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Ancre
03-03-2009, 07:33
Hi ! Flipping through the forum I discovered this game a few days ago, downloaded the rules from the GW/SpecialistGames website, read them, and liked it, so I want to give it a try. But I am cursed in liking only around half the available minis for every army, so it means I will have to search elsewhere and I don't know where nor how to begin.

But first of all, are Empire or Orc&Goblins armies good armies for a beginner ? I would like to play an army that can field everything or almost and let me discover every aspect of the game and it seems those two fits in (and I like the background). But I have read here and there that orcs have a poor leadership and thus have a handicap so I hesitate.

The model range GW offers is limited and I would like to know if someone knew other mini-maker companies whose models could fit to warmaster scale, and other ways to procures figs in general (I am really bad at this kind of stuff, I can barely understand how Ebay works ...).

If I play orcs I would have liked to play a jungle savage orcs army with half-naked primitive orcs and forest goblins and spiders (and I'm even motivated enough to do a lot of conversion), but the warhammer range only have badland orcs and night goblins minis and I don't have the courage to scrapbuild the base of my force.

If I play empire I would have liked to do an empire with Kislev units or something, which I like much more than the normal empire range (and I could justify that by telling "well I play an army of the northern empire boundary" or something, it must be possible to do) but it seems those don't exist anymore ...

(And last but not least, the bonus question ! The fluff says a unit is not composed of a few men but of a lot, and that the general (player) diriges a huge army. What is the size of this army, and more important, compared to the country/population/other it comes from ? I surely would feel bad to depopulate an empire state, half of Ulthuan able men, a surviving lizardmen old city, or something like this :rolleyes: )

Thank you for reading me and sorry for the long indigest rant ! Ancre.

zoggin-eck
03-03-2009, 09:06
Hi there, welcome to the forum.

I rarely got to play Warmaster, but it really is worth it if you can find opponents.

Here is a decent list of 10mm figure manufacturers (and 6mm)

http://ermtony.pbwiki.com/10mm+Miniatures

One useful for fantasy:

http://www.kallistra.co.uk/

Pendraken has heaps of fantasy and also useful historics:

http://www.pendraken.co.uk/index.html

Irregular might be worth checking out, I have a number of their 6mm fantasy and ancient figures. They are a bit hit and miss, but cheap (not so sure about 10mm)

http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/

Eureka miniatures do a nice range of 10mm. I only own some of the beastmen though

http://eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=87_100

Anyway, I must say that some of Games workshop's warmaster stuff doesn't photograph well. I bought some orc boarboys and was pleasantly surprised.

I like the "exaggerated" features on Games Workshop's 10mm stuff. Some others just seem a little lifeless even in they are more realistic.

As for savage orcs, go for it! At this scale, much of the metal armour, shields etc. can be painted up as wood and bone and still look fine. Add some warpaint and it's obvious what they are :)

Good luck matey

Ancre
03-03-2009, 09:13
Oh my, I forgot an important question, the size of GW's warmaster figurines is 10mm right ? I wouldn't like to have an army of orcs the size of kobbolds or the size of giants ! Thank you very much for all those links, I'm surfing through them right now.

As for the savage orcs, I really want half-naked orcs with the caricatural little towel holding to a rope for belt (there probably is a word for this but I don't know it). Normal goblins would have been fine though, but they only have night one in huge robes. EDIT : You're right, looking carefully at them GW's orcs might do the trick.

Cpt. Drill
03-03-2009, 09:38
If you had of played this game a few years ago you would have had access to the full range of warmaster minis. These included savage orcs and forest goblins (I really wanted to do one... Possibly with giant squiggs as giants) also the kislev range with some really nice bear models!


The Empire/Kislev army would be quite easy to reproduce as most of the models are based on Medieval russians which i know there are many manufactorers making suitable models (although getting hold of 10mm bears is impossible...) This army could easily be made but you will need to look over the internet and find models you like.

The orcs will be harder, I am sure some company make orcs that look more savage than the gamesworkshop ones but I cant remember any off hand.

Oh and dont worry about orcs low leadership, once you get up close they have excillent troops for very cheap and will really show they are a good army when they are there.


As for unit scale... well... I think it changes with the battle, SOmetimes its nice to think that each unit you have is about 1000 men(/demons/trolls/whatever) it seems quite sensible and make the battles feel epic! Instead iof just thinking oh well my unit of halberdiers just got killed by some boar boys, you think Wow thats 1000 people dead...! 1000! But this doesnt really work for sieges... as you fit alot of units defending your walls and although some castles are big... not many can fit 10,000 men+ on their defenses!

Ancre
03-03-2009, 17:16
If you had of played this game a few years ago you would have had access to the full range of warmaster minis. These included savage orcs and forest goblins (I really wanted to do one... Possibly with giant squiggs as giants) also the kislev range with some really nice bear models!

Awww, is there a chance (even a small one) to see those figurines out for sale again ?


The Empire/Kislev army would be quite easy to reproduce as most of the models are based on Medieval russians which i know there are many manufactorers making suitable models (although getting hold of 10mm bears is impossible...) This army could easily be made but you will need to look over the internet and find models you like.

The orcs will be harder, I am sure some company make orcs that look more savage than the gamesworkshop ones but I cant remember any off hand.

Oh and dont worry about orcs low leadership, once you get up close they have excillent troops for very cheap and will really show they are a good army when they are there.

I will have to make the feather canes thingies kislev knights have on their backs though, and to make sure all the units from different companies effectively blend together well on the battlefield, but it seems to be doable. I strongly hesitate between the two armies now !

Thank you for all the advices !

azraelezekiel
03-03-2009, 17:39
Awww, is there a chance (even a small one) to see those figurines out for sale again ?
More chance of going snowboarding with Satan!




I will have to make the feather canes thingies kislev knights have on their backs though.

I think pendraken to 10mm polish winged knights.
These may get re-released.

TFGt
18-03-2009, 20:00
Thanks for putting this up this is very helpful.

Ancre
13-05-2009, 22:08
Hi it's me again ;

Searching into the few stores I could find in Paris, I found boxes of miniatures, but the size wasn't indicated, only scales, 1:72 and 1:75 if I remember. I would like to ask, does anyone knows what scale equals 10 millimeters ?

Ancre
14-05-2009, 17:57
Thank you very much tridente.bologna !

... So either there is nothing to find in Paris' stores or I am really bad at searching. :eyebrows:



And another link I found : Magister Militium (http://www.navigatorminiatures.com/default.asp) They have 10mm figurines that can do bretts well, and wonderful araby armies. As well as offering a nice range for WMA.