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Ghudra
25-09-2007, 14:25
I started in on Epic 40K at the release of Space Marine and loved playing that version of the game. Titan Legions was great fun too, and I only left the game when the infantry bases went oddly rectangular while the basic infantry box sets got severely cut down in size. :confused:

After looking through the Specialist Games site and browsing the online store, I really can't identify with much of what is left out there for Epic models and I was toying with the idea of getting back into the game.

So what's changed with the game and what is the newest version like? Does it still have that large scale battle feel to it or has it been dumbed down?

Chaos and Evil
25-09-2007, 15:25
Well, to start with, Epic is not dumbed down; somewhere in the rulebook the author says something like 'Epic is a very tactical game, designed for people who have a deep experience in wargaming'. Or words to that effect anyway.

An normal battle is 3000pts, which could be 156 bases of Imperial Guard infantry (780 individual infantrymen), or three companies of Space Marines. So, pretty large scale then.

Any particular army you're interested in?

Ghudra
25-09-2007, 15:58
I still have gobs of Orcs rolling around, but just from comparing the models to the existing range on GW's store site (no current codex here), it looks like most units dissapeared or were consolidated like a casserole.

Ignoring various troop types and including gun batteries, I see only 15 types of vehicles. Assuming the Great Gargant still exists, lets call it 16 as compared to the ~36 types that were present when I left the game.

A reduction in variety is ok, regular 40K suffered the same fate apparently, but I'm more concerned with how the game plays now. Just from the PDFs at Specialist Games it looks like the regular gameplay was changed up quite a bit.

Dwarf Supreme
25-09-2007, 19:28
Everything you own can be used for E:A. However, some things need to used as "counts as". For example, bonebreakas, bonecrunchas, lungburstas, etc. are counted as gunwagons. Gargants do indeed still exist.

As for game play, it has changed quite a bit since Space Marine/Titan Legions, but it still feels like epic. I highly recommend giving it a try. I greatly prefer it over Epic40k.

Patriarch
26-09-2007, 18:44
I'd say a much better, more tactical game than SM/TL - less fiddly, more on strategy. The fact that space marines, say, have better armour than IG helps. The distinction between close range firefights and long range artillery battles was a fantastic idea, and the blast marker/alternating orders is very elegant and clever.

E40K went much too far with simplification, and effectively killed Epic as the 3rd core game. It also brought in the hated rectangular bases. Depending on how cynical you are, it was either to make epic infantry much easier to paint up, or it was to make everyone's existing epic armies obsolete.

The Ork army wasn't streamlined to make it simpler, it was to allow armies to look varied and chaotic without punishing the player. If their is a slight advantage in taking Ork tank type "X" over all the other dozens of Ork tanks, all comptetitive Ork armies end up full of "X-tanks" and nothing else. And even Blood Axes aren't that neat.

Chaos and Evil
26-09-2007, 20:17
it was either to make epic infantry much easier to paint up, or it was to make everyone's existing epic armies obsolete.

Or it was just to make them look better.

*Prefers the oblong bases*

simuk
04-10-2007, 20:06
So is the Armageddon Rules set the best bits of both 2nd and 3rd edition then?, or is it a complete re-write of the rules?.

Im also an Ex Epic gamer and 3rd edition ruined the game for my small group!

Chaos and Evil
04-10-2007, 21:17
So is the Armageddon Rules set the best bits of both 2nd and 3rd edition then?, or is it a complete re-write of the rules?.

It's a mix of all three.

And it's brill. :)

Master Jeridian
05-10-2007, 11:51
E40K went much too far with simplification, and effectively killed Epic as the 3rd core game. It also brought in the hated rectangular bases. Depending on how cynical you are, it was either to make epic infantry much easier to paint up, or it was to make everyone's existing epic armies obsolete.


This ain't true of Epic Armageddon (not sure if it was for Epic 40k) as you can use either base.

I'd prefer the square skirmish formation but when I bought mine they were on the stand in a line rectangle formation.

Patriarch
05-10-2007, 12:10
This ain't true of Epic Armageddon (not sure if it was for Epic 40k) as you can use either base.

I'd prefer the square skirmish formation but when I bought mine they were on the stand in a line rectangle formation.

Another reason I like E:A over all the others. All my armies are square base only. I get square bases off ebay for my current epic infantry buys.

Chaos and Evil
05-10-2007, 14:33
As Head Fanatic, Jervis has now carried that big old Epic torch further with Epic: Armageddon and its future supplements. I really love the game he's come up with because it has taken the best of those predecessors into a gritty, but dynamic, new game.

A quote from the Specialist Games website that was worth posting here.

Patriarch
05-10-2007, 23:55
Or it was just to make them look better.

*Prefers the oblong bases*

It didn't work though ;)

*Prefers the square bases*

Axel
06-10-2007, 22:17
I wish I could get square bases for my loose troops...

Patriarch
07-10-2007, 09:00
I wish I could get square bases for my loose troops...

Ebay. A "fair" price is about 10p per base. I've built up a lifetime's supply, for now anyway.

Oops, you're in Germany. Maybe not too easy to get that cheap...I guess epic wasn't that well known there in the square base days?

Hena
07-10-2007, 09:34
You can find square bases from http://www.chaosorc.com