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StugMeister
11-09-2005, 19:20
So I'm slowly building up a SiegeMasters army, I was wondering if any other of you guys are doing Epic?

What armies do u play, what kinda games do u get?

The Ape
11-09-2005, 19:49
Iv been playing Epic:A regularly since it came out (and have played the previous versions-but to a lesser extent).

Have got a space marine army which i took took to the Specialist Games GT this year, and did ok with.

Have decided to start an imperial guard army which im hoping to take to OpenWar in October at Warhammer World

StugMeister
12-09-2005, 10:05
@Ape: What Chapter do you play as? Have u come up against any SiegeMaster armies yet?

I used to play Titan Legions a lot and also Epic40K when it came out. I used Orks in TL and Eldar in E40K.

The Ape
12-09-2005, 10:15
My Marines are painted as Ultramarines as the EpicA rulebook details a codex chapter. Iv found Marines quite tough army to master due to a lack of heavy duty tank-killing weapons - my two warhounds have served me well in that department. Think there are alternative chapter rules being play-tested.

Havent come up against a Siegemaster army yet, although i did very nearly start one-(its more expensive than a regular Guard army even with 50% staff discount-which i no longer have).

Most common opponent iv come up against is the speed-freak army and the regular ork army. The Eldar are a very good army in EpicA.

Jedi152
12-09-2005, 10:53
I've downloaded the rulebook, and i'd love to give it a go (a big guard tank company is too good an opportunity to miss!) but, as usual, i don't know any other players in my area ... (the reason i can't play Flames of War, Mordheim, Necromunda etc etc)

StugMeister
12-09-2005, 12:14
My Marines are painted as Ultramarines as the EpicA rulebook details a codex chapter. Iv found Marines quite tough army to master due to a lack of heavy duty tank-killing weapons - my two warhounds have served me well in that department. Think there are alternative chapter rules being play-tested.

Yeah I think SM are more about mobility and trying to get some decisive Firefights going, but Titans are always a good thing to take care of armour.


Havent come up against a Siegemaster army yet, although i did very nearly start one-(its more expensive than a regular Guard army even with 50% staff discount-which i no longer have).

I'm using the bog-standard ImpG infantry and I'm gonna use GHQ arty pieces for the big guns. I'm still using the proper Siegfried and Ragnoraks though coz i think they're cool minis!


Most common opponent iv come up against is the speed-freak army and the regular ork army. The Eldar are a very good army in EpicA.

Eldar were pretty cool in Epic40K too, how I wish I hadn't sold them... :eek: :cries:

StugMeister
12-09-2005, 12:15
I've downloaded the rulebook, and i'd love to give it a go (a big guard tank company is too good an opportunity to miss!) but, as usual, i don't know any other players in my area ... (the reason i can't play Flames of War, Mordheim, Necromunda etc etc)

I'm just lucky that my bros still has his Imperial Guard and SM Epic forces, plus he's quite willing to have a go at the new rules.

My other regular opponent sold his Epic Eldar when we stopped playing Epic40K, something which he, and I both regret! :(

neXus6
12-09-2005, 12:16
I'm going to be trying to build up a steel legion army soon, there are a few players in my area so that isn't to much of a problem. And it has been far to long since I've started a game I've not played before, learning is pretty fun.
...now back to trying to get an army on the cheap.

The Ape
12-09-2005, 12:49
I've downloaded the rulebook, and i'd love to give it a go (a big guard tank company is too good an opportunity to miss!) but, as usual, i don't know any other players in my area ... (the reason i can't play Flames of War, Mordheim, Necromunda etc etc)

There are a few EpicA players at Warhammer World on Thursday nights (1st Coy Vets games nite) - Played a couple of them at the GT - nice chaps.

Grimshawl
12-09-2005, 13:20
I've been playing Epic since Titan Legions, I have Marines, Orks, Speed Freeks and IG armies as well as the experiemntal rules for the Orkamedes Gargant Big Mobs list to run Gargant heavy forces and the Adeptus Mechanicus Titan Legions List for the Imperial Titans army I have. All of them are great although I find the Marines hardest to win with. I have three or four old school players in my area and two new players so I get a game in every once in a while. If you havent already you should check out the specialist games site and check out Epicomms forums, theres a link on the specialist games forum or just go search anyway they have loads of great epic info and interested members that might be near you.
I find I usually am getting between three to five thousand point games in, about a third of them are tournament style with objectives etc. the rest are either a simple scenario or just the beatdown your opponetts forces battle. Epic Armageddon is definetely a great edition/ rules set for epic. I really hope they continue supporting it and release the Chaos, Tyranid and Necron figures for it soon.

StugMeister
12-09-2005, 13:34
What size games are usually the best? Points-wise I mean.

I'm aiming for a 3000pt force, it means I can build up a sizeable force with four Infantry Companies backed up by some Ragnoraks, STanks, 3 Baneblades and an artillery company.

CyberShadow
12-09-2005, 13:41
Good to see more interest in the game! Tournament forces are usually 2700 points a side, but home games are often larger than this. I would build a core 2700 points, and then add formations to take it up to 3500 points, which is a good sized force.

The Ape
12-09-2005, 16:46
The SG GT was a 3k tournament, so i dont know if thats the new "preferred size" or not. It used to be 2.7k.

Of course it varies on the tournament organiser, but i think 3k is the best min size to aim for.

Brimstone
12-09-2005, 18:24
I've got a 3,000pt Tyranid army using the experimental Tyranid list.

I only get to use it occasionally though :(

StugMeister
12-09-2005, 19:26
Yeah I know how u feel Brimstone, I'm hoping to get a game within the next 3 months. The last time I played Epic was over five years ago i think!?

fracas
12-09-2005, 21:38
looking to start a 3k Siegemaster list myself
thought about IG but didn't like their tanks though i did like the valkyries
like the heavy siege tanks look though and the rules are flavorful

StugMeister
13-09-2005, 08:15
Siegemasters are an interesting mix, i think the list is more balanced than the standard IG one. For example, u need an Infantry Company to get two more units such as Ragnoraks or Arty whereas in the IG one u can go for an entire Tank army.

My bro goes for the IG tank army approach and I find it quite a blunt army without much scope for Tactics unlike the Eldar and SM forces I've used/gone against.

Brushmonkey
13-09-2005, 08:58
I've got about 10,000 pts of Marines/Titans at the mo. 3000 pts painted (tourny army). Epic is the best game that GW do at the moment and I heartily urge anyone to try it.

Oh, I am also The Ape's nemesis at Epic... :D

StugMeister
13-09-2005, 10:03
Epic is the best game that GW do at the moment and I heartily urge anyone to try it.


It really is isn't it!? I just works a helluva lot better than the rest of the systems. Perhaps because it seems so much more fluid than the slow slog that is WammaFantasy and the cobbled-together 40K (2nd ed was cool though).


Oh, I am also The Ape's nemesis at Epic... :D

And what does The Ape have to say to that!? :eek:

So do u two play regularly? I'd be interested in some Epic bat reps, if anyone's got any lying around? :rolleyes: ;)

CyberShadow
13-09-2005, 10:11
I'd be interested in some Epic bat reps, if anyone's got any lying around?

Have a look here:

http://www.epic40k.co.uk/force/index.html#report

All the best.

The Ape
13-09-2005, 10:22
And what does The Ape have to say to that!? :eek:

So do u two play regularly? I'd be interested in some Epic bat reps, if anyone's got any lying around?

I hate him :mad:

He truly is my nemesis at Epic. I am yet to beat him although it has been close on a couple of occasions-and i did finish higher than him at the GT :evilgrin:

No battle reports unfortunately - but next time we play (i'll be using my guard army for only the 2nd time) i will take notes.

I dont think the all tank company force is the way to go with guard - far too fragile - especially to teleporting terminators! I say that having experienced it both on the receiving end and the giving end. A combined arms force is the way to go, without a doubt.

Brushmonkey
13-09-2005, 11:05
No bat reps at the moment, but we'll look into doing some soon.

StugMeister
15-09-2005, 11:09
Damn it! I just checked Forgeworld for their trenches and fortifications! It doesn't look like they do them anymore - DANG! I knew I should've ordered some a year back!!!

Any ideas where a SiegeMaster commander might be able to get some suitable fortifications for his little guys to live in?

The Ape
15-09-2005, 11:25
Think there are some templates in the back of Swordwind-depending on how constructive minded you are

firestorm40k
15-09-2005, 12:24
I've been playing 40k for nearly 6 years, but in the last year I've become totally addicted to Epic... even though there's no one around to play against!

I'd flirted with epic about four years ago, I got hold of the third edition (Epic 40k) rule books, and though I liked the look of it I was put off by having to paint loads and loads of tiny soldiers... :skull:

When they put the Adeptus Titanicus II rules on-line, I bought a Warlord and two of the Forge World War Hounds, and had a few games with my mate. It's a really fun game, it made a great change from 40k!

When Armageddon (4th Edition) was released, I bought a Guard army, nearly 3,000 points worth. I still have to finish painting it!

About a year ago I decided to make an Epic Space Marine army to compliment my 40k army, the Fire Storm Chapter. I've still not finished that either! :eyebrows:

This is all because I discovered various forums (specialist games, (http://www.specialist-games.com/forum/default.asp) EpiComms (http://www.epic40k.co.uk/epicomms/ikonboard.cgi) ) and loads of experimental army lists!

I have since, courtesy of certain internet auction sites ;) come in to possession of enough minis to make an Ork army, an Iron Warriors army, and a second Space Marine army, which I've used as Iron Hands (this latter is the only one so far which is closest to being finished & painted!).

I've been involved in discussing rules for an experimental Epic Inquisition list (see it here (http://www.specialist-games.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1447) ), and am putting together an Inquisitor formation, a couple of Death Watch formations, and I've scratch built an Inquisition Drop Fortress!

I love Epic because I feel that when you try and have battles in 40k with massive 2000+ points armies, it becomes to cumbersome. If you want to field a massive army (and let's face it, we'd all rather field an IG COMPANY, not just a platoon! :p ) then Epic is the way to go.

lord_blackfang
15-09-2005, 13:15
Several people in my local gaming group have started collecting Epic recently, myself included. I'm slowly building up an Ork army from scraps I find on eBay.

StugMeister
15-09-2005, 13:44
eBay's the way to go with Epic i think. Not only is it far far cheaper but also you get some of the great classic models too like the old Bombards and StormHammers!

Mouldsta
15-09-2005, 17:08
The best way to get others playing is to ask around the older regulars untill you find one who either has an epicA army, or can make one out of older epic to play you. If you play in a store, then people playing a different game draws attention to it - you find out that others have armies at home, but didn't think anyone plays.

Then you get new people liking the look of the game and going out and buying epic stuff.

I did exactly this in the bristol store - I fancied playing, so I bought an army, fouund an opponent and played every week for several months - soon more players came out of the woodwork, and several people went out and bought armies. Epic (at the moment) is the 3rd most played game in our store, right after 40K and WHFB

StugMeister
15-09-2005, 23:23
If you're looking for Epic players you can always do the player search on http://www.epic40k.co.uk/

It came up with about half a dozen players within reach of me.

Malakai
17-09-2005, 14:09
My girlfriend and I are doing epic. She's playing a Marine army (Blood Ravens) and I'm doing an eldar army of my own craftworld.


Malakai

StugMeister
17-09-2005, 21:32
Good to hear that Malakai!

I've asked my bro if he's interested in playing it again and he's all good with it. Also found out oday that a mate of mine is interested too - BOOYA!

StugMeister
20-09-2005, 14:45
YAY! I've got a game of Epic on Thursday - my first for years.:D

I'll get some pics posted of the battle. It's only gonna be about 11255pts but it should make for a fun game methinks. I'll be using my SiegeMasters versus my bro's Ultramarines (or ImpG, but I'm hoping Ultras).

Grimshawl
20-09-2005, 15:19
If you actually ment 11255pts then thats not a small force nowadays, if your pointing up and epic Armageddon force those are normally 3000 to 5000pts on average.

The Ape
20-09-2005, 18:50
I think there may be a typo somewhere Grimshawl!

3k takes about 2 hours to play if both players know what they are doing...

StugMeister
20-09-2005, 19:31
1125pts, thats it - just one thousand,one hundred and twenty five points!

With my force I can have 2 Infantry Companys, 1 Ragnorak Comp, 1 Siegfried Comp and 2 BaneBlades (StormHammers).

BTW: I've just gotten hold of some StormHammers, it says in the Epic rulebook that u can use them as Bandeblades but with a different weapon config. How does this work? Same points but different guns>

Karhedron
20-09-2005, 19:46
BTW: I've just gotten hold of some StormHammers, it says in the Epic rulebook that u can use them as Bandeblades but with a different weapon config. How does this work? Same points but different guns>
There are 2 ways to use them. In tournement games you can simply count them as Baneblades, same cost same stats. In friendly games you can use the alternative stats in the back of the book with your opponent's consent.

StugMeister
20-09-2005, 21:09
Cheers Karhedron!

I think i'll go with them as StormHammers then, they get 2x Demolishers and 4x HBolters.

StugMeister
22-09-2005, 22:35
Right, gonna try a mini Bat Rep here.

Had my first game for YEARS tonight - my SiegeMasters versus my Bro's Ultramarines.

I had 2 Infantry Companies (1 as a RegHQ), 1 Ragnorak Comp, 1 Siegfried Comp and 2 BaneBlades (StormHammers).

He had 2 Land Raider Detatchments and a Tactical Detatchment.

Heres deployment, we set a basic objective as a research building bang centre of the table.

StugMeister
22-09-2005, 22:42
Sorry about posting this over multiple posts but I think it'd make it more confusing if I did it in one lump!

Anyway the Ultramarines got the initiative and advanced up the centre of the board, getting within range of a StormHammer and Inf Company which both came under heavy fire. The StormHammer supporting the Inf Companies fired off it demolisher shells at the Tactical marines to its front killing just one unit. The central StormHammer tried to take on the LandRaiders in the centre but failed its initiative test.

Then the other LR Det took some shots at the Ragnoraks but did no damage. Finally it was the Guard's turn to advance and the infantry moved into the ruins, firing as they went, ready to take on the Tactical Marines next turn. The Siegfrieds also headed at full pelt to support the Infantry.

StugMeister
22-09-2005, 22:51
T2 started with the Ultramarines going first again. My brother decided to charge with his Tactical Detatchment despite the fact that it would've been better to move away more. The brave Marines from Ultramar took on the Infantry Comp directly to their front but unfortunatley the odds were against them and they had to withdraw taking 3 casualties to the IG's 1.

With the Tactical Detachment withdrawing in the centre my Inf Comp in the centre consolidated their position. The RegHQ Inf follwed by the Siegfrieds also headed at full pelt up the flank, taking up position in some ruins to the rear of the objective.

Meanwhile the LandRaiders, StormHammers and Ragnoraks continued blasting at eachother which resulted in the Ragnoraks breaking after loosing 2 of their number.

StugMeister
22-09-2005, 22:56
The third turn was upon us and the Ultramarines AGAIN took the initiative.

With his position now looking untenable my brother retreated his Tactical Detachment onto the objective itself, making a last stand. His LandRaiders on the outskirts destroyed the Ragnoraks sending them packing.

My StormHammers rubbled around the ruined town, one taking a couple of shots at the Tactical marines, killing some more of them. Finally, after the Siegfrieds had shot up a couple of Rhinos, the RegHQ headed in bayonets fitted. They ousted the Marines and the battle was theirs!!!

StugMeister
22-09-2005, 22:58
Now being that this is the first game of Epic I've played for years i think it went quite well. I think the Epic:Armageddon rules really do make for a more fluid game and also represent the effects of fire better than previous incarnations.

We played with armies of about 1125pts each and used a small table so that it would allow for a quicker game and allow the both of us to get to grips with the newer rules.

orangesm
24-09-2005, 05:58
Thanks Stug for the BRP... I may be playing Ultramarines vs Orks tomorrow and will take some shots and post them - it will be like a 3000 pt game. I am about to build a Mechinized IG regiment - using the Stormtrooper minis as standard inf (we dont have Cadian minis so)... Eventually will have 10,000 points of Epic - which isnt really that difficult.

Malakai
24-09-2005, 15:53
Nice Batrep StugMeister. Reading epic battles is always a rare treat, plus the photos of the armies were well done. Nicely painted models and everything. Can't ask for anything more. Thanks for posting it.


Malakai

StugMeister
24-09-2005, 16:02
Cheers Orangesm and Malakai!

I must apologise for some of the metallic terrain though - just got the ruins off eBay and still havn't managed to paint them yet.

@Orangesm - I think I can speak for all us Epic guys when I say we're looking forward to seeing some photos from your battle. Even if its not a full bat rep, just photos would be nice.

orangesm
24-09-2005, 18:22
I have had an idea of designing rules for a continent scale/world scale Epic Campaign. I think these would be fairly easy to make up. I also thought it would be cool to incorperate some BFG - battles to try and reinforce your forces and some Kill Team for specs ops stuff.

Mouldsta
24-09-2005, 18:55
Th ultimate battle *TM* if you have a weekend to spare is start with a game of BFG, with the aim of the attacker to land troops on a planet (that the defender is defending). Any boarding actions are decided by.....playing space hulk! (swap termies/gene stealers for whatever forces you're using). How well the team does decides what damage is done to the enemy ship.

When the game of BFG is over then play a game of epic using what you've landed (decide on your own sytem of working out what's landed, either 1 point of landed stuff = 500pts of epic, or 1 point = 1 random unit rolled from a table or whatever). We went with a system of drawing up a 10,000 point army and spreading it over a number of ships. Ships could only land what they held, so any destroyed lost their cargo as well. Having too much in one ship meant it took a lot longer to land everything from that ship.
The defender gets 3000pts of epic to defend with *and MUST have a supreme commander*.

Fight the game of epic normally, except that any assaults are resolved with a game of 40K instead - whatever went into the assault is what you get to use in 40K (e.g. 4 stands of assault marines = 20 assault marines in 40K). Units that are lending suporting fire are included as well in the game of 40K.
Suporting units are not allowed to charge.
At the end of 6 turns add up what's dead from the assualting/assaulted units (dead supporting units don't count) and apply this to the epic results (e.g. 5 dead marines = one dead stand of marines. In the case of fractions, like 3 dead marines, then round fractions to the nearest whole number).
Resolve combat resolution using epic rules (roll 2 dice etc).
*If you run across units that can't be used in 40K, like great gargants, then resolve their attacks etc using standard epic rules*

The aim of the game is to kill the enemy commander. If you ever get into base combat with your commander and theirs in the game of 40K, then resolve that fight with a game of inquisitor. If their commander is an ork in a great gargant, then play a game of kill team as you infiltrate the gargant - "assault on gargant 13". (But you have to beat the gargant in an assault first!) Resolve the final fight against the big boss as a game of inquisitor.

After this mamoth effort, you'll either have killed their commander and won, or failed somewhere along the line and lost. Either way, swap over (probably after a month of rest) and have the other person attack.

Note that the supreme commander can be killed through shooting, but it's less heroic this way :D

StugMeister
26-09-2005, 19:28
@orangesm & Mouldsta; Those are both very good ideas for encorporating other GW games into Epic and vice versa to make for great campaigns! But Mouldsta, yours is overkill!!! Would be great to try though.

Mouldsta
26-09-2005, 20:28
Yeah, I warn you it takes forever - ours took about a week, and that was because near the end we avoided assaults to speed it up.

It is good fun though, as we had marines fighting their way through hordes of orks to rip the heart out of the warboss.

When you have a game of 40K that features 60 boyz, 20 grotz and 20 nobz and 8 battlewagons (one big mob) with a ton more orks around the edge shooting in, it becomes quite a challenge :D (luckily I assaulted with a formation of landraiders and 2 formations of termies, with supporting fire from 2 full tac squads)

The biggest problem though is finding models for stuff - my marine army had to aproach the planet in disguise as a chaos fleet (as I don't own a marine fleet), and a lot of CSM's had to join my marine army to bulk up the numbers for 40K (as suprisingly enough i don't own 40 termies at 40K scale)

The ultimate goal one day is to own all the appropriate armies, all the bits needed for each game, have all the scenery done, and have EVERYTHING painted.

Malakai
26-09-2005, 22:44
Unfortunately for me, being an Eldar player I would have to have access to alot of FW tanks to do something like that for epic. I would instead pick one formation to transfer to 40K scale and play the assault like that. All kinds of scenerio opportunities can be incorporated into just one assault that has repercussions on a game of Epic.

Malakai

Mouldsta
27-09-2005, 09:14
One of the great things about E:A is its speed and the satisfying way it resolves Assaults (aka 40k scale battles). I'm not sure why, except on a lark, you would want to resolve every Assault with a 40k scale game.


Because we thought it would be funny, and quite cool to revolve all the fights up close and personal.

That's why the boarding actions in BFG were games of space hulk, the epic assaults were games of 40K, after beating an ork gargant we played kill team as a small squad advanced through the machine, and the final fight between the boss and you is done in Inquisitor.

The whole point was that each aspect was important, from how well your boarding team managed to sabotage the engines, down to right at the end which cut was parried and which counter attack hit home.

The idea was to have a very grand scale campaign, not a game that could be wrapped up in 2 hours.

Wolflord Havoc
29-09-2005, 11:08
Have collected 100+ worth of Epic Tau and am slowly cleaning and building them

They are gorgous models and I love the Hammerheads

So far I have enough for 3 Hammerhead Cadre's (each with 3 Railgun Varient and 1 Ion Gun varient)

A Fire warrior Cadre + Devilfish + Drones + Ethereal ,

2 Crisis Cadres with Commanders + Drones

My mate has collected a reinforced company of Imperial Fists inc several of the rather yummy Thunderhawk and a Transporter.

We have 'absorbed' the rules but have not really played a game yet

StugMeister
29-09-2005, 18:22
The rules will only start sticking after a few games. Even though I've been reading through the rules a lot I had to keep going back to them during my little game.