Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized

Necron Munda · 07-11-2009, 05:51

Can the Monolith turn its particle whip while immobilized

Tethylis · 07-11-2009, 06:05

No, immobilized vehicles may not turn. The particle whip however may be fired from any of the weapon mounts on the corners so no need to turn it

animush · 07-11-2009, 06:08

Not sure exactly what you mean by turn its particle whip, if you mean in the sense of a turret so that it can fire backwards, i believe that the monolith can fire in any direction all of the time, as it doesn't really have a 'barrel', its power comes from the crystal on top, which would be capable of projecting its energy in any direction, but I could be wrong.

Nobody has ever contested the monoliths ability to shoot in any direction before.

CrownAxe · 07-11-2009, 08:33

The Cron FAQ has the Particle Whip fired from the 4 corner turrets, NOT the Crystal on top of the monolith

Necron Munda · 07-11-2009, 15:26

Do you measure from the guns on the corners for the particle whip, as well as line of sight from them?

grissom2006 · 07-11-2009, 15:38

Yes as per firing rules.

thewizard99 · 12-11-2009, 03:53

Stupid Question, but the 4 gun on the corners of the monolith do they move all the way left and right. as some could say there is a blind spot in the middle of the side of the monolith.
think where the portal is.

time wizard · 12-11-2009, 04:14

I just checked the monolith model. The gun mounts move enough (plus the 45 degree angle for hull mounted weapons) to cover the entire area around the monolith.

Makes it even scarier! A S9 pie plate with a 360 degree field of fire and a 24" range!

Look out!

Axeman1n · 12-11-2009, 04:35

They aren't turrets are they? Could one make the arguement that they are hull mounted and 45+45+45+45 is 180, not 360. There are 4 of them afterall. They would each need a 90 degree field to cover the 360, but that would still leave a blind spot in the middle of each cannon, so they would really need more of a 120degree arch of fire.

I believe the corners are in fact turrets, and have a 180 degree arch of fire. Giving the monlith 360degrees like it's supposed to.

time wizard · 12-11-2009, 04:41

Yep, that works too.

chromedog · 12-11-2009, 06:05

They have the arc of fire that the weapon mounts allow them to have.

This is generally adequate for the task.

Don't forget, RAW, Monoliths flux arc GAINs one shot per weapon destroyed result (because GW can not only not rite ingeesh proppa, they can't do basic arithmetic, either. subtract -1 and all that.)

Tethylis · 12-11-2009, 06:40

They are all mounted in ball turrets, moving left/right & up/down giving the mono quite a good fire arc. One on the better turret designs IMHO

Chairman_woo · 12-11-2009, 10:36

Originally Posted by chromedog

They have the arc of fire that the weapon mounts allow them to have.

This is generally adequate for the task.

Don't forget, RAW, Monoliths flux arc GAINs one shot per weapon destroyed result (because GW can not only not rite ingeesh proppa, they can't do basic arithmetic, either. subtract -1 and all that.)

What do you mean?

-1 to the number of hits rolled on the/each D6. Makes perfect sense to me roll a 4 -1 = 3 etc.

Am I missing something?

Rodzaju · 12-11-2009, 10:45

Yes.
The instruction is to subtract -1 from the D6.
a roll of 4 with 1 subtracted would be 3.
However, a roll of 4 with -1 subtracted would be 5.

Chairman_woo · 12-11-2009, 10:45

Oh wait I think I see your point "subtract -1" double negative etc. Still seems perfectly clear but ur point was RAW so fair doo's.

Chairman_woo · 12-11-2009, 10:52

Just a small question (this has caused a couple of rageing arguments with one of my regular opponents), Its D6 hits per unit in range right? My friend keeps argueing that it gets to shoot 4 times no matter what as there are 4 physical turrets on his lith!

Seems so obviousley wrong so me I cant hardly bring myself to argue, if nothing else the codex refers to flux arc projectors in the bloody plural, nevermind it specifically stateing per unit in range etc.

Did I miss something? He keeps useing the old "the guy in the shop says so" addage, which carries no weight with me at the best of times, blue shirts are just ppl like the rest of us!

Cheeslord · 12-11-2009, 10:56

He's mad - it clearly states in the codex its a single weapon which fires D6 shots at every elegible target in range. It can trace LOS from any turret. the multiple turrets are REPRESENTED in the rules by the "D6 shots at every unit" rule, as the turrets are independently blasting all about them and melting off peoples faces left right and centre.

Chairman_woo · 12-11-2009, 12:17

Originally Posted by Cheeslord

He's mad - it clearly states in the codex its a single weapon which fires D6 shots at every elegible target in range. It can trace LOS from any turret. the multiple turrets are REPRESENTED in the rules by the "D6 shots at every unit" rule, as the turrets are independently blasting all about them and melting off peoples faces left right and centre.

My thaughts precisely.

07-11-2009, 05:51	#1
Necron Munda Brother Sergeant Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Limerick Posts: 25 iTrader: (0)	Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized Can the Monolith turn its particle whip while immobilized

07-11-2009, 06:05	#2
Tethylis Veteran Sergeant Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sunny Sunderland Posts: 146 iTrader: (0)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized No, immobilized vehicles may not turn. The particle whip however may be fired from any of the weapon mounts on the corners so no need to turn it __________________ Overheard at the Gaming Table "Then he made my legs bend funny and he forced me to eat sand!! That monkey ain't right" "Ok forget for one moment the fact that you're all lawfull good, I really dont think using the torchbearer as a battering ram is going to work!"

07-11-2009, 06:08	#3
animush Veteran Sergeant Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 86 iTrader: (0)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized Not sure exactly what you mean by turn its particle whip, if you mean in the sense of a turret so that it can fire backwards, i believe that the monolith can fire in any direction all of the time, as it doesn't really have a 'barrel', its power comes from the crystal on top, which would be capable of projecting its energy in any direction, but I could be wrong. Nobody has ever contested the monoliths ability to shoot in any direction before.

07-11-2009, 08:33	#4
CrownAxe Chapter Master Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,090 iTrader: (0)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized The Cron FAQ has the Particle Whip fired from the 4 corner turrets, NOT the Crystal on top of the monolith __________________ 6 Warhammer and Warhammer 40K Armies 1 Army worth is actually painted

07-11-2009, 15:26	#5
Necron Munda Brother Sergeant Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Limerick Posts: 25 iTrader: (0)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized Do you measure from the guns on the corners for the particle whip, as well as line of sight from them?

07-11-2009, 15:38	#6
grissom2006 Chapter Master Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: On a planet near you. Posts: 2,846 iTrader: (0)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized Yes as per firing rules.

12-11-2009, 03:53	#7
thewizard99 Commander Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: in the land of the smogg, uk Posts: 826 iTrader: (1)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized Stupid Question, but the 4 gun on the corners of the monolith do they move all the way left and right. as some could say there is a blind spot in the middle of the side of the monolith. think where the portal is. __________________ Originally Posted by Gensuke626 As long as Thewizard99 doesn't go around giving his Heavy Flamer guy 2 wounds, It's cool

12-11-2009, 04:14	#8
time wizard Librarian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York, USA Posts: 391 iTrader: (0)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized I just checked the monolith model. The gun mounts move enough (plus the 45 degree angle for hull mounted weapons) to cover the entire area around the monolith. Makes it even scarier! A S9 pie plate with a 360 degree field of fire and a 24" range! Look out! __________________ "May the saints protect us from the gifted amateur." Chief Inspector Hubbard - Dial 'M' for Murder For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. - Benjamin Franklin

12-11-2009, 04:35	#9
Axeman1n Chaplain Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lawndale, CA Posts: 187 iTrader: (0)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized They aren't turrets are they? Could one make the arguement that they are hull mounted and 45+45+45+45 is 180, not 360. There are 4 of them afterall. They would each need a 90 degree field to cover the 360, but that would still leave a blind spot in the middle of each cannon, so they would really need more of a 120degree arch of fire. I believe the corners are in fact turrets, and have a 180 degree arch of fire. Giving the monlith 360degrees like it's supposed to.

12-11-2009, 04:41	#10
time wizard Librarian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York, USA Posts: 391 iTrader: (0)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized Yep, that works too. __________________ "May the saints protect us from the gifted amateur." Chief Inspector Hubbard - Dial 'M' for Murder For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise. - Benjamin Franklin

12-11-2009, 06:05	#11
chromedog Chapter Master Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 2,505 iTrader: (0)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized They have the arc of fire that the weapon mounts allow them to have. This is generally adequate for the task. Don't forget, RAW, Monoliths flux arc GAINs one shot per weapon destroyed result (because GW can not only not rite ingeesh proppa, they can't do basic arithmetic, either. subtract -1 and all that.) __________________ That is not dead which can eternal lie And yet, with strange aeons, even death may die. I am the guy who thought the LoTR movies were crap and liked Judge Dredd.

12-11-2009, 06:40	#12
Tethylis Veteran Sergeant Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sunny Sunderland Posts: 146 iTrader: (0)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized They are all mounted in ball turrets, moving left/right & up/down giving the mono quite a good fire arc. One on the better turret designs IMHO __________________ Overheard at the Gaming Table "Then he made my legs bend funny and he forced me to eat sand!! That monkey ain't right" "Ok forget for one moment the fact that you're all lawfull good, I really dont think using the torchbearer as a battering ram is going to work!"

12-11-2009, 10:36	#13
Chairman_woo Veteran Sergeant Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 97 iTrader: (0)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized Originally Posted by chromedog They have the arc of fire that the weapon mounts allow them to have. This is generally adequate for the task. Don't forget, RAW, Monoliths flux arc GAINs one shot per weapon destroyed result (because GW can not only not rite ingeesh proppa, they can't do basic arithmetic, either. subtract -1 and all that.) What do you mean? -1 to the number of hits rolled on the/each D6. Makes perfect sense to me roll a 4 -1 = 3 etc. Am I missing something?

12-11-2009, 10:45	#14
Rodzaju Chaplain Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 288 iTrader: (0)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized Yes. The instruction is to subtract -1 from the D6. a roll of 4 with 1 subtracted would be 3. However, a roll of 4 with -1 subtracted would be 5. __________________ Originally Posted by Gen.Steiner Rodzaju wins the thread.

12-11-2009, 10:52	#16
Chairman_woo Veteran Sergeant Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 97 iTrader: (0)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized Just a small question (this has caused a couple of rageing arguments with one of my regular opponents), Its D6 hits per unit in range right? My friend keeps argueing that it gets to shoot 4 times no matter what as there are 4 physical turrets on his lith! Seems so obviousley wrong so me I cant hardly bring myself to argue, if nothing else the codex refers to flux arc projectors in the bloody plural, nevermind it specifically stateing per unit in range etc. Did I miss something? He keeps useing the old "the guy in the shop says so" addage, which carries no weight with me at the best of times, blue shirts are just ppl like the rest of us!

12-11-2009, 10:56	#17
Cheeslord Brother Sergeant Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 58 iTrader: (0)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized He's mad - it clearly states in the codex its a single weapon which fires D6 shots at every elegible target in range. It can trace LOS from any turret. the multiple turrets are REPRESENTED in the rules by the "D6 shots at every unit" rule, as the turrets are independently blasting all about them and melting off peoples faces left right and centre.

12-11-2009, 12:17	#18
Chairman_woo Veteran Sergeant Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 97 iTrader: (0)	Re: Monolith and Rotating Particle Whip while immobilized Originally Posted by Cheeslord He's mad - it clearly states in the codex its a single weapon which fires D6 shots at every elegible target in range. It can trace LOS from any turret. the multiple turrets are REPRESENTED in the rules by the "D6 shots at every unit" rule, as the turrets are independently blasting all about them and melting off peoples faces left right and centre. My thaughts precisely.

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