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hardrockfreak1337
09-04-2009, 04:27
I am new to fantasy, and I like the look and fluff of the Dark Elves. So, I bought their army book. This my first attempt at a large point tournament force with some of my own flare. All C&C is welcome.

Dark Elves Tournament

Dreadlord 267
-cold one
-pendant of khaeleth
-caledor's bane
-enchanted shield
-heavy armour
-sea dragon cloak

Sorceress (1) 147
-lvl 2
-dark steed

Sorceress (2) 160
-lvl 2
-sacrificial dagger

Sorceress (caddy) 185
-lvl 2
-2xdispel scroll

30x Dark Elf Warriors 219
-musician and standard bearer
(Sorceress 2 here)

30x Dark Elf Warriors 219
-musician and standard bearer

6x Dark Riders 167
-full command
-RxBs
-shields
(Sorceress 1 here)

6x Dark Riders 167
-full command
-RxBs
-shields

15x Black Guard 265
-full command
-Standard of Hag Graef

5x Cold One Knights 175
-full command
(Dreadlord here)

War Hydra 175

Repeater Bolt Thrower 100
(caddy here)

Repsajanus
09-04-2009, 09:28
First of all, do not give your Dark Riders shields, because if you do, they lose their fast cav rule. Do you really need to give them xbows? They serve as harassement units so they don't need full commands either, a musician should do.

You have a lot of magic, which is fine, but you could give your first sorceress the Darkstar Cloak (with the points of the commands on the dark riders).And a caddy should be lvl 1 IMO.

It's a solid list but I would try to either sneak in a unit of shades or an assassin to protect your sorceress in the unit of spearmen.

bob_the_small
09-04-2009, 20:36
Never, ever put your sorceress in the bolt thrower... put her in the other unit of spear men instead.. take off the command on the DR along with the shields and just give them shields.
Make the caddy level 1. Try and fit in 18 BG and make them 3deep and 6 wide... your dreadlord probably doesnt need the enchanted shield.. and make the DR 5 man but keep the xbows. you can also probably make the spearmen 24 instead of 30... see how that goes and work out the points, then we can give you more things to put in...

BOB

hardrockfreak1337
10-04-2009, 19:01
I decided to take some of your suggestions, as well as the suggestions of the members of other forums, to modify my list, and this is what the original list became.


Dark Elf 2250

Dreadlord 251
-cold one
-pendant of khaeleth
-deathpiercer
-enchanted shield
-heavy armour

Sorceress (1) 172
-lvl 2
-darkstar cloak
-dark steed

Sorceress (2) 160
-lvl 2
-sacrificial dagger

Sorceress (caddy) 150
-2x dispel scroll

25x Dark Elf Warriors 184(Sorceress 2 here)
-musician and standard bearer
-shields

20x Dark Elf Warriors 149
-musician and standard bearer
-shields

5x Dark Riders 117(Sorceress 1 here)
-musician
-RxBs

5x Dark Riders 117
-musician
-RxBs

2x5x Harpies 55(each)

15x Black Guard
-full command
-Standard of Hag Graef

5x Cold One Knights 200
-full command
-Pearl of Infinite Bleakness

War Hydra 175

2x RBTs 200

Total = 2250

Gobboman10
10-04-2009, 20:09
Nice i love black guard they romp

Dark14
10-04-2009, 23:32
drop the spears for xbows. also mabey drop some dark riders and harpies for another 5 COK.

hardrockfreak1337
11-04-2009, 04:11
Can you guys from now on figure out what to remove to make the modifications you are suggesting from now on?

PopeAlexanderVI
11-04-2009, 04:26
Drop Crossbows from Dark Riders (they pretty much should always be marching) and make the Black Guard unit 18 in a 6x3 formation.

hardrockfreak1337
11-04-2009, 05:56
If I drop the RxBs from the Dark Riders, then what is their strategic use? I intended them to be a harassment unit, they just seem bland and sucky without RxBs.

EDIT(did not want to double post):I had the idea to remove the second unit of spear men for 10 RxBs and three black guard. Another idea I had was to remove the Pearl from the dread knight and give him two null talismans. The second idea only works if I do the first.

Dark Apostle197
11-04-2009, 06:04
DR can march and fire as they are fast cav.

Still, I don't like them having xbows. They rarely kill anything and seems like a waste. Without they are still good for march blocking, killing warmachines, flanking, or going behind units so incase they flee they die.

bob_the_small
11-04-2009, 15:00
TRy and make your BG 18, 3 x 6.
The COK dont need the pearl of infinte bleakness (or emo gem as i like to call it), swap it for the ring of hotek on the BG champ.
Take the sorceress off the steed, she is a waste of points and she will just die, put her on foot in the spear men instead, that should pay for 1 more BG, with the remaining pointsmake the BG up to 18 and give upgrades to troops (put a champ in your spearmen)

hardrockfreak1337
11-04-2009, 15:22
Bob, should I kit the sorceress differently?What is so good about the Ring of Hotek in a magic heavy list?

bob_the_small
11-04-2009, 15:32
TBH, that isnt really a magic heavy list...

just deploy your army carefully like this

SPEARMEN ---------- BLACK GUARD --------- SPEARMEN
SORCERESS on edge here (ROH here) SORCERESS on edge here

Yeh kit your sorcereress like this =

Sorceress
lvl 2
dispel scroll
darkstar cloak

Sorceress
lvl 2
dispel scroll
sacrificial dagger

sorceress
x2 dispel scrolls

another thing is, if you are going magic heavy, take a lvl 4!!!

also since you have no other shooting apart from the DR, wouldnt you say reapers a waste of points in this army?

EvC
11-04-2009, 15:36
Great looking list, only a few tweaks to go and it will be perfect (whilst still being fun). I'd swap the Pearl (it's not like it prevents stupidity) for Crimson Death for the Black Guard champion myself, Ring of Hotek is take-it or leave-it.

hardrockfreak1337
12-04-2009, 06:27
Ok a few more changes.

Dark Elf 2250

Dreadlord 251
-cold one
-pendant of khaeleth
-deathpiercer
-enchanted shield
-heavy armour

Sorceress (1) 160
-lvl 2
-darkstar cloak


Sorceress (2) 160
-lvl 2
-sacrificial dagger

Sorceress (caddy) 150
-2x dispel scroll

25x Dark Elf Warriors 184(Sorceress 2 here)
-musician and standard bearer
-shields

10x RxB men 100(Sorceress 1 here)

5x Dark Riders 117
-musician
-RxBs

5x Dark Riders 117
-musician
-RxBs

2x5x Harpies 55(each)

18x Black Guard
-full command
-Standard of Hag Graef

5x Cold One Knights 200
-full command
-3x Null Talismans

War Hydra 175

2x RBTs 200

bob_the_small
12-04-2009, 22:32
Now that's better, thats a very good list that will take on most things.. i think our work is done gentlemen

Deafwing
12-04-2009, 23:56
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that at the 2000+ point level, only 2 rare choices were permitted? I'm pretty sure at the 3000+ point level you can have 3 rare choices. Are the tournament rules different?

Jack of Blades
13-04-2009, 00:16
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that at the 2000+ point level, only 2 rare choices were permitted? I'm pretty sure at the 3000+ point level you can have 3 rare choices. Are the tournament rules different?

You get two RBTs per rare slot.