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vinny t
20-04-2009, 18:36
What do you think is the maxiumn number of points you can put in characters in a normal 2250 point list without using any special characters?

I got…Slaan with Focused Ruination, Soul of Stone, Becalming Cogitation, Focus of Mystery, BSB, Fear banner, and 4 Dispel Scrolls
Priest on Engine of the Gods with 2 Dispel Scrolls
Priest on Engine of the Gods with 2 Dispel Scrolls
Priest on Engine of the Gods with 2 Dispel Scrolls

1970 points!

Lets see if you can beat it.

Malorian
20-04-2009, 18:42
I don't have the book on me but can't the DE heros go on manticores?

With a lord mage on a dragon they might stand a chance... (probably not though...)

moose
20-04-2009, 19:00
Dark elves;

Supreme sorceress - Black Dragon, Level 4, 100pts items - 680pts

Master - Chariot, lance, pair handbows, heavy armour, shield, sea dragon cloak, 50pts items - 250pts

Master - Chariot, lance, pair handbows, heavy armour, shield, sea dragon cloak, 50pts items - 250pts

Master - Chariot, BSB, Banner of Nagarythe, lance, pair handbows, heavy armour, shield, sea dragon cloak - 350pts

TOTAL - 1530pts

The best DE can do without special characters :). (Manticores take up hero slots so are less 'points ineffective')

Disciple of Caliban
20-04-2009, 20:54
What do you think is the maxiumn number of points you can put in characters in a normal 2250 point list without using any special characters?

I got…Slaan with Focused Ruination, Soul of Stone, Becalming Cogitation, Focus of Mystery, BSB, Fear banner, and 4 Dispel Scrolls
Priest on Engine of the Gods with 2 Dispel Scrolls
Priest on Engine of the Gods with 2 Dispel Scrolls
Priest on Engine of the Gods with 2 Dispel Scrolls

1970 points!

Lets see if you can beat it.
I havent ran the maths to check, but i assume your priests come with all the toys? extra levels etc? if they dont then i can beat you :)

A suitably tooled Greater deamon, and 3 heralds on chariots would get very pricy, though it would still fall short of the lizzies, the simple fact is most armies dont have access to heros that cost 300pts :)

W0lf
20-04-2009, 21:00
I wouldnt count the steg in the charaters points.

If you do its 100% obviously its lizardmen... i mean who else can get 400+ Pt 1 slot hero characters?.. yeah..

BattleofLund
21-04-2009, 04:43
... i mean who else can get 400+ Pt 1 slot hero characters?.. yeah..

Exalted Champion, BSB, Mark of Nurgle, greatweapon, shield, Banner of the Gods, 20 pts Gift of the Gods, Chariot. 413 points.

Too bad we can't spam BSBs!

WhiteKnight
21-04-2009, 06:02
Umm.......

Beastlord - Mark of Tzeentch, Black maul, chaos armor, shield, Crown of Horns, chariot of tzeentch

Wargor - BSB, Beast Banner, Mark of Tzeentch, great weapon, heavy armor

Wargor - Mark of Tzeentch, Pelt of the Dark Young, Dark Heart, great weapon, heavy armor

Wargor - Mark of Tzeentch, Trollhide Armor, Goretooth, shield , hand weapon

1035 points with beastmen

High Elves::

Prince: (standard star dragon build)
Mage: Chariot, level 2, 2 scrolls, silver wand
Noble:bsb, chariot, battle banner, heavy armor,shield, lance

Goes to 1161.

Braad
21-04-2009, 07:40
Black Orc Warboss on Wyvern, with heavy armour, a shield and the WAAAGH Cleave: 454
Black Orc Big Boss on chariot, shaga's screamin' sword, shield and heavy armour: 221
Black Orc Big Boss on chariot, horn of urgok, sword of might and shield: 221
Black Orc Big Boss on chariot, kickin' boots, sword of battle, collar of zorga, shield and heavy armour: 221

Total 1117

That's about it.
It could be a bit more expensive, but orc hero shamans can't go on chariots according to the book (which is probably a typo, as the gobbo's can), so I'll just stick to that.

Paz
21-04-2009, 07:46
DoC
Bloody, 3x Herald on Palaquin, lvl1 mage, staff of nurgle(one w/ chaos glory icon)
1495 Total

xragg
21-04-2009, 08:00
Dark elves;

Supreme sorceress - Black Dragon, Level 4, 100pts items - 680pts

Master - Chariot, lance, pair handbows, heavy armour, shield, sea dragon cloak, 50pts items - 250pts

Master - Chariot, lance, pair handbows, heavy armour, shield, sea dragon cloak, 50pts items - 250pts

Master - Chariot, BSB, Banner of Nagarythe, lance, pair handbows, heavy armour, shield, sea dragon cloak - 350pts

TOTAL - 1530pts

The best DE can do without special characters :). (Manticores take up hero slots so are less 'points ineffective')

Death Hags - Cauldrons, 50 pnts of gifts are also 250 pts
Death Hag /w BSB - Cauldron, banner of Nag, and 50 pnts of gifts is 400 pts

So add 50 pts to your total for 1580pts.

I would personally count the 3 tooled out assassins you could buy your 3 core units for 181 pts each bringing your total up to 2003pts. Leaving room for you 180pts needed for core troops.

genestealer_baldric
21-04-2009, 08:32
What do you think is the maxiumn number of points you can put in characters in a normal 2250 point list without using any special characters?

I got…Slaan with Focused Ruination, Soul of Stone, Becalming Cogitation, Focus of Mystery, BSB, Fear banner, and 4 Dispel Scrolls
Priest on Engine of the Gods with 2 Dispel Scrolls
Priest on Engine of the Gods with 2 Dispel Scrolls
Priest on Engine of the Gods with 2 Dispel Scrolls

1970 points!

Lets see if you can beat it.

3XEOTG fully tooled costs 1320, i dont think you can get the slann to cost 650 pts

almost in 2000 pts cant you take 4 heros if no lords so add another EOTG so thats 1760

or take a fullly tooled up scar oldblood on carnosuar.

BattleofLund
21-04-2009, 11:45
3XEOTG fully tooled costs 1320, i dont think you can get the slann to cost 650 pts

almost in 2000 pts cant you take 4 heros if no lords so add another EOTG so thats 1760

or take a fullly tooled up scar oldblood on carnosuar.

Slann + BSB + Magic Banner + Magic Items + full load of Disciplines of the Ancients does indeed only come to 600 points. 1,920 points: still champion, I think :( :). Kudos to vinny t.

genestealer_baldric
21-04-2009, 12:23
Wah?? realy wow for that price i would take mazzi but thats one seriously tooled up frog

BattleofLund
21-04-2009, 12:36
Wah??

Good instinctive point-spotting from you then!

sergio
21-04-2009, 18:58
runelord w/ anvil and 150pts of runes: 465
thane bsb - master rune of valaya (125 i think), 2x battle runes: 265ish
thane w/ 75 points of runes: 150ish

~870pts :|

vinny t
21-04-2009, 19:57
Yeah, I was kind of stunned at that though. I don't have my book on me, but I might make a DoC kit that could beat that.

GD lvl4, 100 pts of DGs
*3 Slaanesh hearld with stuff

Haha I'll work on it

Paz
21-04-2009, 20:33
Slann + BSB

General w/ BSB??

DarkTerror
21-04-2009, 21:06
General w/ BSB??

Haven't played much Lizardmen, have we?

BattleofLund
22-04-2009, 00:02
General w/ BSB??

Turns out Slann are not toads at all, but monkeys; making use of all four limbs they can hold the army battle standard, direct their troops, do magic - and shell peanuts at the same time!

Shiodome
22-04-2009, 00:49
i win!

nightgoblin warboss, light armour, shield, great weapon = 67
night goblin bigboss, light armour, shield, great weapon = 38
night goblin bigboss, light armour, shield, great weapon = 38
night goblin bigboss, light armour, shield, great weapon = 38
= 181 poi... oh, that's not right. :(

and O&Gsrule... dragons take a hero slot for high elves (in fact for every army except Empire afaik)

rtunian
22-04-2009, 00:54
vamp lord on zombie dragon, +magic level, full items/powers - 680
vamp bsb on hellsteed, drakenhof banner, full powers - 295
vamp on hellsteed, full items/powers - 220
vamp on hellsteed, full items/powers - 220
- 1415

Dexter099
22-04-2009, 01:27
Chaos Sorc lord on dragon, MoN, extra level, 150 points of items/gifts.

Exalted Champ, 25 points gifts, BSB, MoN, banner of the gods, Chariot with MoN.

Chaos Sorceror: extra level, MoN, 50 points of mi's, 25 points of gifts, Chariot with MoN.

*ditto*

comes in total to 1805.

BattleofLund
22-04-2009, 02:04
Chaos Sorc lord on dragon, MoN, extra level, 150 points of items/gifts.

Exalted Champ, 25 points gifts, BSB, MoN, banner of the gods, Chariot with MoN.

Chaos Sorceror: extra level, MoN, 50 points of mi's, 25 points of gifts, Chariot with MoN.

*ditto*

comes in total to 1805.

Illegal on three counts that I can see.
#1 Your Exalted Champ has 25 points of Gifts - how? No 25-point Gifts exist for non-Sorcerers.

#2 Second Chaos Sorcerer has 25 points of gifts - how? Duplicate Gifts in same army not allowed.

#3 Lord, Dragon, three Heroes - that's five character slots, one too many.

Methrin
22-04-2009, 03:40
Great Unclean One, lvl 4, full gifts. 670 pts.
Nurgle Herald BSB, standard of chaos glory, lvl 1 and full gifts. 415 pts.
2 heralds of slaanesh, lvl 1, chariot & full gifts. 265 pts a pop.

Grand total of 1615 pts.

Even VC can't go much farther than about 1400 from what I can see.
HE can reach 1501 with Archmage on dragon, 2 mages in chariots and a BSB, not bad.

djkest
22-04-2009, 04:26
Demons of Chaos
Keeper of Secrets, lvl 4, Gifts (100) [670]
Herald of Nurgle, lvl 1, Palanquin, BSB, Icon of Chaos Glory, Gifts (50) [415]
Herald of Nurgle, lvl 1, Palanquin, Gifts (50) [265]
Herald of Nurgle, lvl 1, Palanquin, Gifts (50) [265]

1615 points!!

And it would actually be decent in the magic phase, if you picked your gifts right.

djkest
22-04-2009, 05:11
Chaos Sorc Lord, lvl 4, Tzeentch, crown of everlasting conquest, skull of katam, diabolic splendor, acid ichor, Chaos Dragon [810]
Exalted Hero, Chariot, Nurgle, Great Weapon, Shield, BSB, Stream of Corruption, Banner of the gods [413]
Exalted Hero, Chariot, Nurgle, Great Weapon, Shield, Bloodcurdling roar, Chaos Runeshield [313]

[[1536]]

theunwantedbeing
22-04-2009, 08:06
I've done this already in a previous post (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189835&page=2&highlight=Character+heavy).
In a 2k army lizards are the only army who can spend so many points that they cannot afford the minimum core if they max it out fully.

TheKingInYellow
22-04-2009, 18:36
Liche High Priest @ 510 Pts
Casket of Souls, 4 Dispel Scrolls

Tomb Prince @ 199 Pts
Chariot, Light Armour, Shield, Sword of Battle, Chariot of Fire

Tomb Prince @ 197 Pts
Chariot, Light Armour, Spear of Antarhak, Shield of Ptra

Tomb Prince @ 199 Pts
Chariot, Light Armour, Shield, Blade of Setep

Total: 1105

Finnigan2004
24-04-2009, 02:14
Actually, since assassins don't take character slots, you could field almost as many points as you want with characters in a dark elf army.

Dexter099
24-04-2009, 02:52
Illegal on three counts that I can see.
#1 Your Exalted Champ has 25 points of Gifts - how? No 25-point Gifts exist for non-Sorcerers.

#2 Second Chaos Sorcerer has 25 points of gifts - how? Duplicate Gifts in same army not allowed.

#3 Lord, Dragon, three Heroes - that's five character slots, one too many.

If #1 is removed, #2 doesn't exist anymore, #3 is invalid.

Only 4 Characters allowed, and 4 hero slots as well as 1 lord slot. Chaos Dragons take up a hero slot, but not a character slot.

BattleofLund
24-04-2009, 03:51
If #1 is removed, #2 doesn't exist anymore, #3 is invalid.

Only 4 Characters allowed, and 4 hero slots as well as 1 lord slot. Chaos Dragons take up a hero slot, but not a character slot.

1) What do you mean by 'If #1 is removed, #2 doesn't exist anymore'?

2) Is a hero slot not a character slot? How do you figure?


This was the thread's premise:

'What do you think is the maxiumn number of points you can put in characters in a normal 2250 point list without using any special characters?'

2,250 allows four characters, of which one may be a Lord. Yes?