black Templars army. I'd love to be able to have fun with the around 10k points of Chaos that I have. __________________ W/L/D with Black Templars: 1/1/2 The REAL reason my Dark Elves are so good: Originally Posted by EvC It's not the book, it's just that Dark Elf players are without doubt the most skilful, objective, brilliant, devilishly handsome and above all completely modest players out there that they are simply too hard for the rest of us to hope to compete with

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Argastes Chapter Master Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,556 iTrader: (1)	Re: Codex CSM - When would the next regular update be? Originally Posted by shabbadoo Apparently it is 2010, second half of the year. Whoa, is this confirmed?

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PariahX Brother Sergeant Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 36 iTrader: (0)	Re: Codex CSM - When would the next regular update be? Originally Posted by Illiterate Scribe Alternatively, maybe OP actually does like the codex, which might not objectively be a 'turd', but might be subjective in its appeal, like everything else? What human valuation is not subjective? Are there values that exist independently of mankind? No, subjective/objective cannot be used to win arguments anymore. My subjective perception, independent of yours, has acquired various sensory perception with which it forms a judgement upon the subject (4.0). This judgement is based upon my self-serving needs in relation to a chaos codex. These self-serving needs, unsatisfied by 4.0 in so many diverse ways (I have gone on at length about Icons) therefore lead me to a negative valuation of 4.0 as a whole. Yes, a subjective one. But tell me, can any such valuation be "objective"? If not, why then is the absent absolute seen to actually devalue the value? Ah, but then it is only my "opinion" and carries less weight. The power of the absolute in the form of "objectivity" is such that it has .... authority ..... among certain minds. And whether the OP likes 4.0 or not is no skin off my nose .... Quote *hurrrrrrr* Duuuurrrrr ...... Quote Anyway, yes, I'd guess some time around 2012. Long enough so that the internet can grow dearly attached to the 4e codex and throw its collective toys out of the pram when 'Codex:Chaos Legions 7e' gets released. Dark Eldar need it more, man. You've got to admit that. Or, GW need to stop supporting them and let them die. They've been in a sort of purgatory/limbo for years ..... Last edited by PariahX; 04-11-2009 at 08:23.

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