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DeathlessDraich
30-05-2008, 12:08
I doubt whether any tournament will allow SOC anymore but does that mean that SOC armies will never be used against normal armies?

Does anyone still play with SOC?

EvC
30-05-2008, 12:24
Well I believe that every list in the book has now been superceded?
Middenheim - Empire
Archaon's Horde - new WD list :(
Daemons - Daemons
Cult of Slaanesh - not worth doing without Daemons
Slayers - Dwarfs
Sea Patrol - High Elves
Sylvania - Vampires
I guess the Brets are still around, and could be used. But I think it's simplest just to ignore the book from now on!

vesp
30-05-2008, 12:56
SoC armies can always be used against others, providing you and your opponents don't mind playing SoC narrative games with the suitable themed army list. I've played a couple recently, and we've always accepted that it's basically a glorified scenario.

ZeroTwentythree
30-05-2008, 13:51
Well I believe that every list in the book has now been superceded?



Clan Eshin?

nasty_little_hobbit
30-05-2008, 14:07
I still think some of the lists still could be viable.Cant see why the cult of ulric list shouldnt be used, even with SOC over they would still have a standing army available and surely those troops specialised to just the cult ulric army would still be available to the army in a fluff sense and so would be willing to fight even now?
Ive tried a 1000pt list against a friends O&G and found it effective( I did proxy most of the army I have to say).
H.

==Me==
30-05-2008, 14:12
Clan Eshin?

Shh, it's better that they don't know;)

Finnigan2004
30-05-2008, 14:33
Shh, it's better that they don't know;)

What?!!! How could anyone not love an army of giant ninja rats?

==Me==
30-05-2008, 15:00
What?!!! How could anyone not love an army of giant ninja rats?

The Eshin way is stealth, and we prefer it if the enemy thinks us gone-gone, so they don't expect anything until our adepts slit their throats as they sleep.

BloodiedSword
30-05-2008, 15:52
I never actually played with a SoC army. The closest I got to it was once I was playing my HE army as normal and pointed out to my opponent "by the way, if I was playing the Sea Guard then I'd get a free round of shooting".

We worked out what would have happened had I been playing Sea Guard, shook our heads in disgust at the carnage, and moved on.

EDIT: This was the original version of Sea Guard, though I gather they nerfed it later on so you no longer had completely unrestricted shooting?

ZeroTwentythree
30-05-2008, 18:01
I played the eshin list once and was not terribly impressed.

I've played against the dwarf slayer list and the daemon list. I didn't mind the daemons (which were still pretty tough), but the slayer list was ridiculous. I fought it to a draw (with more VPs in my favor) and was happy as that was about the best I could have hoped for. (Though I later realized that my opponent was "stacking" MR, which shouldn't have happened unless they have some sort of special rules for that...)

Stouty
30-05-2008, 18:12
I played the eshin list once and was not terribly impressed.

I've played against the dwarf slayer list and the daemon list. I didn't mind the daemons (which were still pretty tough), but the slayer list was ridiculous. I fought it to a draw (with more VPs in my favor) and was happy as that was about the best I could have hoped for. (Though I later realized that my opponent was "stacking" MR, which shouldn't have happened unless they have some sort of special rules for that...)

No stacking MR, they were broken enough as it was. IMO it was them and the Sea guard that were responsible for giving the SoC lists a bad name. Big units of slayers that ended up earning VPs by simply dying (against a strength 5 attack if a slayer died they gained 10VPs or something. However you would gain no VPs until you killed over half of a unit, so the big units of slayers that you could kill maybe 2/3 of in the end just gave the enemy more VPs :()

logan054
30-05-2008, 18:44
Well lets be honest, i think the point in daemons was to kill off SoC, the chaos lists certainly seemed liked trial runs for how chaos was to end up, perhaps they did that with a few others (certainly seems that way hey).

DeathlessDraich
30-05-2008, 18:59
I played the eshin list once and was not terribly impressed.


Eshin was one of my favourites! The uncertainty was very Skavenlike although the tactics were predictable.

New VC has enhanced magic and its importance - not identical but some elements of Sylvania broadly speaking has influenced it.

New HE - Seaguard are cheaper - again some similarity to SOC

New Daemons - many identical units to SOC

Do you think that the new Skaven will be influenced by SOC?
Under Cover of Darkness is certainly a very Skaven special ability and I would like to see it incorporated. Eshin Triads are too strong though. The modified Skitterleap is also a possibility.