Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II - Page 9

Vineas · 07-11-2009, 08:52

Win/Win for GW. Same goes for plastic Ravs. Put 3 in battleforce and maybe 8 gargoyles. They will sell like hotcakes (the battleforces) especially considering they are $85USD from the Warstore and then naturally if the rules are good (and I have lots of faith in RC as the new IG rock more than they have since 2nd edition IMO) you will see the Rav and Garg boxes fly off the shelf in January (or around Christmas GW will make a killing on people asking for the new battleforce once it is known that Ravs and Gargs are in it).

Not saying they will but it would be damn good marketing to do that. People will buy 2 or 3 BF's JUST for plastic Ravs and gargoyles a month early. I'd buy at least one.

Scryer in the Darkness · 07-11-2009, 10:01

Originally Posted by Shibboleth

For Aussie pricing these could be more likely to round out to $50 and $69 respectively, similar to other boxes in the same price range.

Nope. Those listed in the first post are the official GWOz prices.

Vermin-thing · 07-11-2009, 11:29

I wonder, would putting Raveners, and gargoyles in the new battle force kill the single box set sales? Case, and point: the fex.

MajorWesJanson · 07-11-2009, 12:29

Gargoyles, seeing as how they seem to be swarm type critters, I doubt adding 8 or so would hurt sales of the single boxes, as there are plenty of people who don't need the other stuff in the battleforce, or want to run larger broods than the handful you would get. At best, adding a few to the battleforce would make people want to run gargoyle units and buy a couple more boxes to expand the brood, or buy multiple battleforces. At worst, people who only want a few to build/paint will either choose the battleforce to get the other units and a handful of gargoyles, or wait and buy the single box later.

Ravenors I doubt would make an appearance, as they displace the warriors, and warriors are a fairly staple unit.

HsojVvad · 07-11-2009, 15:17

It would be great for someone like me who wants gaunts gaunts guants, but for people who don't want them, and want an extra carni, why would they spend an extra $70 of mini's they don't want, and just want the carni? I don't think the carni sales were hurt at all, GW would have put a stop to it along time ago if it did. And I think GW would rather have people buying a $130 box than a $50 for the carni.

Remember it only costs GW pennies to make the molds, so if they selling more boxe sets than single carni's GW is making more money this way then. Put it this way, GW isn't loosing money from noone buying single Carini's, GW is making money from people buying more gaunts and stealers, just to get that Carni

GW is not loosing money, we are just saving money.

zandramas · 07-11-2009, 15:25

Make a new mold is far expensive, if you produce a large amount of models then it "disolves".

PhalanxLord · 07-11-2009, 15:45

Originally Posted by mencius

Yeah i noticed that too. Did the Red Terror used to be fast attack as its in the fast attack spot? If it never used to be fast attack that pretty much confirms it. If it did then.. eh. Still pretty juicy.

The Red Terror has always been a fast attack choice.

Originally Posted by twistinthunder

after reading this ive changed my mind genestealer should remain troops.

yeah as long as the dex gets here and it's not horrendously bad i will be happy.

The moment I said I didn't think you'd change your mind you changed it. Lol.

Originally Posted by Ivellis

I think it would be fine if there was a Genestealer special character that was actually a unique individual though. Since genestealers are different than the rest of the nids.

I don't think so. It would still be a single Broodlord in an entire galaxy and unlike SM characters when broodlord infiltrate areas they tend to stay there for a very very long time. Cults usually take several generations to control the planet. Considering that Kraken and Leviathan are both relatively new enemies (having both appeared within the last 50 years of 40K IIRC) then its unlikely that the broodlord would have infiltrated more than a couple of worlds at most and therefore isn't much of a legendary figure.

Now if it were a special specialized version of a broodlord, then there couple be several rare occasions where it could have appeared and therefore made it a semi-well known and dangerous variant.

Does anyone else hope that nid "special characters" are just 0-1 rather than Unique? Considering that no nid is unique, it would make sense to have multiples of them in larger games such as Apoc.

zandramas · 07-11-2009, 16:12

Originally Posted by PhalanxLord

Does anyone else hope that nid "special characters" are just 0-1 rather than Unique? Considering that no nid is unique, it would make sense to have multiples of them in larger games such as Apoc.

That would make sense, although is the same in gameterms, is fluffywise xD

Murphy's law · 07-11-2009, 16:32

Originally Posted by Marneus Calgar

Genestealers with infiltrate, scuttlers, fleet, and counted as troops. I would like nothing more than an army of Genestealers being able to assault on turn one.

Infiltrating genestealers is 100% fluffy.

Warpcrafter · 07-11-2009, 17:39

Considering that Tyranids are an overwhelmingly unit-based army rather than being dependent on individual models such as heroes, it won't matter what they put in the battleforce because people just starting an army will probably end up buying multiples. Maybe not all at once, but eventually.

HisBrettness · 07-11-2009, 17:53

I'm sorry, if this has been mentioned before, but I dont have the time to read through all 9 pages, but I have news on the Raveners. Obviously there is a kind of search function in the new GW cash-system, and a friend of mine (a GW employee) searched it for the codes of Tyranid plastic boxes, and there appeared Raveners for 35 Euros and the seperated gaunts both for 19,50 Euros.
So apparantly the last Tyranid plastic Set will be Ravenors

catbarf · 07-11-2009, 18:12

It's in the first post of this thread. It would have hardly taken thirty seconds to find it.

twistinthunder · 07-11-2009, 18:17

Originally Posted by PhalanxLord

The moment I said I didn't think you'd change your mind you changed it. Lol.

can i use that for my sig?

jamesterjlrb · 07-11-2009, 20:23

I don't know if this has been mentioned, it didn't seem to be in the summary post, but my local GW manager who is in the loop on these things told me today that Tyranids have officially been delayed to late January due to printing problems.
So not too much but 2 or 3 weeks by the sounds of things.

twistinthunder · 07-11-2009, 20:28

yeah thats already been accounted for.

see: first post "released jan 16th" used to be jan 2nd has been delayed till the 16th.

jamesterjlrb · 07-11-2009, 21:13

fair nough, sorry

Rick Blaine · 07-11-2009, 22:02

Originally Posted by reds8n

...would people be horrendously annoyed if there had been a ^&*% up at the printers ( IMAGINE ! 1111 ) and the full codex was released say.. two weeks later than currently "thought" ?

..yes ? Well... tough I guess.

Maybe the Codex got leaked and now they're gonna change everything out of spite

Tiller5 · 07-11-2009, 22:29

It's a shame the Codex has been delayed due to printing errors but, to be honest, this could be a good thing.

There have been many examples of grammar and spelling errors in Games Workshop publications, Codicies included, so at least this gives me hope there won't be many, if any, in this rendition.

Contrary to what most people think, I quite like this lockdown on rumours - it means I will appreciate the new releases much more upon their disclosure to the public. For example, we have a few details about the Venomthrope, but nothing about the Hive Guard - good!

zandramas · 07-11-2009, 22:41

I dont know what those details are xD

Vineas · 07-11-2009, 22:48

I feel the same Tiller but there are those that want to know everything in the codex a month early. I mean most WILL be known when the stores get their black box copy in late December but I've read/posted in every rumor thread since becoming a member and it amazes me how people bitch when they don't know enough about a codex 6 weeks early to be able to start using it.

GW clamping down also keeps people from seeing 95% of a codex early, hating it (like what happened with Chaos SM codex) and not buying it. If rumor is to be believed (and it can't be proven) most Chaos players didn't buy the new codex. If that is true GW benefits in not revealing too much because it means people won't know if it's good or bad until the day it's out, meaning in theory GW sells more. Even if 80% of the people buying a new codex end up ebaying it GW still got their money.

Damn, 2 more weeks. Ugh. Guess it'll give me extra time to make my 'Nid army look nicer painting wise.

07-11-2009, 08:52	#161
Vineas Commander Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 715 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II Win/Win for GW. Same goes for plastic Ravs. Put 3 in battleforce and maybe 8 gargoyles. They will sell like hotcakes (the battleforces) especially considering they are $85USD from the Warstore and then naturally if the rules are good (and I have lots of faith in RC as the new IG rock more than they have since 2nd edition IMO) you will see the Rav and Garg boxes fly off the shelf in January (or around Christmas GW will make a killing on people asking for the new battleforce once it is known that Ravs and Gargs are in it). Not saying they will but it would be damn good marketing to do that. People will buy 2 or 3 BF's JUST for plastic Ravs and gargoyles a month early. I'd buy at least one. __________________ Originally Posted by Burning Star IV Oh my yes! Because, y'know, I once made a miniature working chainfist also, to get into my car in the event that I locked my keys inside. And alas, when I locked my keys in the car and attempted to use the chainfist to force an entry, all it did was ruin the paint on an otherwise perfectly good Ford Taurus.

07-11-2009, 10:01	#162
Scryer in the Darkness Chapter Master Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Western Australia Posts: 2,253 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II Originally Posted by Shibboleth For Aussie pricing these could be more likely to round out to $50 and $69 respectively, similar to other boxes in the same price range. Nope. Those listed in the first post are the official GWOz prices. __________________ Who knows what eldritch horrors lurk in the darkness that lies beyond the wall of sleep... Originally Posted by Harry It is not much fun to see folks here upset and 'up in arms' about stuff I know is wrong. ^QFT.

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Vermin-thing Commander Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: In your kript, waiting for NOVEMBER, and Skaven! Posts: 765 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II I wonder, would putting Raveners, and gargoyles in the new battle force kill the single box set sales? Case, and point: the fex. __________________ Rumours of rumours??? thats warseer "I could have died"! "Looks like you lost this game in the "purchase models" phase." Armies that are done: 2k high elves Armies in progress: Skaven, Vampire Counts "Alright, your vampire just died. Roll for crumble." "...hah! You've fallen into my trap!..." My Eshin spies prevail again.

07-11-2009, 12:29	#164
MajorWesJanson Chapter Master Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,925 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II Gargoyles, seeing as how they seem to be swarm type critters, I doubt adding 8 or so would hurt sales of the single boxes, as there are plenty of people who don't need the other stuff in the battleforce, or want to run larger broods than the handful you would get. At best, adding a few to the battleforce would make people want to run gargoyle units and buy a couple more boxes to expand the brood, or buy multiple battleforces. At worst, people who only want a few to build/paint will either choose the battleforce to get the other units and a handful of gargoyles, or wait and buy the single box later. Ravenors I doubt would make an appearance, as they displace the warriors, and warriors are a fairly staple unit. __________________ Crazy things happened, and the next thing you know, Lion El'Jonson's missing, Luther's insane, and Caliban is a field of debris. Originally Posted by Shadowheart It's like turning to Chaos or something. You start out with good, reasonable, realistic intentions and you wind up with so many little men that they have their own administrative staff. I'm not even going to tell you what milestone number of metal Guard they recently reported to me.

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HsojVvad Chapter Master Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,844 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II It would be great for someone like me who wants gaunts gaunts guants, but for people who don't want them, and want an extra carni, why would they spend an extra $70 of mini's they don't want, and just want the carni? I don't think the carni sales were hurt at all, GW would have put a stop to it along time ago if it did. And I think GW would rather have people buying a $130 box than a $50 for the carni. Remember it only costs GW pennies to make the molds, so if they selling more boxe sets than single carni's GW is making more money this way then. Put it this way, GW isn't loosing money from noone buying single Carini's, GW is making money from people buying more gaunts and stealers, just to get that Carni GW is not loosing money, we are just saving money. __________________ PRIUSQUAM PRAESENS DAMNATUS SALVENS : HIC HOMO NESCIENS. QUAE FUTURA EST ? EST PLANE VANUM? MAGNIFICANDUM? ERROR AUT SANUM? O FORTUNA EST! QUA?

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zandramas Veteran Sergeant Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 76 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II Make a new mold is far expensive, if you produce a large amount of models then it "disolves". __________________ The Great Devourer, the Doom of All Things, the Penance of the Elder Gods, the Shadow in the Warp Tyranids 1500, 5ª V/E/D 12/1/0 (en hibernación genética) Space Marines, 5ª V/E/D 71/8/4 GT Heat 1 2009 1st place

07-11-2009, 15:45	#167
PhalanxLord Chaplain Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 282 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II Originally Posted by mencius Yeah i noticed that too. Did the Red Terror used to be fast attack as its in the fast attack spot? If it never used to be fast attack that pretty much confirms it. If it did then.. eh. Still pretty juicy. The Red Terror has always been a fast attack choice. Originally Posted by twistinthunder after reading this ive changed my mind genestealer should remain troops. yeah as long as the dex gets here and it's not horrendously bad i will be happy. The moment I said I didn't think you'd change your mind you changed it. Lol. Originally Posted by Ivellis I think it would be fine if there was a Genestealer special character that was actually a unique individual though. Since genestealers are different than the rest of the nids. I don't think so. It would still be a single Broodlord in an entire galaxy and unlike SM characters when broodlord infiltrate areas they tend to stay there for a very very long time. Cults usually take several generations to control the planet. Considering that Kraken and Leviathan are both relatively new enemies (having both appeared within the last 50 years of 40K IIRC) then its unlikely that the broodlord would have infiltrated more than a couple of worlds at most and therefore isn't much of a legendary figure. Now if it were a special specialized version of a broodlord, then there couple be several rare occasions where it could have appeared and therefore made it a semi-well known and dangerous variant. Does anyone else hope that nid "special characters" are just 0-1 rather than Unique? Considering that no nid is unique, it would make sense to have multiples of them in larger games such as Apoc. __________________ Armies: Tyranids and Space Wolves W/L/D: OVERFLOW_ERROR/-INF/j

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zandramas Veteran Sergeant Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 76 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II Originally Posted by PhalanxLord Does anyone else hope that nid "special characters" are just 0-1 rather than Unique? Considering that no nid is unique, it would make sense to have multiples of them in larger games such as Apoc. That would make sense, although is the same in gameterms, is fluffywise xD __________________ The Great Devourer, the Doom of All Things, the Penance of the Elder Gods, the Shadow in the Warp Tyranids 1500, 5ª V/E/D 12/1/0 (en hibernación genética) Space Marines, 5ª V/E/D 71/8/4 GT Heat 1 2009 1st place

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Murphy's law Librarian Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 440 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II Originally Posted by Marneus Calgar Genestealers with infiltrate, scuttlers, fleet, and counted as troops. I would like nothing more than an army of Genestealers being able to assault on turn one. Infiltrating genestealers is 100% fluffy.

07-11-2009, 17:39	#170
Warpcrafter Librarian Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 378 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II Considering that Tyranids are an overwhelmingly unit-based army rather than being dependent on individual models such as heroes, it won't matter what they put in the battleforce because people just starting an army will probably end up buying multiples. Maybe not all at once, but eventually. __________________ A dilligent Commissar does not waste breath on an admonition that may correct a single trooper when a summary execution serves to straighten out the entire platoon. I know your pain. Join the paint-straight-out-the-pot club

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HisBrettness Brother Sergeant Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Aachen Germany Posts: 50 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II I'm sorry, if this has been mentioned before, but I dont have the time to read through all 9 pages, but I have news on the Raveners. Obviously there is a kind of search function in the new GW cash-system, and a friend of mine (a GW employee) searched it for the codes of Tyranid plastic boxes, and there appeared Raveners for 35 Euros and the seperated gaunts both for 19,50 Euros. So apparantly the last Tyranid plastic Set will be Ravenors __________________ this is blasphemy...this is BRETTNESS! Brettness? THIS IS SPARTA!!!

07-11-2009, 18:12	#172
catbarf Chapter Master Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Fort Washington, PA Posts: 4,155 iTrader: (7)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II It's in the first post of this thread. It would have hardly taken thirty seconds to find it. __________________ Originally Posted by scarletsquig Well, to be fair, a converted defiler with a gigantic erect penis instead of a battle cannon isn't exactly the kinda thing they want in a store that lots of kids go into... Originally Posted by bocaj wot are Grammarines If you think Mathammer doesn't work and dice cannot be predicted, there's a whole field of mathematics called probability that would like to disagree. Currently selling lots of Guard, mostly unassembled, at less than half retail

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twistinthunder Chaplain Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 175 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II Originally Posted by PhalanxLord The moment I said I didn't think you'd change your mind you changed it. Lol. can i use that for my sig?

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jamesterjlrb Brother Sergeant Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: UK Posts: 56 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II I don't know if this has been mentioned, it didn't seem to be in the summary post, but my local GW manager who is in the loop on these things told me today that Tyranids have officially been delayed to late January due to printing problems. So not too much but 2 or 3 weeks by the sounds of things.

07-11-2009, 20:28	#175
twistinthunder Chaplain Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 175 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II yeah thats already been accounted for. see: first post "released jan 16th" used to be jan 2nd has been delayed till the 16th. __________________ Originally Posted by PhalanxLord The moment I said I didn't think you'd change your mind you changed it. Lol. wanna help me out? go here: http://consoles.freebiejeebies.co.uk/137680

07-11-2009, 21:13	#176
jamesterjlrb Brother Sergeant Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: UK Posts: 56 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II fair nough, sorry

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Rick Blaine Chaplain Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 228 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II Originally Posted by reds8n ...would people be horrendously annoyed if there had been a ^&*% up at the printers ( IMAGINE ! 1111 ) and the full codex was released say.. two weeks later than currently "thought" ? ..yes ? Well... tough I guess. Maybe the Codex got leaked and now they're gonna change everything out of spite __________________ Of all the threads in all the forums in all the world you had to post into this one.

07-11-2009, 22:29	#178
Tiller5 Librarian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Currently Mende, Lozère, France Posts: 411 iTrader: (24)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II It's a shame the Codex has been delayed due to printing errors but, to be honest, this could be a good thing. There have been many examples of grammar and spelling errors in Games Workshop publications, Codicies included, so at least this gives me hope there won't be many, if any, in this rendition. Contrary to what most people think, I quite like this lockdown on rumours - it means I will appreciate the new releases much more upon their disclosure to the public. For example, we have a few details about the Venomthrope, but nothing about the Hive Guard - good! __________________ Originally Posted by blackcherry This man speaks the truth Last edited by Tiller5; 07-11-2009 at 22:30. Reason: Ironic spelling mistake!

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zandramas Veteran Sergeant Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 76 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II I dont know what those details are xD __________________ The Great Devourer, the Doom of All Things, the Penance of the Elder Gods, the Shadow in the Warp Tyranids 1500, 5ª V/E/D 12/1/0 (en hibernación genética) Space Marines, 5ª V/E/D 71/8/4 GT Heat 1 2009 1st place

07-11-2009, 22:48	#180
Vineas Commander Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 715 iTrader: (0)	Re: Tyranid Rumour summary Mark II I feel the same Tiller but there are those that want to know everything in the codex a month early. I mean most WILL be known when the stores get their black box copy in late December but I've read/posted in every rumor thread since becoming a member and it amazes me how people bitch when they don't know enough about a codex 6 weeks early to be able to start using it. GW clamping down also keeps people from seeing 95% of a codex early, hating it (like what happened with Chaos SM codex) and not buying it. If rumor is to be believed (and it can't be proven) most Chaos players didn't buy the new codex. If that is true GW benefits in not revealing too much because it means people won't know if it's good or bad until the day it's out, meaning in theory GW sells more. Even if 80% of the people buying a new codex end up ebaying it GW still got their money. Damn, 2 more weeks. Ugh. Guess it'll give me extra time to make my 'Nid army look nicer painting wise. __________________ Originally Posted by Burning Star IV Oh my yes! Because, y'know, I once made a miniature working chainfist also, to get into my car in the event that I locked my keys inside. And alas, when I locked my keys in the car and attempted to use the chainfist to force an entry, all it did was ruin the paint on an otherwise perfectly good Ford Taurus.

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