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Karhedron
13-04-2005, 09:29
Well, after almost a year I have finally played my first game of Epic Armageddon and I was blown away over how cool the game is. After years of IgoUgo, the initiative based turn sequence was a revelation. It made the game strangely edgy as you knew that exposing a formation could very quickly lead to it being blown away.

I played Eldar using the new Swordwind rules against a Marine player with a curious fondness for Land Raiders. The first turn was quite harsh due to opponent using lots of Overwatch, this cost me both my Falcon Troupes on my left flank as they tried to squeeze in some shots.

After that I decided to focus on overwhelming the right flank. I chewed up a Tactical detachment with a tooled up Guardian squad (Wraithguard rock) and actually managed to wipe out a Land Raider detachment with a Troupe of Jetbikes. This amazed considering how poor they are in 40K. I then wiped out another Land Raider detachment with my Aspect Host but lost a Wave Serpent in the process.

At the start of the 4th turn, I realized I had effectively claimed the "Break their Spirit" condition by wiping out the Land Raiders and I only needed one more condition to win. I realized that with one flank down, I could move up and claim the "Blitzkrieg" by getting the objective on the Marine player's table edge. Unfortunately my Aspect host took a lot of damage as they tried to close on foot and in the end the Jetbikes claimed the objecive and won me the game.

My thoughts are somewhat mixed as I did some things well and others not so well. Advancing onto Overwatching units was a disaster and cost me my Falcons which was a waste. If a unit goes onto over watch, it is better to move away and do something else rather than try to advance on it. At least that way you will cost your opponent any movement with that unit. In fact my opponent's overwatch eventually turned against him as it prevented him from contesting objectives.

Allowing the loss of a Wave Serpent to slow down my Aspect Host was also a mistake and they got pounshed for it. I would have been better to move off and allow a couple of units to get destroyed rather than move everything at the speed of the slowest unit. As it was they took far more damage by moving slowly than they would if they had simply cut their losses and left 2 units behind.

The jetbikes were great as they effectively won me both the victory conditions. Next time I might invest in a Unit of Shining Spears since they are practically super-jetbikes. Epic player very differently to 40K and Fantasy and the system is very smooth. It punishes mistakes but it is far more tactically challenging and I thoroughly recommend it for anyone who feels that their games of 40K have become a bit routine.

Colonial Rifle
13-04-2005, 10:25
Epic does, indeed, rock. Units work as they should (Land raiders + terminators are rock hard) and armies are in fluffier scale (IG backed by Super heavies are a scary sight).

Only problem is that no one seems to be playing it in my area anymore! Anyone in Central London need a game, PM me!

Hopefully with Swordwind out, there might be a bit more interest. It flows so much better than 40K and I think the armies can actually look better when out on the battlefield. Oh well, one day it will be the 3rd Core game again! :D

x-esiv-4c
13-04-2005, 13:13
Epic is dead good. Much more tactical then regular 40k. I love crossfiring!

Karhedron
13-04-2005, 14:52
Only problem is that no one seems to be playing it in my area anymore! Anyone in Central London need a game, PM me!
I agree, finding opponents is the challenge currently. I play at a club in Basingstoke which is less than an hour from London if you are interested. I think we need a concerted push for players, once we start generating more interest and people see it being played, they are more likely to take it up.

Sojourner
13-04-2005, 15:18
I've actually never played either, but I prefer the presentation of Epic 40k. I'd definitely have a go if I could find opponents though.

Karhedron, Basingstoke you say? I live in Reading. How about a little thames valley derby sometime? I believe my local crowd are the Spiky Club, but I've never got in touch.

StugMeister
13-04-2005, 18:11
I've just recently started building up a SiegeMasters army as a side project.

If you've not seen them, check them out here (http://www.miniatureworld.dk/Data/Forum/index.php?topic=650.0)

I've played Epic since Titan Legions and I must admit that the latest incarnation does look great! I downloaded the living rulebook.

Paddy
21-04-2005, 13:26
Epic - the mutts nuts for large scale battles :D

Brimstone
21-04-2005, 17:29
I'm currently in the process of building and painting a epic Tyranid army.

I used to play Space Marine a long time ago but never collected an army of my own.

So after this little investment I'm hoping I enjoy it.

I'm also hoping to find players I've got a couple lined up so far but I'm hoping we can convince the others how good it is.

Eversor
21-04-2005, 17:51
I've been wanting to try out the new Epic for a long time. If I dig through my closets I might even find some old Chaos Marines. Anyone know when there will be new rules for Chaos? (I could look it up myself, but I'm way too lazy ;))

It might be time to move Gorgar and his Ravagers of Khorne to a whole new scale...

Hercco
21-04-2005, 18:19
Epic looks very interesting... But I've just gotten all out gaming group into Warmaster so pushing another new game is bit too early. Maybe in a six months or so. ;)

Frecus
21-04-2005, 20:24
I just took another look at the articles, and suddenly found out what I didn't like about the system, but discovered it wasn't as bad as I thought (or at least for non-marine armies, but as I dislike marines, it doesn't matter).

So, if I find some good scratchbuilding opputunities, I might even try it! (I'm a relatively poor kid, but all my money goes into 28 mm elves & power armoured females. But I love scratchbuilding; Now only to finish my 1500 pts BFG fleet...)

Frecus
The glade wanderer
Madwarrior

StugMeister
21-04-2005, 21:24
So, if I find some good scratchbuilding opputunities, I might even try it! (I'm a relatively poor kid, but all my money goes into 28 mm elves & power armoured females. But I love scratchbuilding; Now only to finish my 1500 pts BFG fleet...)

I think proxying works fine in Epic. For example with my chosen army - SiegeMasters; The bog-standard IG infantry are cheap enough and most, if not all of the other units such as Siegfrieds, artillery and Ragnoraks can easily be proxied with models from other lines such as WWII minis.

For my SiegeMasters I'm buying the GW Ragnoraks and Siegfrieds and making up my arty companies from ForgeWorld Earthshaker platforms wit the transports being proxied with WWII ARVs.

twisted_mentat
22-04-2005, 04:02
The only thing about Epic that drove me nuts was the sheer amount of unsaveable firepower Orks could put out....It wans't a problem for guard, but marines....when you take somethng like 20 hits from deathrays on one unit...your toast...

But other than that...yes, Epic Rocks!

the best part is i didn't have to buy a single model to play it...as i just used my old epic 40k stuff, combined with space marine stuff...oh yea...

old lead (YES LEAD) reaver titans...

Karhedron
22-04-2005, 12:09
Anyone know when there will be new rules for Chaos? (I could look it up myself, but I'm way too lazy ;))

Well you can find the Black Legion/Generic Chaos list here. http://www.specialist-games.com/epic/assets/pdf/vault/BlackLegionv331.pdf

Or the Lost and the Damned here. http://www.specialist-games.com/epic/assets/pdf/vault/LostDamnedv21.pdf

Lists for pretty much all the Epic armies are available to download and they are considered Tournement legal until the official lists are done IIRC.

Paddy
22-04-2005, 13:58
Terrain for peanuts (http://www.oldcrowmodels.co.uk/6mm.htm)

Frecus
22-04-2005, 14:25
[QUOTE=StugMeister]I think proxying works fine in Epic. For example with my chosen army - SiegeMasters; The bog-standard IG infantry are cheap enough and most, if not all of the other units such as Siegfrieds, artillery and Ragnoraks can easily be proxied with models from other lines such as WWII minis.QUOTE]

:D

I didn't mean proxying, I meant hardcore scratchbuilding! No $$$ needed if I'm lucky! :cool:

Thinking of this, how would one scratchbuild 48 infantry bases for LatD from the vault? I guess I can sneak a bit with the big mutants, putting 3 on a base, and other mutants at 4 per base, making for... Still 120 cultists, 56 mutants and 30 big mutants in this list I made!

Frecus
The glade wanderer
Madwarrior

Eversor
22-04-2005, 16:59
Well you can find the Black Legion/Generic Chaos list here. http://www.specialist-games.com/epic/assets/pdf/vault/BlackLegionv331.pdf
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Lists for pretty much all the Epic armies are available to download and they are considered Tournement legal until the official lists are done IIRC.

Thanks for the link, they hid that list well enough! Too bad the old daemon engines are missing. Guess I'll have to proxy a Lord of Battle for something...

As for tournament legality, I couldn't care less ;)

Drabant
22-04-2005, 18:11
The rules for the SG tournament saw GW have said only the officially released armies were legal (for that tournament). That is Codex Marines, IG, Orks, Feral Orks, Siegemasters, Swordwind Eldar.

Mouldsta
29-04-2005, 03:37
If you look, you might be able to find more epic players than you realise - I've just started it (literally only just) because I liked the look of the rules, but I can think of 5 players from my local GW (bristol) that play, you just don't their armies very often as most people want to play 40k/fantasy.

You can get people interested by running a campain - previously I could only think of two other BFG players, but someone decides to run a BFG campain and suddenly a load of fleets come out of the woodwork, and loads more people go out and buy themselves a fleet - there's now at least 10 BFG players in the store, and actively playing BFG (as in the BFG board now takes it's place as a regular feature).

The same happened when a necromunda campain was run last year.

Frecus
29-04-2005, 07:20
For anyone who's interested, I decided to go through with the scratchbuilding, and already have a warband of buggies. I don't have pics yet, but here's the thread, with pics on their way:
http://www.epic40k.co.uk/epicomms/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=4;t=2928

Frecus
The glade wanderer
Madwarrior

Brimstone
05-05-2005, 09:54
Well I had my first game of Epic last night against Lapsed Pacifist's superbly painted IG army.

Lot of learnings from the game on how to deploy my bug formations but I can see the potential. :D

Grumnir
07-05-2005, 07:57
Thumbs up to Paddy because they are some nice looking bits of terrain!

If i were in the UK i'd be looking into a couple settlements out of their buildings --> given the scale i've never been impressed with my efforts to build terrain

the archzealot
16-05-2005, 17:44
you think they will ever do a epic sisters list? Ive played a few games and really like the system. I just dont care for any of the present armies.

Drabant
16-05-2005, 17:52
BUBBLING UNDER
# Late 2005: Black Templars
# 2006: Chaos Space Marines, Cadians, Ulthwe, Blood Angels
# 2007: Necrons, Adeptus Mechanicus/Titan Legions, Orkamedies Garagnt Bigmob
# 2008: Tyranids, Iyanden, Sisters of Battle, Siam Hann
# 2009: Tau, Tyranid Splinter Fleet, Blood Axes, Dark Angels
# 2010: Lost & The Damned
# Unscheduled: Epic Air War (air combat rules), Adeptus Titanicus (Titan vs Titan rules)

Source: http://www.specialist-games.com/epic/catalogue.asp

But with the support Fanatic gets, you will just have to wait and see.

the archzealot
16-05-2005, 18:19
thanks for the info :)


BUBBLING UNDER

# 2008: Tyranids, Iyanden, Sisters of Battle, Siam Hann

wonder if this release year will be a campaign themed?


But with the support Fanatic gets, you will just have to wait and see

oh well, I waited longer to get my codex. till then I probably play guard. Ogryns rule, last game i played a unit of ogryns stomped a assult marine squad and fliped a vindicator. :D

fracas
16-05-2005, 21:33
i think the multi-army lists release will be in a campaign book format.

Morgan Keyes
16-05-2005, 21:33
you think they will ever do a epic sisters list? Ive played a few games and really like the system. I just dont care for any of the present armies.


Well there was an unofficial attempt at them by The Fifth Horseman, who also did a Guard Drop Troop list. The PDF is here (http://www.netepic.org/cgi-bin/gdCount/jumpurl.php?id=http://www.netepic.org/EPICA/files/SOBv2.PDF) I think.

Brimstone
16-05-2005, 22:33
That release schedule is a little out of date.

Tyranids for example are due next year.

twisted_mentat
17-05-2005, 04:46
Keep and eye on ebay, as often Epic stuff shows up there. Either the FW resen stuff (they made some really really nice stuff) or older Epic 40, Epic Space Marine or Titian legions stuff from the 90s. I mean, my marine army is 100% epic 40k and Space Marine stuff....

Why would i spend X amount on a package of Land Speeders when i have 12 of them stil on sprews?

the archzealot
17-05-2005, 22:26
Well there was an unofficial attempt at them by The Fifth Horseman, who also did a Guard Drop Troop list. The PDF is here (http://www.netepic.org/cgi-bin/gdCount/jumpurl.php?id=http://www.netepic.org/EPICA/files/SOBv2.PDF) I think.

thanks :)

I hope it gets the official status soon.

mattjgilbert
19-05-2005, 23:37
Damn...I thought this was a thread about 6mm scale boulders :p

Epic does indeed rock although I haven't played since Space Marine yonks ago. The club is slowly gathering armies and dusting of old models to start with the new rules though :)

Tastyfish
23-05-2005, 01:10
Certainly thinking of giving it a go with Tau (ye gods its expensive without plastics!), just as a rough scale how large should armies generally be?

Nice to see tyranids coming out soon, they would be the other army I'd get

Riftwalker
23-05-2005, 04:32
I've always wanted to start up Epic, but never really got the chance. Might have more success now, if I can get my friends to try...

Too bad my local GW has stopped stocking Specialist stuff. They used to have BFG, at least, but no longer...

Karhedron
23-05-2005, 10:54
Certainly thinking of giving it a go with Tau (ye gods its expensive without plastics!), just as a rough scale how large should armies generally be?
2700-3000 points seems to the standard for tournements and is probably equivelent to about 1500 points of 40K. A game that size should last 2-3 hours although it may be longer if it is youtr first game.

Tau do look like they have some fun stuff but I agree the lack of plastics would make your infantry a bit pricey. Still it would probably still cost less than a 40K army.