Unofficial FAQs

lord_blackfang · 14-09-2005, 15:44

Because Games Workshop has proved unwilling and/or unable to provide gamers with the product support we deserve, a few brave users here on Warseer (and some of our offline gaming pals) have dedicated our lives (well, not our entire lives of course

) to creating a set of comprehensive, consistent rulings and errata for the 4th edition of Warhammer 40.000.

Of course we have no way of enforcing our rulings on anyone, and we wouldn't want to. These FAQs are unofficial, and everyone must decide for themselves whether to adhere to them or not.

Just bear in mind that we have gone to a lot of trouble to compile as many official and semi-official answers as possible from GW's old FAQs and from forum posts made by the Games Developers thamselves. Where these sources were insufficient, we looked for (or started) a discussion of the issue here on Warseer's 40k Rules forum. The final answers in our FAQs have mostly been agreed upon by many knowledgeable posters.

We hope that our work will allow gamers everywhere to enjoy their games with as few rules arguments as possible.

The FAQs:

Main Rulebook (BGB) FAQ v 1.31 (updated 13th Feb 2008)

Codex: Eldar FAQ v 1.03 (new 11th Feb 2008) (new 11 Feb 2008)

Codex: Orks FAQ v1.0 (new 19th April 2008)

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warwizard_99 · 14-09-2005, 17:41

Excellent compilation of FAQ stuff. My only contention is under the Chaos 'FAQ' where the Land Raider, taken as a transport option for Chosen, still counts as a scoring unit.

It is, still, a dedicated transport that does not occupy a Force Organization spot, and therefore, shouldn't be scoring. That is why you take the LR as a Heavy choice, is to have a 250 pt vehicle count as scoring, and it can ferry around any unit it wants to.

Otherwise, i think it an excellent tool, and believe it well done.

lord_blackfang · 14-09-2005, 18:31

Originally Posted by warwizard_99

My only contention is under the Chaos 'FAQ' where the Land Raider, taken as a transport option for Chosen, still counts as a scoring unit.

It is, still, a dedicated transport that does not occupy a Force Organization spot, and therefore, shouldn't be scoring. That is why you take the LR as a Heavy choice, is to have a 250 pt vehicle count as scoring, and it can ferry around any unit it wants to.

SM Land Raiders are scoring units even when taken as Transports (says so in the Codex) and Pete Haines said the same should apply to Chaos. I wouldn't care one way or the other, as long as both armies use the same rule.

warwizard_99 · 14-09-2005, 19:20

Well, there you go. Reading the codex to the rescue

I think it is similar to the problem with SM and Demonhunter codex. Some people feel that because they are independant books, that the wargear or weapons in SM doesn't apply to DH...mostly the Assault Cannon.

mattjgilbert · 14-09-2005, 22:04

Originally Posted by warwizard_99

Well, there you go. Reading the codex to the rescue

I think it is similar to the problem with SM and Demonhunter codex. Some people feel that because they are independant books, that the wargear or weapons in SM doesn't apply to DH...mostly the Assault Cannon.

I'm sure that is another haines clarification somewhere... that you use the new Assualt cannon rules from Codex SM. It would make sense.

Edit - great idea on the FAQs btw lord_blackfang

warwizard_99 · 14-09-2005, 22:40

I agree that it would make sense, but that is the easy solution...

People in our own gaming group are split on whether the Grey Knight dread can use the Assault Cannon with rending...they keep saying the codex entry does not show Heavy 4 rending...and IIRC, the codex doesn't actually say it is based on Codex SM. I think that is where the problem is.

lord_blackfang · 15-09-2005, 06:21

If the name is the same, then it uses the new rules. That's the general ruling.
I don't have a GK codex at hand, so I dunno if there's an Ass-cannon in there, but if it is, it uses the new rules.

A psycannon is a totally different thing though, and doesn't use the new rules, despite what some people may claim.

mattjgilbert · 15-09-2005, 10:00

Thinking about it, this could easily get out of hand quickly. Perhaps you should do one or two books at a time to make it more manageable (so you are not flooded with q and a's. Once each FAQ is in a state of readiness I think it would be a great idea to make each the official Warseer FAQ for <insert book name here>. Maybe the admins can give their thoughts on that... people can then view the FAQ and then post in the rules forum if they cannot find an answer.

It might be worth nominating a team of people to gather together the questions from the rules forum as it stands and also assign an owner to each FAQ rather than have the responsibility all yourself (unless you want to!).

lord_blackfang · 15-09-2005, 10:36

I'd love to spread the work around, but such a project has been tried every couple of months on Portent and always died within a week. I guess 40k players just don't have the required dedication and attention span. It makes us look really bad compared to Fantasy players, who have a forum dedicated to producing high-quality FAQs.

mattjgilbert · 15-09-2005, 11:17

Then allow my group and I to take on the Main Rule book FAQ. Anyone reading this who wants to PM me a Q+A they think should be in it let me know. We'll put a draft together and then see what you think.

lord_blackfang... does this sound OK?

Wolflord Havoc · 15-09-2005, 14:18

Thanks Matt

I don't get enough sleep as it is!!!!

Mind you I suppose I could do it at work

lord_blackfang · 15-09-2005, 14:21

Originally Posted by mattjgilbert

Then allow my group and I to take on the Main Rule book FAQ. Anyone reading this who wants to PM me a Q+A they think should be in it let me know. We'll put a draft together and then see what you think.

lord_blackfang... does this sound OK?

That would be great. It leaves me more time for... *picks at random* ...Tyranids. Yeah. I'll do Tyranids next.

Gaebriel · 15-09-2005, 14:37

What about making this thread a sticky, or a sticky 'Project : FAQ' thread or similar, so contacting the different teams, and reaching the FAQs is easy?

Shas'o'Fior · 15-09-2005, 16:36

I might be available to do something (dunno what) but I'm just volunteering my spare time (what little of it I have)

mattjgilbert · 15-09-2005, 19:49

Originally Posted by Gaebriel

What about making this thread a sticky, or a sticky 'Project : FAQ' thread or similar, so contacting the different teams, and reaching the FAQs is easy?

I think this would be a good idea

lord_blackfang · 15-09-2005, 20:24

Originally Posted by Gaebriel

What about making this thread a sticky, or a sticky 'Project : FAQ' thread or similar, so contacting the different teams, and reaching the FAQs is easy?

Sure. Know any friendly mods that we could ask to sticky us?

Originally Posted by Shas'o'Fior

I might be available to do something (dunno what) but I'm just volunteering my spare time (what little of it I have)

Great. Pick a Codex, get to work

The ones already done are SM and CSM, and I'm working on Nids now. Matt is working on the BGB. Everything else is up for grabs ATM.

**Brimstone** · 15-09-2005, 21:34

Originally Posted by lord_blackfang

Sure. Know any friendly mods that we could ask to sticky us?

Well I don't know about friendly but it's now stuck.

Now the detail it may not stay stuck, that all depends on you guys, I expect it to be a constructive thread and not spam.

If you do get spam on the thread it should be reported so the mods can take care of it, if the thread goes off the rails and cannot be saved then it will be unsticked/closed depending on the situation.

The opportunity is yours, make good use of it.

mattjgilbert · 15-09-2005, 23:18

Right. I've had a stab at a first draft for the BGB FAQ. Compiled from the rules forum here (trawled through the whole lot!) and the GW forums FAQ pages. It's gone to the guys at my club for their comments. I suggest after that it goes to a wider but select Warseer audience before publication. I could suggest some people here I think would be good contributors/ proof readers but they should really volunteer themselves rather than list them out...

Nurgling Chieftain · 16-09-2005, 00:43

I'd be happy to review them.

lord_blackfang · 16-09-2005, 01:14

Cool, this is working out better than I expected.

I'll be gone for a few days and won't have computer access, but I'll get C:Nids done early next week. I'll be glad to include any Q&As that appear in my PM Inbox in the meantime, or on vanedolenc@yahoo.com

14-09-2005, 15:44	#1
lord_blackfang Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I'm in your washing machine, soaking my harbl Posts: 5,215 iTrader: (0)	The Warseer FAQ Project (read before posting!) Because Games Workshop has proved unwilling and/or unable to provide gamers with the product support we deserve, a few brave users here on Warseer (and some of our offline gaming pals) have dedicated our lives (well, not our entire lives of course ) to creating a set of comprehensive, consistent rulings and errata for the 4th edition of Warhammer 40.000. Of course we have no way of enforcing our rulings on anyone, and we wouldn't want to. These FAQs are unofficial, and everyone must decide for themselves whether to adhere to them or not. Just bear in mind that we have gone to a lot of trouble to compile as many official and semi-official answers as possible from GW's old FAQs and from forum posts made by the Games Developers thamselves. Where these sources were insufficient, we looked for (or started) a discussion of the issue here on Warseer's 40k Rules forum. The final answers in our FAQs have mostly been agreed upon by many knowledgeable posters. We hope that our work will allow gamers everywhere to enjoy their games with as few rules arguments as possible. The FAQs: Main Rulebook (BGB) FAQ v 1.31 (updated 13th Feb 2008) Codex: Eldar FAQ v 1.03 (new 11th Feb 2008) (new 11 Feb 2008) Codex: Orks FAQ v1.0 (new 19th April 2008) If you can't get to the files, my webspace provider is acting up again. I can't do anything about it, so please try again in a day or two More coming soon! If you disagree with our interpretation of a rule, please do a Search first to see if the subject has already been discussed (it most likely has) before you voice a complaint. Sensible arguments will be listened to, wishful thinking will not. Last edited by Brimstone; 14-07-2008 at 07:01. Reason: Removed links to non faqs

14-09-2005, 17:41	#2
warwizard_99 Commander Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 611 iTrader: (0)	Re: Unofficial FAQs Excellent compilation of FAQ stuff. My only contention is under the Chaos 'FAQ' where the Land Raider, taken as a transport option for Chosen, still counts as a scoring unit. It is, still, a dedicated transport that does not occupy a Force Organization spot, and therefore, shouldn't be scoring. That is why you take the LR as a Heavy choice, is to have a 250 pt vehicle count as scoring, and it can ferry around any unit it wants to. Otherwise, i think it an excellent tool, and believe it well done.

14-09-2005, 18:31	#3
lord_blackfang Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I'm in your washing machine, soaking my harbl Posts: 5,215 iTrader: (0)	Re: Unofficial FAQs Originally Posted by warwizard_99 My only contention is under the Chaos 'FAQ' where the Land Raider, taken as a transport option for Chosen, still counts as a scoring unit. It is, still, a dedicated transport that does not occupy a Force Organization spot, and therefore, shouldn't be scoring. That is why you take the LR as a Heavy choice, is to have a 250 pt vehicle count as scoring, and it can ferry around any unit it wants to. SM Land Raiders are scoring units even when taken as Transports (says so in the Codex) and Pete Haines said the same should apply to Chaos. I wouldn't care one way or the other, as long as both armies use the same rule.

14-09-2005, 19:20	#4
warwizard_99 Commander Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 611 iTrader: (0)	Re: Unofficial FAQs Well, there you go. Reading the codex to the rescue I think it is similar to the problem with SM and Demonhunter codex. Some people feel that because they are independant books, that the wargear or weapons in SM doesn't apply to DH...mostly the Assault Cannon.

14-09-2005, 22:04	#5
mattjgilbert Daemon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Worthing, UK Posts: 4,516 iTrader: (14)	Re: Unofficial FAQs Originally Posted by warwizard_99 Well, there you go. Reading the codex to the rescue I think it is similar to the problem with SM and Demonhunter codex. Some people feel that because they are independant books, that the wargear or weapons in SM doesn't apply to DH...mostly the Assault Cannon. I'm sure that is another haines clarification somewhere... that you use the new Assualt cannon rules from Codex SM. It would make sense. Edit - great idea on the FAQs btw lord_blackfang __________________ It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye... and then it's just fun! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Dragons Tears - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - My armies: Ultramarines ; Necrons ; Daemons ; High Elves ; Orcs & Goblins

14-09-2005, 22:40	#6
warwizard_99 Commander Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 611 iTrader: (0)	Re: Unofficial FAQs I agree that it would make sense, but that is the easy solution... People in our own gaming group are split on whether the Grey Knight dread can use the Assault Cannon with rending...they keep saying the codex entry does not show Heavy 4 rending...and IIRC, the codex doesn't actually say it is based on Codex SM. I think that is where the problem is.

15-09-2005, 06:21	#7
lord_blackfang Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I'm in your washing machine, soaking my harbl Posts: 5,215 iTrader: (0)	Re: Unofficial FAQs If the name is the same, then it uses the new rules. That's the general ruling. I don't have a GK codex at hand, so I dunno if there's an Ass-cannon in there, but if it is, it uses the new rules. A psycannon is a totally different thing though, and doesn't use the new rules, despite what some people may claim.

15-09-2005, 10:00	#8
mattjgilbert Daemon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Worthing, UK Posts: 4,516 iTrader: (14)	Re: Unofficial FAQs Thinking about it, this could easily get out of hand quickly. Perhaps you should do one or two books at a time to make it more manageable (so you are not flooded with q and a's. Once each FAQ is in a state of readiness I think it would be a great idea to make each the official Warseer FAQ for <insert book name here>. Maybe the admins can give their thoughts on that... people can then view the FAQ and then post in the rules forum if they cannot find an answer. It might be worth nominating a team of people to gather together the questions from the rules forum as it stands and also assign an owner to each FAQ rather than have the responsibility all yourself (unless you want to!). __________________ It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye... and then it's just fun! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Dragons Tears - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - My armies: Ultramarines ; Necrons ; Daemons ; High Elves ; Orcs & Goblins

15-09-2005, 10:36	#9
lord_blackfang Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I'm in your washing machine, soaking my harbl Posts: 5,215 iTrader: (0)	Re: Unofficial FAQs I'd love to spread the work around, but such a project has been tried every couple of months on Portent and always died within a week. I guess 40k players just don't have the required dedication and attention span. It makes us look really bad compared to Fantasy players, who have a forum dedicated to producing high-quality FAQs.

15-09-2005, 11:17	#10
mattjgilbert Daemon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Worthing, UK Posts: 4,516 iTrader: (14)	Re: Unofficial FAQs Then allow my group and I to take on the Main Rule book FAQ. Anyone reading this who wants to PM me a Q+A they think should be in it let me know. We'll put a draft together and then see what you think. lord_blackfang... does this sound OK? __________________ It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye... and then it's just fun! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Dragons Tears - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - My armies: Ultramarines ; Necrons ; Daemons ; High Elves ; Orcs & Goblins Last edited by mattjgilbert; 15-09-2005 at 13:13.

15-09-2005, 14:18	#11
Wolflord Havoc Chapter Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: 1123,6536,5321 Posts: 1,442 iTrader: (0)	Re: Unofficial FAQs Thanks Matt I don't get enough sleep as it is!!!! Mind you I suppose I could do it at work __________________ Quote I heard a joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life is harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. The great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says, "But doctor... I am Pagliacci." Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains. Rorschach, The Watchmen

15-09-2005, 14:21	#12
lord_blackfang Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I'm in your washing machine, soaking my harbl Posts: 5,215 iTrader: (0)	Re: Unofficial FAQs Originally Posted by mattjgilbert Then allow my group and I to take on the Main Rule book FAQ. Anyone reading this who wants to PM me a Q+A they think should be in it let me know. We'll put a draft together and then see what you think. lord_blackfang... does this sound OK? That would be great. It leaves me more time for... picks at random ...Tyranids. Yeah. I'll do Tyranids next.

15-09-2005, 14:37	#13
Gaebriel Chapter Master Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Frankfurt, Germany Posts: 2,501 iTrader: (0)	Re: Unofficial FAQs What about making this thread a sticky, or a sticky 'Project : FAQ' thread or similar, so contacting the different teams, and reaching the FAQs is easy? __________________ Somebody wake up Hicks.

15-09-2005, 16:36	#14
Shas'o'Fior Chaplain Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 267 iTrader: (0)	Re: Unofficial FAQs I might be available to do something (dunno what) but I'm just volunteering my spare time (what little of it I have) __________________ 265 law of Imperial Guard conduct: one should not sneak up onto ones commanding officer and shout 'BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!'

15-09-2005, 19:49	#15
mattjgilbert Daemon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Worthing, UK Posts: 4,516 iTrader: (14)	Re: Unofficial FAQs Originally Posted by Gaebriel What about making this thread a sticky, or a sticky 'Project : FAQ' thread or similar, so contacting the different teams, and reaching the FAQs is easy? I think this would be a good idea __________________ It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye... and then it's just fun! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Dragons Tears - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - My armies: Ultramarines ; Necrons ; Daemons ; High Elves ; Orcs & Goblins

15-09-2005, 20:24	#16
lord_blackfang Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I'm in your washing machine, soaking my harbl Posts: 5,215 iTrader: (0)	Re: Unofficial FAQs Originally Posted by Gaebriel What about making this thread a sticky, or a sticky 'Project : FAQ' thread or similar, so contacting the different teams, and reaching the FAQs is easy? Sure. Know any friendly mods that we could ask to sticky us? Originally Posted by Shas'o'Fior I might be available to do something (dunno what) but I'm just volunteering my spare time (what little of it I have) Great. Pick a Codex, get to work The ones already done are SM and CSM, and I'm working on Nids now. Matt is working on the BGB. Everything else is up for grabs ATM.

15-09-2005, 21:34	#17
Brimstone Lord Assassin Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London (well Watford) Posts: 7,357 iTrader: (5)	Re: Unofficial FAQs Originally Posted by lord_blackfang Sure. Know any friendly mods that we could ask to sticky us? Well I don't know about friendly but it's now stuck. Now the detail it may not stay stuck, that all depends on you guys, I expect it to be a constructive thread and not spam. If you do get spam on the thread it should be reported so the mods can take care of it, if the thread goes off the rails and cannot be saved then it will be unsticked/closed depending on the situation. The opportunity is yours, make good use of it. __________________ Got a GW rumour? Want to remain anonymous Then email me at Brimstone.Warseer@gmail.com Andy needs your help please order from Heresy Miniatures.

15-09-2005, 23:18	#18
mattjgilbert Daemon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Worthing, UK Posts: 4,516 iTrader: (14)	Re: Unofficial FAQs Right. I've had a stab at a first draft for the BGB FAQ. Compiled from the rules forum here (trawled through the whole lot!) and the GW forums FAQ pages. It's gone to the guys at my club for their comments. I suggest after that it goes to a wider but select Warseer audience before publication. I could suggest some people here I think would be good contributors/ proof readers but they should really volunteer themselves rather than list them out... __________________ It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye... and then it's just fun! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Dragons Tears - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - My armies: Ultramarines ; Necrons ; Daemons ; High Elves ; Orcs & Goblins

16-09-2005, 00:43	#19
Nurgling Chieftain Chapter Master Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,165 iTrader: (0)	Re: Unofficial FAQs I'd be happy to review them.

16-09-2005, 01:14	#20
lord_blackfang Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I'm in your washing machine, soaking my harbl Posts: 5,215 iTrader: (0)	Re: Unofficial FAQs Cool, this is working out better than I expected. I'll be gone for a few days and won't have computer access, but I'll get C:Nids done early next week. I'll be glad to include any Q&As that appear in my PM Inbox in the meantime, or on vanedolenc@yahoo.com

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