Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? - Page 3

ryng_sting · 08-11-2008, 16:52

Originally Posted by Count Demandred

Correction, he and his horde have disappeared within the Sylvanian borders.

Another exerpt from the Vampire book states (that Tavern Storytellers claim

) that Mannfred marched from Drakenhoff Castle to meet the Chaos Horde head on.

Couple that with:

2523 - Warbands following the Chaos Lord Vardek Crom cross Peak Pass and descend into Sylvannia. None emerge from its borders, and it's rumoured a great Undead army has been raised from their bodies.

The horde that marched to Middenheim was raised from dead marauders - Crom's vanguard. They rode into Sylvania while the bulk of his horde were fighting at Karak Kadrin. Mannfred is returning to Sylvania from the west just as Crom is entering it from the east.

Dargon · 12-11-2008, 01:06

Originally Posted by Count Demandred

Firstly, could Mannfred defeat, and then 'convert' someone as close to Chaos as Crom?

And secondly, would he?

Theoretically, Nagash himself could be brought down by a Halfling if GW had it in their minds to do it. It's a fantasy universe where anything (with permission I hope

) could happen at the authors whim - logical or not. Eltharion, who apparently couldn't raise a hand to Malekith when he had his own magical powers, later managed to not only stand up to Malekith after he lost his magic and sight, but even wounded the Witch-King. Anything is potentially possible.

It has happened before. Krell was likewise a mighty Chaos Champion in life before Nagash raised him back from death as an undead Wight Lord. Theoretically Mannfred could do the same to Crom if GW wished, as the precedent is there. As for killing Crom in the first place, Crom may be unrivalled in close-combat, but I imagine Mannfred would happily use his necromancy to drain Crom's life away from a distance.

On the other hand, Krell already exists, so why repeat this scenario all over again with Crom?

Originally Posted by Count Demandred

Maybe the Great Necromancer himself has some hand in all of this...

Also potentially possible. One of the more interesting plot threads of the SoC was Nagash's refusal to emerge to face the forces of Settra. It really begs the question - was Nagash even at home? Could it be that Nagash is already abroad in the world... perhaps within Sylvania? Unlike many vampires, Mannfred's history certainly doesn't discount a potential alliance with Nagash.

Assumptions and theories aside, GW themselves probably don't yet know Crom's true fate, and likely never will until one of the Authors feels inspired to pick up where Crom's story left off.

Just a thought...

C-Coen · 13-11-2008, 16:13

Originally Posted by Dargon

Nagash himself could be brought down by a Halfling if GW had it in their minds to do it

You did think up that's a story pretty much known as 'The Lord of the Rings?

Originally Posted by Dargon

On the other hand, Krell already exists, so why repeat this scenario all over again with Crom?

Which is why I think it would be nice to have him become a vampire, instead of a Wight..!

Urgat · 14-11-2008, 00:59

Originally Posted by Count Demandred

Well then what is all that in the Vampire Book then?

Considering he's so popular amongst the GW faithful, he'd have been a special Character in the WOC book had he not disappeared within Sylvania (like it's been stated within the Vampire Book).

And anyway, SOC is pretty much happening according to this entry within the WOC Timeline:

2522 - Archaon, Lord of the End Times, musters an army of Chaos larger than any that have gone before. The combined horde marches against the armies of the Old World in the invasion known today as the STORM OF CHAOS. (it's capitaled like that in the book)

Well yeah, there's the VC entry, but would that prevent them from having him anyway? It's not like they don't put dead characters (if you have the VC book, you should know

). I don't think they ever liked him much really. He played little to no role in the SoC campaign fluff, in the end.

And yeah, the WoC entry states that Archaon starts the SoC, but nothing about what happens during SoC. You'd think they'd mention Valten or the most (in)famous headbutt in the warhammer history in there, or in Archaon's description on his rules page... but nope, nothing. It's like they've erased everything that happened in SoC, which is probably what they did, if you ask me.

(and every name is capitalized in this page

)

w3rm · 16-11-2008, 16:22

Didn't Grimgor kick Archaon's sorry ass to hell?

KharnTheBetrayer01 · 16-11-2008, 23:47

Grimgor attacked Archaon from behind after Archaon had smote both the living embodiment of Sigmar and the living embodiment of the Empires hatred of Chaos. (Valten and Luthor Huss)

Thats not a victory worthy of Grimgor, thats a Cowardly Goblin (Or elf even!) thing to do.

shredshredxx · 19-11-2008, 06:54

psh.

you guys are just mad archaon gor dominated!!

it's a fact.

science.

i read it.

in a book.

KharnTheBetrayer01 · 19-11-2008, 13:15

Grimgor fought Crom to a standstill

Archaon handed Crom his ass on a platter.

Crom = Grimgor, Archaon > Crom, ergo Archaon > Grimgor.

Forget your book-based science, thats maths that is!

And Maths Pwns Science

Archaon / (Valten x Luther Huss) < Archaon

Grimgor beat a shadow of Archaons might, therefor he's not "Da Best!"

As for Crom... Lets say he stabbed Grimgor as the orc left the battlefield, skinned himand is now wandering around leading an army of Black Orcs while wearing a particularly angry hat.

they fight as well as each other, they both lead large armies of angry angry people...who would honestly notice the difference? Crom isn't mutated after all. Wearing an Orc suit he'd be the spitting image of Old ironhide.

penguin663 · 19-11-2008, 16:26

Originally Posted by KharnTheBetrayer01

Grimgor fought Crom to a standstill

Archaon handed Crom his ass on a platter.

Crom = Grimgor,
...

they fight as well as each other, they both lead large armies of angry angry people...who would honestly notice the difference? Crom isn't mutated after all. Wearing an Orc suit he'd be the spitting image of Old ironhide.

Maybe Crom IS Grimgor in a bizarre Fight Club like way

@shredshredxx
Just because it's in a book doesn't make it a fact, it make it less of a lie.

Jack of Blades · 19-11-2008, 16:36

Originally Posted by KharnTheBetrayer01

Crom = Grimgor, Archaon > Crom, ergo Archaon > Grimgor.

Just because your anti-tank gun can destroy a tank while 10 infantrymen cannot does not mean that the anti-tank gun is more powerful

I myself think Crom is way cooler than Archaon. He kicks ass, but doesn't make such a damn fuss out of it.

KharnTheBetrayer01 · 19-11-2008, 18:03

Originally Posted by Jack of Blades

Just because your anti-tank gun can destroy a tank while 10 infantrymen cannot does not mean that the anti-tank gun is more powerful

...I think thats exactly what it means... Maybe not more useful, flexible in its applications or easily maintained, but more powerful? Absolutely.

But I agree, I prefer Crom as a character, He always has more fun, isn't the best so has to actually try to win just like all support cast. Doesn't mean he should become the everchosen. Archaon is a good Everchosen, and he's a damn powerful character. Certainly in the top five most powerful.

I still want undead Crom. Vampire Counts need a character worth...well, anything. As it stands half of them are dead (for ever), two of them are the same guy and one of them is Konrad.

Count Demandred · 20-11-2008, 11:27

Originally Posted by KharnTheBetrayer01

...I think thats exactly what it means... Maybe not more useful, flexible in its applications or easily maintained, but more powerful? Absolutely.

But I agree, I prefer Crom as a character, He always has more fun, isn't the best so has to actually try to win just like all support cast. Doesn't mean he should become the everchosen. Archaon is a good Everchosen, and he's a damn powerful character. Certainly in the top five most powerful.

I still want undead Crom. Vampire Counts need a character worth...well, anything. As it stands half of them are dead (for ever), two of them are the same guy and one of them is Konrad.

Who's dead too.

And you're right, we certainly need some new characters:

Zacharias the Everliving
The Red Duke
The Black Prince
Walach of the House of Harkon

Any (or all!) of these would suffice... And we're not even into the big boys yet!

FaHeMan89 · 22-11-2008, 00:45

With regards to who beat who:
Crom vs. Archaon-Never Fought-
"...Crom the Conquerer, once sought to fight Archaon in single combat, but upon seeing the Slayer of Kings, bowed down in homage to the Everchosen. The chieftain of the Kul forswore all his worldly possessions and rank, and accompanied Archaon on his quests for the other treasures... besting tribal leader after tribal leader in single combat to unite the Kurgan peoples against the Empire." - Storm of Chaos
Crom vs. Grimgor at Batle of High Pass
"Grimgor and Crom hacked their way through the press to face each other, and fought in single compbat. Whilst the two battled out their personal rivalry, Crom's army overwhelmed the greenskins, driving them back to the High Pass. Grimgor and Crom traded blows and parries for many hours, neither willing to back down. Eventually, as darkness fell, Crom relented and stood back, allowing Grimgor to see the remnants of his army fleeing to the west. Surrounded on all sides by Chaos tribesmen, Grimgor had to back Down." - Storm of Chaos
Grimgor vs. Archaon
From what i can remember from the storm of chaos site, before it mysteriously disappeared... was that archaon had just cut open valten good and proper, ready to deliver the final blow luthor huss blind sides him with his hammer, picks up valten and books it. As Archaon is standing up, Grimgor (who more than likely was shot out of a cannon from the other side of the old world) delivers the flying headbutt of doom, grunts, "Grimgor's da Best!" and goes home. Archaon stands up once again upon seeing the dead and dying of his army rising as manfred's minions, comes to the conclusion that he got part one (kill valten) of two (step into the eternal flame of ulric, killing the god) and decides he'll finish some other day, leaving with what remains of his army.

FaHeMan89 · 22-11-2008, 00:50

people mistaken crom for having had his ass handed to him by archaon because it was Kordel Shorgaar, archaon's battle standard bearer, who had a similar, yet not as impressive story as crom. Similar deal, where boy leads army as a teenager, slays cheiftans, fights his way up to archaon... only Kordel fought and lost to archaon... sentenced to bitchwork... and just isnt as cool as crom

ROCKY · 07-11-2009, 12:08

Originally Posted by FaHeMan89

people mistaken crom for having had his ass handed to him by archaon because it was Kordel Shorgaar, archaon's battle standard bearer, who had a similar, yet not as impressive story as crom. Similar deal, where boy leads army as a teenager, slays cheiftans, fights his way up to archaon... only Kordel fought and lost to archaon... sentenced to bitchwork... and just isnt as cool as crom

thats where your wrong. kordel and archaon fought for over a DAY and then archaon asked him to join. as for crom he did get his ass handed to him. or do u not recall that after he killed some of the swords he dashed at archaon before archaon could pull out his sword? then archaon chocked his b*tch @$$ and showed him the sword.

ROCKY · 07-11-2009, 12:10

woops sorry brought back a dead thread. pls ignore lol :/.

Mullitron · 07-11-2009, 13:23

I assume hes still wandering around killing things for the chaos gods, perhaps as part Archaons plans, maybe to reduce the threat of mannfred. I like the idear of an army where crom has become a vampire but fluff wise i doubt it will happen. I cant imagine a very proud strong chaos lord is going to allow mannfred to give him the blood kiss. Maybe kill him and use him as a wight king but not a vampire. Crom was powerful but he was not on the same level to archaon one on one i doubt crom would stand a chance. Its a great model, if you want to use him in an army just make a chaos lord with no mark and equip him to be very good in duels. Could make a game more interesting especialy if your fighting vampire counts army with Count Mannfred

ryng_sting · 07-11-2009, 19:45

Last anyone heard he passed into Sylvania with the bulk of his Kurgan horde. Presumably, the newly-returned Mannfred Von Carstein is doing his utmost to boot him out.

Whitehorn · 07-11-2009, 19:59

Where can I find the 'stuff to read' regarding Storm of Chaos, is there a novel or just a rare campaign pack somewhere?

Col. Tartleton · 08-11-2009, 04:31

My Guess?

He becomes a Khornate Blood Dragon of Destiny.

Cuz it's the Khornate Blood Dragon dun dun dun of Destiny child, you know it will be rocking cuz it's ******* insane. It's the Khornate Blood Dragon of Destiny! Of Destiny! Of Dest Tin NEEEEEIII!

Now I'm not 100% on the maths involved, but I'm pretty sure it would be really cool. A Blood Dragon's Powers bonded with the power of Khorne and cranked well beyond the realm of common sense.

Pretty much a Chaos Lord with 100 points of Chaos stuff and 100 points of Vampire stuff and then a mix of magic equipment from both.

08-11-2008, 16:52	#41
ryng_sting Chapter Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lichfield, Staffordshire. Posts: 1,622 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? Originally Posted by Count Demandred Correction, he and his horde have disappeared within the Sylvanian borders. Another exerpt from the Vampire book states (that Tavern Storytellers claim ) that Mannfred marched from Drakenhoff Castle to meet the Chaos Horde head on. Couple that with: 2523 - Warbands following the Chaos Lord Vardek Crom cross Peak Pass and descend into Sylvannia. None emerge from its borders, and it's rumoured a great Undead army has been raised from their bodies. The horde that marched to Middenheim was raised from dead marauders - Crom's vanguard. They rode into Sylvania while the bulk of his horde were fighting at Karak Kadrin. Mannfred is returning to Sylvania from the west just as Crom is entering it from the east. __________________ In any other art the man who pursues the elaboration of his forms is soon given up as a dead loss. Another way of putting this would be to say that Picasso kept finding new ways of avoiding maturity. Clive James Last edited by ryng_sting; 16-11-2008 at 22:11.

12-11-2008, 01:06	#42
Dargon Commander Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 588 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? Originally Posted by Count Demandred Firstly, could Mannfred defeat, and then 'convert' someone as close to Chaos as Crom? And secondly, would he? Theoretically, Nagash himself could be brought down by a Halfling if GW had it in their minds to do it. It's a fantasy universe where anything (with permission I hope) could happen at the authors whim - logical or not. Eltharion, who apparently couldn't raise a hand to Malekith when he had his own magical powers, later managed to not only stand up to Malekith after he lost his magic and sight, but even wounded the Witch-King. Anything is potentially possible. It has happened before. Krell was likewise a mighty Chaos Champion in life before Nagash raised him back from death as an undead Wight Lord. Theoretically Mannfred could do the same to Crom if GW wished, as the precedent is there. As for killing Crom in the first place, Crom may be unrivalled in close-combat, but I imagine Mannfred would happily use his necromancy to drain Crom's life away from a distance. On the other hand, Krell already exists, so why repeat this scenario all over again with Crom? Originally Posted by Count Demandred Maybe the Great Necromancer himself has some hand in all of this... Also potentially possible. One of the more interesting plot threads of the SoC was Nagash's refusal to emerge to face the forces of Settra. It really begs the question - was Nagash even at home? Could it be that Nagash is already abroad in the world... perhaps within Sylvania? Unlike many vampires, Mannfred's history certainly doesn't discount a potential alliance with Nagash. Assumptions and theories aside, GW themselves probably don't yet know Crom's true fate, and likely never will until one of the Authors feels inspired to pick up where Crom's story left off. Just a thought...

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C-Coen Commander Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hidden Posts: 648 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? Originally Posted by Dargon Nagash himself could be brought down by a Halfling if GW had it in their minds to do it You did think up that's a story pretty much known as 'The Lord of the Rings? Originally Posted by Dargon On the other hand, Krell already exists, so why repeat this scenario all over again with Crom? Which is why I think it would be nice to have him become a vampire, instead of a Wight..! __________________ Log! With.. stuff. All kinda stuff... -> Now with Undead Chaos!! Tale of War of the Ring Painters - Moria horde \m/ Metalhead of Warseer \m/ "War is not about who is right, but who is left" - Ad finem temporum -

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Urgat Chapter Master Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Normandie Posts: 4,628 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? Originally Posted by Count Demandred Well then what is all that in the Vampire Book then? Considering he's so popular amongst the GW faithful, he'd have been a special Character in the WOC book had he not disappeared within Sylvania (like it's been stated within the Vampire Book). And anyway, SOC is pretty much happening according to this entry within the WOC Timeline: 2522 - Archaon, Lord of the End Times, musters an army of Chaos larger than any that have gone before. The combined horde marches against the armies of the Old World in the invasion known today as the STORM OF CHAOS. (it's capitaled like that in the book) Well yeah, there's the VC entry, but would that prevent them from having him anyway? It's not like they don't put dead characters (if you have the VC book, you should know ). I don't think they ever liked him much really. He played little to no role in the SoC campaign fluff, in the end. And yeah, the WoC entry states that Archaon starts the SoC, but nothing about what happens during SoC. You'd think they'd mention Valten or the most (in)famous headbutt in the warhammer history in there, or in Archaon's description on his rules page... but nope, nothing. It's like they've erased everything that happened in SoC, which is probably what they did, if you ask me. (and every name is capitalized in this page ) __________________ Painting log; last pictures: Greenskins: September, 01, 2009 -> Common goblin shaman, Nazgob, classic goblin Chaos Dwarfs: Jully, 24, 2009 -> Bull Centaur Battle Standard Bearer Dark Elves: April, 12, 2008 -> RBT crew latest official base chart - in french

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KharnTheBetrayer01 Veteran Sergeant Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: London Posts: 145 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? Grimgor attacked Archaon from behind after Archaon had smote both the living embodiment of Sigmar and the living embodiment of the Empires hatred of Chaos. (Valten and Luthor Huss) Thats not a victory worthy of Grimgor, thats a Cowardly Goblin (Or elf even!) thing to do.

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shredshredxx Chaplain Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 253 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? psh. you guys are just mad archaon gor dominated!! it's a fact. science. i read it. in a book.

19-11-2008, 13:15	#48
KharnTheBetrayer01 Veteran Sergeant Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: London Posts: 145 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? Grimgor fought Crom to a standstill Archaon handed Crom his ass on a platter. Crom = Grimgor, Archaon > Crom, ergo Archaon > Grimgor. Forget your book-based science, thats maths that is! And Maths Pwns Science Archaon / (Valten x Luther Huss) < Archaon Grimgor beat a shadow of Archaons might, therefor he's not "Da Best!" As for Crom... Lets say he stabbed Grimgor as the orc left the battlefield, skinned himand is now wandering around leading an army of Black Orcs while wearing a particularly angry hat. they fight as well as each other, they both lead large armies of angry angry people...who would honestly notice the difference? Crom isn't mutated after all. Wearing an Orc suit he'd be the spitting image of Old ironhide.

19-11-2008, 16:26	#49
penguin663 Librarian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 398 iTrader: (1)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? Originally Posted by KharnTheBetrayer01 Grimgor fought Crom to a standstill Archaon handed Crom his ass on a platter. Crom = Grimgor, ... they fight as well as each other, they both lead large armies of angry angry people...who would honestly notice the difference? Crom isn't mutated after all. Wearing an Orc suit he'd be the spitting image of Old ironhide. Maybe Crom IS Grimgor in a bizarre Fight Club like way @shredshredxx Just because it's in a book doesn't make it a fact, it make it less of a lie. __________________ Originally Posted by Triggerdog That's why I prefer to drink Blue Curacao. Its an orange flavored alcohol that's usually colored a deep, vibrant blue. So instead of having the air of a deceased mexican I smell like an iron orange. Originally Posted by mudcow304 I personally would not risk the integrity of my anus for the sake of £3 worth of glue. My painting off Doom log (This time the "f" is intentional )

19-11-2008, 16:36	#50
Jack of Blades Chapter Master Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 1,181 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? Originally Posted by KharnTheBetrayer01 Crom = Grimgor, Archaon > Crom, ergo Archaon > Grimgor. Just because your anti-tank gun can destroy a tank while 10 infantrymen cannot does not mean that the anti-tank gun is more powerful I myself think Crom is way cooler than Archaon. He kicks ass, but doesn't make such a damn fuss out of it. __________________ Originally Posted by ZeroTwentythree 1000 year-old lords of the walking dead? Chosen avatars of the dark gods leading horrible creatures from another dimension? Ancient members of the civilization who created the very world upon which we wage our wars? Bah! We're skittish mutant rats. We've got a bell. And we're going to ring it till your ears ~~hurt~~ bleed. Bitches.

19-11-2008, 18:03	#51
KharnTheBetrayer01 Veteran Sergeant Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: London Posts: 145 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? Originally Posted by Jack of Blades Just because your anti-tank gun can destroy a tank while 10 infantrymen cannot does not mean that the anti-tank gun is more powerful ...I think thats exactly what it means... Maybe not more useful, flexible in its applications or easily maintained, but more powerful? Absolutely. But I agree, I prefer Crom as a character, He always has more fun, isn't the best so has to actually try to win just like all support cast. Doesn't mean he should become the everchosen. Archaon is a good Everchosen, and he's a damn powerful character. Certainly in the top five most powerful. I still want undead Crom. Vampire Counts need a character worth...well, anything. As it stands half of them are dead (for ever), two of them are the same guy and one of them is Konrad.

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Count Demandred Librarian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 435 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? Originally Posted by KharnTheBetrayer01 ...I think thats exactly what it means... Maybe not more useful, flexible in its applications or easily maintained, but more powerful? Absolutely. But I agree, I prefer Crom as a character, He always has more fun, isn't the best so has to actually try to win just like all support cast. Doesn't mean he should become the everchosen. Archaon is a good Everchosen, and he's a damn powerful character. Certainly in the top five most powerful. I still want undead Crom. Vampire Counts need a character worth...well, anything. As it stands half of them are dead (for ever), two of them are the same guy and one of them is Konrad. Who's dead too. And you're right, we certainly need some new characters: Zacharias the Everliving The Red Duke The Black Prince Walach of the House of Harkon Any (or all!) of these would suffice... And we're not even into the big boys yet! __________________ "Fool. You are just my pawn in the game of the gods" - Count Demandred (insert uber-cool last name here) "In your death, I shall have new life" - Asmodean the Eternal Originally Posted by El Haroldo Start printing stickers for 40k lovin' Volvo drivers: 'my other car is the Golden Throne of Terra' Last edited by Count Demandred; 20-11-2008 at 11:39.

22-11-2008, 00:45	#53
FaHeMan89 Brother Sergeant Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 28 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? With regards to who beat who: Crom vs. Archaon-Never Fought- "...Crom the Conquerer, once sought to fight Archaon in single combat, but upon seeing the Slayer of Kings, bowed down in homage to the Everchosen. The chieftain of the Kul forswore all his worldly possessions and rank, and accompanied Archaon on his quests for the other treasures... besting tribal leader after tribal leader in single combat to unite the Kurgan peoples against the Empire." - Storm of Chaos Crom vs. Grimgor at Batle of High Pass "Grimgor and Crom hacked their way through the press to face each other, and fought in single compbat. Whilst the two battled out their personal rivalry, Crom's army overwhelmed the greenskins, driving them back to the High Pass. Grimgor and Crom traded blows and parries for many hours, neither willing to back down. Eventually, as darkness fell, Crom relented and stood back, allowing Grimgor to see the remnants of his army fleeing to the west. Surrounded on all sides by Chaos tribesmen, Grimgor had to back Down." - Storm of Chaos Grimgor vs. Archaon From what i can remember from the storm of chaos site, before it mysteriously disappeared... was that archaon had just cut open valten good and proper, ready to deliver the final blow luthor huss blind sides him with his hammer, picks up valten and books it. As Archaon is standing up, Grimgor (who more than likely was shot out of a cannon from the other side of the old world) delivers the flying headbutt of doom, grunts, "Grimgor's da Best!" and goes home. Archaon stands up once again upon seeing the dead and dying of his army rising as manfred's minions, comes to the conclusion that he got part one (kill valten) of two (step into the eternal flame of ulric, killing the god) and decides he'll finish some other day, leaving with what remains of his army. Last edited by FaHeMan89; 22-11-2008 at 00:47.

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FaHeMan89 Brother Sergeant Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 28 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? people mistaken crom for having had his ass handed to him by archaon because it was Kordel Shorgaar, archaon's battle standard bearer, who had a similar, yet not as impressive story as crom. Similar deal, where boy leads army as a teenager, slays cheiftans, fights his way up to archaon... only Kordel fought and lost to archaon... sentenced to bitchwork... and just isnt as cool as crom

07-11-2009, 12:08	#55
ROCKY Chapter Master Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,712 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? Originally Posted by FaHeMan89 people mistaken crom for having had his ass handed to him by archaon because it was Kordel Shorgaar, archaon's battle standard bearer, who had a similar, yet not as impressive story as crom. Similar deal, where boy leads army as a teenager, slays cheiftans, fights his way up to archaon... only Kordel fought and lost to archaon... sentenced to bitchwork... and just isnt as cool as crom thats where your wrong. kordel and archaon fought for over a DAY and then archaon asked him to join. as for crom he did get his ass handed to him. or do u not recall that after he killed some of the swords he dashed at archaon before archaon could pull out his sword? then archaon chocked his btch @$$ and showed him the sword. __________________ I bust MINE to KICK YOURS! Most Trusted Allies of the Ruinous Four: Master Hideous_loon, Tanith Ghost, Twisted Ferret, Finnblood, Nekoh, Pertinax, Killswitch, and Der-Lex. Originally Posted by arxhon* Somebody get that guy Barbecued Buzzard Wings, stat!

07-11-2009, 12:10	#56
ROCKY Chapter Master Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,712 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? woops sorry brought back a dead thread. pls ignore lol :/. __________________ I bust MINE to KICK YOURS! Most Trusted Allies of the Ruinous Four: Master Hideous_loon, Tanith Ghost, Twisted Ferret, Finnblood, Nekoh, Pertinax, Killswitch, and Der-Lex. Originally Posted by arxhon Somebody get that guy Barbecued Buzzard Wings, stat!

07-11-2009, 13:23	#57
Mullitron Librarian Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 490 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? I assume hes still wandering around killing things for the chaos gods, perhaps as part Archaons plans, maybe to reduce the threat of mannfred. I like the idear of an army where crom has become a vampire but fluff wise i doubt it will happen. I cant imagine a very proud strong chaos lord is going to allow mannfred to give him the blood kiss. Maybe kill him and use him as a wight king but not a vampire. Crom was powerful but he was not on the same level to archaon one on one i doubt crom would stand a chance. Its a great model, if you want to use him in an army just make a chaos lord with no mark and equip him to be very good in duels. Could make a game more interesting especialy if your fighting vampire counts army with Count Mannfred

07-11-2009, 19:45	#58
ryng_sting Chapter Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lichfield, Staffordshire. Posts: 1,622 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? Last anyone heard he passed into Sylvania with the bulk of his Kurgan horde. Presumably, the newly-returned Mannfred Von Carstein is doing his utmost to boot him out. __________________ In any other art the man who pursues the elaboration of his forms is soon given up as a dead loss. Another way of putting this would be to say that Picasso kept finding new ways of avoiding maturity. Clive James

07-11-2009, 19:59	#59
Whitehorn Chapter Master Join Date: May 2008 Location: Tamworth, England Posts: 1,336 iTrader: (5)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? Where can I find the 'stuff to read' regarding Storm of Chaos, is there a novel or just a rare campaign pack somewhere? __________________ My big log! Currently Dark mechanicum My Wargame - reviewing your wargames and accessories! How to create Pre-heresy marines

08-11-2009, 04:31	#60
Col. Tartleton Chapter Master Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,426 iTrader: (0)	Re: Crom the Conqueror, Is he dead? My Guess? He becomes a Khornate Blood Dragon of Destiny. Cuz it's the Khornate Blood Dragon dun dun dun of Destiny child, you know it will be rocking cuz it's ***** insane. It's the Khornate Blood Dragon of Destiny! Of Destiny! Of Dest Tin NEEEEEIII! Now I'm not 100% on the maths involved, but I'm pretty sure it would be really cool. A Blood Dragon's Powers bonded with the power of Khorne and cranked well beyond the realm of common sense. Pretty much a Chaos Lord with 100 points of Chaos stuff and 100 points of Vampire stuff and then a mix of magic equipment from both. __________________ Originally Posted by Corrode** I think you've just told us far more about what you do on your 'personal time' than anyone ever wanted to know. My 40k Pulp Fiction http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190053

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