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Elrond12
15-04-2009, 19:07
Have any of you ever considered using a male wizard in your de.armys? Would they be played any different?:confused:

Frep
15-04-2009, 19:09
The only thing I can think of playing differently in your army would be not using black guard, as the servants of Malekith I imagine they would "dissaprove" of any male dark elf sorcerors, as the with-king forbids it. I have a notion their disapproval would involve the point of a halberd.

phoenixlaw
15-04-2009, 19:10
I guess you'd just use him as a 'counts as' Sorceress

Gorbad Ironclaw
15-04-2009, 19:12
As far as rules go there wouldn't be any difference at all. You are just using a different model for a Sorceress.

I used to use one of the Albion Wizards for one of mine, the evil guy (forgot the name).

Shamfrit
15-04-2009, 19:13
I've just started a Dark Elf army and I dispise the notion of 'female' only Sorceresses, I don't intend to use Black Guard, Witch Elves, Death Hags/Cauldrons, so I'm going to search out male sorceress models to use, with a corsair twist of course, to fit in with the army...

I don't think a horde of spiky armoured bloodthirsty pirates would look right with two semi naked woman at the centre of it.

theunwantedbeing
15-04-2009, 19:16
Level 1, sure...anything beyond that and he's a serious breach of DE law and is getting hunted down and killed from a fluff perspective.

It looks highly suspect if you include black guard in the army with a male magic user that isnt Malekith.

That being said, its your army, do what you like.
I choose to stick to using only female sorceresses as my magic users personally, just seems more "right" to me.

xragg
15-04-2009, 19:16
I still have my male games workshop DE wizard from like 10 years ago when I first had a DE army. I didnt realize it was a rare model, guess I will have to start using him rather then my naked chicks.

Ultimate Life Form
15-04-2009, 19:16
I don't think a horde of spiky armoured bloodthirsty pirates would look right with two semi naked woman at the centre of it.

I suspect the pirates may have a different view on this...

Shamfrit
15-04-2009, 19:20
I suspect the pirates may have a different view on this...

:rolleyes:

Get your mind out of the gutter, I meant thematically it wouldn't look right, lol.

Morathi's Darkest Sin
15-04-2009, 19:32
Depends if the semi naked person between the pirates can vaporise your head with a motion of the wrist. Respect comes pretty darned quick if you know the person can slay you in seconds. :D

I can dig the reasoning though, a Corsair Captain may wish to avoid 'owing' the Sorceress' a favour by asking for one of theirs. So hiring someone who just needs to be hidden when in the dock isn't that hard to believe. Especially if there is a blood tie involved, once out at sea its not like he has to worry much.

But aye rules wise they'd be the same, and there are some nice male elf sorcerors out there by other 28mm companies.

Zoolander
15-04-2009, 19:37
In theory you could buy the empire wizard box and make some convincing sorcerers out of them (I made two awesome necromancers myself). The question begs, why though? The fluff for certain armies (bretonnian, dark elf, wood elf, etc.) dictates that they prefer female casters. I think it's cool. Rejoice that you get to use a female caster, which is pretty rare in the game. Just my 1 1/2 cents. ;)

Urgat
15-04-2009, 20:04
As far as rules go there wouldn't be any difference at all. You are just using a different model for a Sorceress.

I used to use one of the Albion Wizards for one of mine, the evil guy (forgot the name).

Dark Emissary. He doesn't strike me as particularly elvish, though :p

Griefbringer
15-04-2009, 20:14
Fluff-wise, I guess one could always theme an army around a renegade male sorceror on the run from Malekith and sailing around the world with his band of merry corsairs.

jp22102000
15-04-2009, 20:24
Aren't there a few male wizards? I thought there was some from before Malekith became king and thus avoided being killed.

Shamfrit
15-04-2009, 20:32
Fluff-wise, I guess one could always theme an army around a renegade male sorceror on the run from Malekith and sailing around the world with his band of merry corsairs.

If ever I come to Finland, I will bay thee a flagon of ale...nay, TWO flagons :D:D:D

That's my theme sorted, ta!

zak
15-04-2009, 20:35
Fluff is background only! If I chose to use a male wizard then I'm sure I'm not going to be struck down by lightning.

Gazak Blacktoof
15-04-2009, 21:31
If I chose to use a male wizard then I'm sure I'm not going to be struck down by lightning.

You will if malekith catches you.

Jack of Blades
15-04-2009, 21:34
Actually, this was answered directly by the guy who wrote the last DE book. He basically said ''male DE sorcerers are fine''. You'll have to take my word for it though, I unfortunately dont have a link or anything but I'm absolutely positive that he said that.

Urgat
15-04-2009, 21:58
No need for links, there's a whole passage about them, guess where?, in the DE armybook. I don't have it handy so you'll have to find the page, but basically they find jobs by being hired by those who don't want to deal with the Covent (read who don't want Malekith to know what they're up to).
So DE sorcerers exist, they're probably pretty rare, and are forced to leave "underground", but they do exist.

Bregalad
15-04-2009, 23:19
Yes, fluff explicitely allowes for male DE sorcerers, but they are rare and need to hide, as said. They even are present in Warhammer Online. But why replace the 5 possible female jobs in the Warhammer world?

Number 24
15-04-2009, 23:32
There is some fiction written that would seem to indicate that Malekith can tolerate male sorcerers under certain circumstances. The Darkblade books depict male sorcerers living within the structure of the Temple of Khaine without repercussion, but only if there is some special portent that seems to grant them a special destiny.

I think the biggest reason to use male sorcerers is the horrific old miniatures for the dark elf sorceresses. The supreme sorceress models are alright, but the sorceress models look like they're carved out of play-doh. How long will it be before GW sees fit to replace these dogs?

Ertle
15-04-2009, 23:54
Not really familiar with Dark Elf fluff but why must dark elf sorcerers hide while the sorceresses run free?

Sorry for the slight derail.

vinny t
16-04-2009, 00:23
Well, if I remember correctly there was a prophecy that said that Malikith would be overthrown by a male sorceror or something to that effect.

Anyway I like that idea of a male sorceror on the run from Malikith. You could use lots of shades as just tribes who owe no loyalty to him.

Sidorio
16-04-2009, 01:00
If I keep my Dark Elves going the only type of sorcerer I would use wuld be the male one. I was going to use one o the WE models and convert it to look a bit more evil. Great them for your army too.

Ultimate Life Form
16-04-2009, 07:10
I didnīt know there was such a high demand in emancipated spellcasters. Have any of you similar ambitions? Do you absolutely have to have

- a Sigmarite Matriarch for a Priest?

- a Bretonnian Damsel for an Empire Wizard?

- Queen Khalida for a Lich Priest, as my friend does?

Obviously itīs a way to make your army stick out. What would you think about a female Skryre Warlock?:D This may be proof that youīre better off genderless. No Ork/Goblin/Skink emancipation needed!

Bregalad
16-04-2009, 08:25
I think the biggest reason to use male sorcerers is the horrific old miniatures for the dark elf sorceresses.
Then use one of these:

Avatars of War: http://www.arena-deathmatch.com/images/aow08.jpg
Freebooter http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/shop/index.php?cat=WG289&product=FRBO_DUN006
http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/shop/index.php?cat=WG289&product=FRBO_DUN005
http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/shop/index.php?cat=WG287&product=FRBO_WEI009
Wargods of Hyperborea http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/shop/index.php?cat=WG986&product=WGH-201
Reaper http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/shop/index.php?cat=WG18&product=REA03361
http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/shop/index.php?cat=WG128&product=REA03110
http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/shop/index.php?cat=WG128&product=REA03337
http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/shop/index.php?cat=WG298&product=REA14078
http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/shop/index.php?cat=WG18&product=REA02967
Paizo GameMastery http://paizo.com/store/gameAids/gameMasteryProducts/compleatEncounters/v5748btpy7ux6

to name just a few.

Urgat
16-04-2009, 08:53
Yes, fluff explicitely allowes for male DE sorcerers, but they are rare and need to hide, as said. They even are present in Warhammer Online. But why replace the 5 possible female jobs in the Warhammer world?


You wouldn't believe how many times I've had to explain that no (for once), Mythic didn't screw up the fluff by adding male sorcerers... And btw, the natural selection remains, you see way more sorceresses than sorcerers, at least on the server I play :p

Gorbad Ironclaw
16-04-2009, 16:52
Of course there are male sorcerers in Naggaroth, but since Malakith makes it his hobby to have them killed there probably isn't more than a dozen or so. And they are almost certainly very good at what they do. If they wasn't they would be dead already. And they probably spends there time hiding in fortresses in the main.

I always imagined my non-female mage model was a demonic servant of some sort.

wolfslough
16-04-2009, 18:59
In theory you could buy the empire wizard box and make some convincing sorcerers out of them (I made two awesome necromancers myself).

I was actually thinking about doing that except with the high elf wizard box and for wood elves :p I'm sure high elf converted to dark elf would be a bit easier on the eyes then a slumpy man-thing :p though I'm totally stealing your idea for converting them to necromancers!

RainbowConnickJr
17-04-2009, 06:23
Even though the fluff states that male magic-users are strictly forbidden in Naggaroth, one of the great things about the Dark Elves is that only the weak have to obey the rules. For example, Morathi flaunts her own rules against sorceresses belonging to the Temple of Khaine, and Malekith himself is a potent magician. And as I seem to recall, the narrator of most of the 6th edition Dark Elf army book was himself a sorcerer, and one who seemed to be quite in the Witch King's good graces to boot.

In short, feel free to have a male sorcerer. A crafty, cunning, and devious sorcerer.