2500 points Carnosaur List attempt

[Oldblood]

Hello everybody. I'm a new lizardmen player and only used a Slann in the few games I've played. I recently picked up a Carnosaur and I would like to use him in the next game, so I am trying to build a list around him. I will need some help with it though! Here is what I have in mind:

-Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur
Blade of Revered Tzunki, Amulet of Itzl

-Level 2 Skink Priest on EotG
Diadem, scroll

-Level 1 Skink Priest
2x scroll

-Skink Chief on Ancient Stegadon
Warspear

-18x Saurus Warriors with spears
Full command

-12x Skink Skirmishers

-12x Skink Skirmishers

-12x Skink Skirmishers

-3x Terradons

-Salamander + extra handler

-Salamander + extra handler

This puts me at 2174 points. I thought that I should add another block of Saurus or a unit of Cold Ones, unfortunately I don't have enough points for both.

Note that I want to keep this list friendly, so if it isn't friendly please let me know. I don't like to use more then one engine!

Any feedback or any suggestions to how I should use the remaining points is much appreciated! Thanks in advance.

[Malorian]

Should I assume the oldblood has the standard light armor and shield? Or did you miss it?

I think the list as it stands now is too elite and yet also doesn't go far enough to be a steg list. Personally I would either drop one of those expensive characters to get more solid troops or drop the spears saurus and salamanders to get more stegs.

But seeing as you want to keep it friendly you might also want to keep it just as it is

[Ax'ataxa]

you can take the chief away and add another 18 spear saurus and a unit of 3 krox to add some bulk to your army. And with the last 76 - 78 pts left, gear up your heroes and maybe add a lvl to the priest so you have a second dice to roll a spell you want ( hopefully) in heavens.

[Bard Harlock]

Honestly, I'd drop a complete unit of skink skirmishers and drop the remaining two units to ten models each instead of 12 each. I'd also drop the champion and musician from the Saurus unit.

This would still leave you with two skirmishing lines and you can use the Terradons in much the same way as a skirmishing unit. Then I would add another block of 18 spear Saurus with standard and a unit of five cold one cavalry with full command which would leave you with 3 whole points to spare out of 2500.

This way you add those two units that you really seemed to want.

ETA: You might want to check my math, but I think it was right, as I went off of the points you had left, adding the deleted skinks and command units from the Saurus block you already had. If your math was right, this should be too.

[lizardmaster]

lol, the saurus comand is worth it's weight in gold. Not only does it make the unit more effective, it also adds more character and allows you take/declare challenges. Challenges are great for making a more personal touch to your game, and keeps that nasty dragon rider from depleeting your ranks.

As for the extra point, you've already got a solid list. Think of something you wasnt to achieve such as defense, taking out war machines, or quickly taking and holding a flank. Just add a unit that will achieve this objective and will be fun to use in the game.

[Bard Harlock]

Originally Posted by lizardmaster

lol, the saurus comand is worth it's weight in gold. Not only does it make the unit more effective, it also adds more character and allows you take/declare challenges. Challenges are great for making a more personal touch to your game, and keeps that nasty dragon rider from depleeting your ranks.

LOL? Really? That one extra attack for the cost of another Saurus with spear altogether and a +1 on Leadership when fleeing when you're already tossing three dice because of cold-blooded for the cost of a skink is "worth it's weight in gold"? I don't think so. Plus, the guy said he wanted an extra unit of Saurus and Cold One Cavalry. Now he has them.

[Oldblood]

Thanks for all the feedback Yes Malorian, the Oldblood has light armor/shield. As for the chief, I don't know how effective the war spear is, but 2d6+1 S6 impact hits sounds really good on paper. I don't have the intention to make a steg list, just a solid, balanced list that is fun to play with/against. I went with Bard Harlocks suggestion to drop some skinks for points and add Saurus and Cav.

My list now:

-Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur
General, Light armor, shield, Blade of Revered Tzunki, Amulet of Itzl

-Level 2 Skink Priest on EotG
Diadem, scroll

-Level 1 Skink Priest
2x scroll

-Skink Chief on Ancient Stegadon
Warspear, BSB

-18x Saurus Warriors with spears
Full command

-18x Saurus Warriors with spears
banner, musician

-5x Cold one Cavalry
banner, musician

-10x Skink Skirmishers

-10x Skink Skirmishers

-3x Terradons

-Salamander + extra handler

-Salamander + extra handler

Think this is better? Or maybe I really should drop the chief after all and get a scar vet? Maybe I should make the priest level 2, but I am not aiming for a good magic phase, just want some magic defense.

[Bard Harlock]

That looks like a very fun list to me! Enough models and variety to be very fun to play against too.

[Malorian]

Only thing I would do now is drop 1 scroll to make that chief a BSB.

[Oldblood]

Originally Posted by Malorian

Only thing I would do now is drop 1 scroll to make that chief a BSB.

Chief is a BSB Forgot to mention that as well.

[jthdotcom]

Can the chief still have the warspear if he is BSB?

[Bard Harlock]

Originally Posted by jthdotcom

Can the chief still have the warspear if he is BSB?

Actually, no. A Skink BSB can't have any other magic items aside from a magic banner.

[jthdotcom]

I thought so, its only the slann who can have the BSB on top of his normal allowance

[Bard Harlock]

Originally Posted by jthdotcom

I thought so, its only the slann who can have the BSB on top of his normal allowance

Correct. This is stated in a boxed block of text on the bottom of page 93 of the Army Book. Sorry, Oldblood. It's not a terrible dilemma though.

[theunwantedbeing]

Originally Posted by Bard Harlock

Actually, no. A Skink BSB can't have any other magic items aside from a magic banner.

You mean a Skink BsB that has been given a magical banner.
A skink BsB without a magical banner is free to spend his 50pts of items on any non magic banner items that he wishes.
Only if he carries a magical banner is he disallowed from spending that 50pts of items.

So a BsB with the warspear is 100% legal.

The list looks reasonable enough.
Not a particularly big army though.

[Bard Harlock]

Originally Posted by theunwantedbeing

You mean a Skink BsB that has been given a magical banner.
A skink BsB without a magical banner is free to spend his 50pts of items on any non magic banner items that he wishes.
Only if he carries a magical banner is he disallowed from spending that 50pts of items.

So a BsB with the warspear is 100% legal.

The list looks reasonable enough.
Not a particularly big army though.

Ah ha, thanks for pointing out the wording. It is indeed worded that way.

ETA: Bigger isn't always better.

[Gaargod]

Skink chief with warspear and BSB on ancient steg is actually a very common build for this very reason. Hits like a train but is LD7 stubborn rerollable coldblooded (which is almost as unbreakable as TG).

Also, i'd personally go with Glyph Necklace over Amulet of Itzl.

I feel you could do with upgrading the 2nd priest to lv2. Gives you a passable magic offense - maybe drop a scroll (still have 7 DD and 2 scrolls if needed) and the champ from saurus (really doesn't do that much) to get the pts for it.

Otherwise a very nice list balanced list.

[Oldblood]

Originally Posted by Gaargod

Skink chief with warspear and BSB on ancient steg is actually a very common build for this very reason. Hits like a train but is LD7 stubborn rerollable coldblooded (which is almost as unbreakable as TG).

Also, i'd personally go with Glyph Necklace over Amulet of Itzl.

I feel you could do with upgrading the 2nd priest to lv2. Gives you a passable magic offense - maybe drop a scroll (still have 7 DD and 2 scrolls if needed) and the champ from saurus (really doesn't do that much) to get the pts for it.

Otherwise a very nice list balanced list.

Yes, I think I will make those changes. Puts me at 2499 points instead of 2501 so that would avoid any argument But why do you think the 5+ ward save is better then the one use 2+?

[lizardmaster]

For the first 5-6 years I was playing I thought the same thing about the champion. Have you ever decided to use hand weopon/shield instead of spears? Just because you equiped spears doesn't mean you have to use them every time, the extra armour save can be priceless. Whether using the equipped hand weopon or shield, there's been times when all the rank and file models were killed before I got to attack back. I recall one time several years ago when a group of chaos knights with a wounded lord charged my spearmen and killed 11-12 in my 5 wide unit. With the champion still able to attack (doesn't die with the other models) he finished off the lord with a poor armour save from my opponent. That bucket load of vp's won that game and the tourney I was in. Aside from that a champion can easily prevent the loss of you rank and file troops at the hand of a powerful character. If you're only using 3 ranks you need to save as many models as possible and a sacrifice challenge is great at doing this.

As far as the steg goes, remember that a stubborn unit doesn't go off the characters ld. So a tg unit w/ slann has ld9 w/ stubborn ld 8, same with the steg. I think that last list is a solid list, I used a very similar one several times since the new book came out to great success. Just a point of advice, remember that the steg counts as character mounts, same as a dragon or cold one. Don't deploy them till you get to the character deployment and suprise your opponent. Also, to be fair to your opponent, remember that you can only save power dice to use as dispell dice from the character holding the diadem, not the ones in the pool or the other priest. I'm personally a huge fan of the 3 dispell dice and scroll set-up myself