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Hlokk
25-04-2009, 17:53
Right, if your like me, you can't be arsed to pay workshops prices and you're too lazy to sculpt your own stuff. This thread will (hopefully) become a resource where we can share alternative ideas for Workshop models.

The format for this thread will go as follows:

1: Post the name of the model GW produce
2: Name of alternative
3: Link to an alternative.
4: Any observations (ie: Do you own it, whats the detailing like etc...)

Right then, without further dudes, lets start with the new imperial guard:


Imperial Guard Infantry:
Pretorians Style
Wargames Factory Colonial Wars
http://www.wargamesfactory.com/_product_32543/British_Firing_Line_-_Zulu_War

Nepolionic style:
http://www.victrixlimited.co.uk/online_shop/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=541bf4cabd7db8f2751e8aa1523c15a0

World war 2 style cadians:
http://www.thewarstore.com/artizan28mmbritish.html

Modern US style:
http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/range.asp?the_range=USM

Tallarn style:
http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/range.asp?the_range=IM

Storm troopers:
http://www.urbanmammoth.com/acatalog/

Any contributions to this, please add and we can hopefully get this into a decent resource for all disallusioned GW gamers. I'll also ask the mods to please delete any off topic/hijack posts.

H

phoenixlaw
25-04-2009, 18:10
the obvious
http://www.artemisblacks.com/gamezone.shtml

http://www.reapermini.com/

jimbobodoll
25-04-2009, 18:19
Hell Dorado for fantastic Demon and Araby alternatives (30mm):
http://www.arcaneminiatures.co.uk/hell-dorado.asp

Perry Miniatures (yes the GW sculptors) for Cathay and Nippon (28mm):
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/index2.html

Tom Meier (used to sculpt for GW in 80s) fantastic Elf (High and Wood) and Gobbo, and some Human models (30mm):
http://www.thunderboltmountain.com/

Urban Mammoth also do an excellent set of Adeptus Arbites style figures by the looks of it... (see initial post for link)

Also, a fantastic selection of models broken down into Scifi and fantasy ranges (and historic) sold, internationally here (nice to browse too):
http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/shop/index.php?page=SN_Home

Belakor
25-04-2009, 19:04
I though this thread was about not affording GW's prices.

Some of the examples cost more than GW.

zedeyejoe
25-04-2009, 19:08
Thats a good idea. Well done. Practical rather than just moaning.

Wisdom
25-04-2009, 22:03
Perry Miniatures (yes the GW sculptors) for Cathay and Nippon (28mm):
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/index2.html




The Agincourt to Orleans range would make great bretonnians . Also the upcoming plastic War of the Roses set could be used as well (saving a lot of money to boot). I love the older style look to the bretonnians from the late 80's (basically early HYW) and the Perry's wargames foundry hundred years war range are in exactly the same style although foundry might not represent such a cheap option anymore.

The Perry's crusades arabs could also be used for Araby.

Also Old Glory do an Italian Wars range with some good swiss and landsknecht pikemen that would make excellent Dogs of War or Empire troops. Old Glory's ranges can vary in quality but I saw this landsknecht block up close at Triples and they looked cracking:
http://www.oldgloryuk.com/disp_item.php?c=72&oc=754

warhammergrimace
25-04-2009, 22:08
Empire models

an alternative is Warlord's Pike and shotte
http://shop.warlordgames.co.uk/28mm-pike-and-shotte-158-c.asp

Wisdom
25-04-2009, 22:08
Just thought of Renegade miniatures aswell for 40k. They're at the larger end of the 28mm scale so should fit in better with citadel miniatures. They do some regiment deals with gasmasked great war soldiers that work out at about 50p per man.
http://www.renegademiniatures.com/regww1lw.htm

If you click the camera symbols next to the list it will tell you the contents of the pack rather than show a photo.

jimbobodoll
25-04-2009, 22:17
Perhaps once this thread has built up a sufficient response base we can have it stickied with an updated opening listing alternative models for each fantasy/40k category? That'd make things so simple for people browsing for alternatives... I'd be willing to help keep an eye on this thread and help in compilation if its any use...

Sleazy
25-04-2009, 22:38
http://www.black-tree-design.com/

For most fantasy armies/creatures. Also do fantastic historical stuff for things like Praetorians.

fear_the_squirrels
26-04-2009, 00:47
Demons and undead (Including Paul Muller greatness Ghouls):
http://www.heresyminiatures.com

Also some good character/hero sculpts too for other armies

-Chris

starlight
26-04-2009, 02:04
Perhaps once this thread has built up a sufficient response base we can have it stickied with an updated opening listing alternative models for each fantasy/40k category? That'd make things so simple for people browsing for alternatives... I'd be willing to help keep an eye on this thread and help in compilation if its any use...

If Hlokk wants to keep the OP updated, it might become a worthwhile Sticky for the Modelling Forums... ;)

If that's the case, he can let me know and I'll Move/Sticky it...

iamfanboy
26-04-2009, 06:01
For Bloodbowl/Necromunda/anything else that you might need female minis for:

http://www.shadowforge.com.au/

You've gotta do some looking to sort the chaff from the wheat of their minis (some are great, and some are AWFUL), but enough of them are good to offer it as a website, and they're quite cheap considering the exchange rate of Aussie dollars...

Their female Ork team is so ugly it's almost glorious; either of the scifi miniature groups would make passing Escher gangs; and some of the fantasy stuff would make interesting Special/Rare choices - too bad most of their fantasy stuff is ugly ugly ugly. *facepalms*

Welf VIII.
26-04-2009, 07:28
Otherworld Miniatures:

A very small company working with some of the best sculptors in the world. While they are not the cheapest (need to pay the freelance sculptoras, the casting and don't produce miniatures in great number, the things they are making is world class.

http://www.otherworld.me.uk/store.html

Just take a look at their harpies:

http://www.otherworld.me.uk/dmseries.html

or their skeletons:

http://www.otherworld.me.uk/udseries.html

Poseidal
26-04-2009, 09:23
Some of the West Wind models are in the same scale. I got a blister of four metal British Sten Gunners Gasmask head guys for £4.50 (Guardsmen or Stormtroopers), which was around GWs pricing when I started the hobby...

http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/index.php

Though I got them in a store when I noticed them randomly than on the site.

Dr Lazarus would make a good inquisitor: http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=126_145&products_id=1418

Bregalad
26-04-2009, 18:52
There are dozens of non-GW miniature companies, too many to list here. Name a specific GW-model and I can name alternatives, but not ALL alternatives for ALL GW models.
I always start my research here: http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/shop/index.php

Morathi's Darkest Sin
26-04-2009, 19:03
Damn some of those Perry models are excellent, almost enough to make me dabble in Amercian Civil War or Napoleanic gaming. Love that house though, might pick one or two up and use them as a frontier homes on a low tech-ish 40K world. (Couple of 40k references, oil drum etc, hmm, interesting.)

Some nice stuff to flick through here.

Osbad
27-04-2009, 14:02
Some nice plastic (yes plastic!) and metal sci-fi Imperial Guard alternatives:

http://www.em4miniatures.com/

Tau:

[EDIT: non-working link deleted]

More on the forthcoming COGS from Rackham here: http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2009/04/09/25643#more-25643

Also, the Red Blok and the UNA make viable IG proxies.

IJW
27-04-2009, 14:29
Osbad, you can't post direct links to image files on TGN, you'll have to link to the actual page.

Osbad
27-04-2009, 14:32
Osbad, you can't post direct links to image files on TGN, you'll have to link to the actual page.

My bad. It worked for me, but that must have been something to do with cookies I guess.

Max Jet
27-04-2009, 15:38
There are dozens of non-GW miniature companies, too many to list here. Name a specific GW-model and I can name alternatives, but not ALL alternatives for ALL GW models.

As always you are my savior! I have always been searching for Tyranid alternatives in 28mm scale. Pleas no Alien Franchise models o.k? I have been searching for a year now and don't want to throw my money at the uber expensive GW Miniatures.

jimbobodoll
27-04-2009, 16:06
As always you are my savior! I have always been searching for Tyranid alternatives in 28mm scale. Pleas no Alien Franchise models o.k? I have been searching for a year now and don't want to throw my money at the uber expensive GW Miniatures.

For alternative Tyranid models (non genestealer/H.G.Geiger Alien/copyright-stealer), you can't really go wrong with models based on the IP that GW borrowed from with their recent looking tyranids - the starship trooper arachnids. You can buy the models here (30mm):

http://www.exodus-road.com/xcart/home.php?cat=537

Have fun.

Max Jet
27-04-2009, 16:14
I am terribly sorry I forgott to mention I know these allready. Could you show me some other alternatives, Arachnids look sometimes a little bit too much like nowadays insect.. it lacks the "Alien" and "Different" approach. I know this is hard to explain.. but.. if you got some other alternatives, please show them to me! Sorry again and thank you anyway!

spaint2k
27-04-2009, 16:22
Koralon from Urban War could make cool raveners. I think they're nice and alien.

http://www.urbanmammoth.com/acatalog/

Steve

yabbadabba
27-04-2009, 16:34
For alternative Tyranid models (non genestealer/H.G.Geiger Alien/copyright-stealer), you can't really go wrong with models based on the IP that GW borrowed from with their recent looking tyranids - the starship trooper arachnids...

You got that the wrong way round mate.

jimbobodoll
27-04-2009, 17:31
http://www.urbanmammoth.co.uk/acatalog/info_13512.html
http://www.urbanmammoth.co.uk/acatalog/info_13513.html

look really tyranidy (defo more rogue trader era look though)

http://www.urbanmammoth.co.uk/acatalog/info_13503.html
(awesome zoanthrope alternative? They are supposed to be based on eldar DNA anyway....)

Also, @ yabbadabba: I don't see how mate... H.G.Geiger came before Genestealers and Starship troopers came before Tyrannids AFAIK. Feel free to correct though!

IJW
27-04-2009, 17:40
Also, @ yabbadabba: I don't see how mate... H.G.Geiger came before Genestealers and Starship troopers came before Tyrannids AFAIK. Feel free to correct though!
Starship Troopers (book, 1959), long before any of the others, but the Bugs in the film don't really bear any resemblance to the book's ones.

Alien & Aliens movies (H.R. Giger, 1979 & 1986)

Rogue Trader (1987) & the original Genestealers being almost direct copies of Alien.

'Modern' Tyranids (late RT to 2nd ed, 1991 onwards)

Starship Troopers (film, 1997), with bugs that are a lot closer to GW's Tyranids than they are to the bugs in the book. That's not to say that the filmmakers were influenced by GW, but the film came later...

EDIT - not to forget Kryomek which came out just before the revamped 'Nids in 1991, and which make good stand ins - old figures but still good sculpts and available from Scotia-Grendel (http://www.scotiagrendel.com/kryomek_forces1.html) in the UK and Kryomek USA (http://www.kryomekusa.com/) in the States.

jimbobodoll
27-04-2009, 17:43
Starship Troopers (book, 1959), long before any of the others, but the Bugs in the film don't really bear any resemblance to the book's ones.

Alien & Aliens movies (H.R. Giger, 1979 & 1986)

Rogue Trader (1987) & the original Genestealers being almost direct copies of Alien.

'Modern' Tyranids (late RT to 2nd ed, 1991 onwards)

Starship Troopers (film, 1997), with bugs that are a lot closer to GW's Tyranids than they are to the bugs in the book. That's not to say that the filmmakers were influenced by GW, but the film came later...

Yea... but original rogue trader tyranids don't look anything like todays! Todays are much, much, much more arachnid than those from rogue trader or 2nd ed! Original hunter-killer tyranids (later termagaunts) and next gen tyranids (advanced space crusade era) i submit for your consideration!

Deep-Green-X
27-04-2009, 17:44
Also, @ yabbadabba: I don't see how mate... H.G.Geiger came before Genestealers and Starship troopers came before Tyrannids AFAIK. Feel free to correct though!

I think he means the movie designs which were created after GW introduced Tyrannids in 2nd ED

However the original novel with the space bugs was written before GW created 2nd Ed, then theres the added complication that the Tyrannid minis in 3rd edition were I expect based on the CGI bugs from the starship troopers movie.

Its a chicken and egg thing, whatever way it was done Starcraft's zerg totally ripped of GW's tyrannids :)

yabbadabba
27-04-2009, 17:54
The link between Geiger and genestealers is not at argument. Space Marines have more to thank Starship Troopers for than Tyranids - at least the orginal book by Heinlen. When ST came out I remember the huge amount of Cadians vs Tyranid games going on in the stores. Some even claimed the GW got some cash because of the imagery of the film - but that was just shop scuttlebutt.
The 2nd Ed Tyranid codex did much to build on the likes of Space Hulk and Advanced Heroquest ('80s and 1990). The insectoid/reptilian feel was properly established then, with the 3rd Ed book smoothing the look out. Now Starship Troopers was released in late '97 early '98.

Max Jet
27-04-2009, 18:02
Er.. guys? Could we stay on the model topic? I still need gaunts and Carnifices equivalents (Arachnids as warriors or biovores and those urban,..whatever things as raveners look cool! Though I do not like Tanker Bugs and Overseers as Hive Tyrants and Carnifices)

Bregalad.. master of links.. help me out!

Trogdor
27-04-2009, 18:18
IJW - thanks for the Kryomek link, a very interesting selection of models there. I bow to your superior knowledge of old and obscure miniatures.

Warzone plastics make very good stand-ins for IG - www.princeaugust.ie
I think they still offer 80-odd minis for about £10-15, great value if you don't mind the lack of variety.

Fenryll have a few sci-fi minis on offer, including a "Space Templar" who looks like he just missed the last bus to Armageddon and some (shudder) female "space marine" types. Christ, even typing that made me feel dirty.

Talos
27-04-2009, 18:56
I am in the process of making a Mutant army lead by Fabious Bile and I was wonder if there are any good cheap mutants models around. Or anything that could be used for Ogyrns ?

Cane
28-04-2009, 01:19
A bunch of different heads for guardsmen from Perry Miniatures and Westwind Productions are featured in this topic for those looking for a cheaper Forgeworld head replacement alternative: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/227882.page

Feel free to post comparison pictures or any pic of the models listed also; I'm pretty tempted to field the Black Tree Design British Zulu infantry since the price and the designs look suitable.

BobtheInquisitor
28-04-2009, 02:56
Wow. Many of these sites make GW's new site look like, well, look good. I click on every link I see that mentions plastic models, and from there I can't find a single plastic model on those sites due to their incredibly poor layout and navigation systems.

Okay, I've found the plastic models at Warlord Minis, and the ones at Perry Miniatures (just the ACW ones are plastic, right?), but I have no idea where to find the Warzone plastic minis, or the Wargames Factory's plastic selection.

Is there a brave soul on this board who could collect some direct links to non-GW plastic models? Take pity on me for my ignorance, please. I'd love to have alternatives to GW...but only in plastic.

jimbobodoll
28-04-2009, 09:58
Additional Bloodbowl models:
http://www.artemisblacks.com/hasslefree/football.shtml

Alternative Orcs, goblins, and ogres:
http://www.artemisblacks.com/dragonrune.shtml
http://www.artemisblacks.com/hasslefree/orcs.shtml

Alternative Gaunts/Rippers:
http://www.artemisblacks.com/darkage/images/brood/DAG4012%20Broodlings%20-%20DA.jpg

40k witch Hunter Penitent Engine alternative:
http://www.artemisblacks.com/darkage/images/skarrd/DAG3011%20Abomination%20-%20DA%201.jpg

Dark Eldar Wych Alternatives (?):
http://www.artemisblacks.com/darkage/images/skarrd/DAG3102%20Harpy%20Pack%20-%20DA.jpg

Necromunda Escher (sp?) alternatives (?):
http://www.artemisblacks.com/darkage/images/forsaken/DAG1111%20Firestorm%20Warband%20-%20DA.jpg

Loads of alternative zombies, (more sci-fi though):
http://www.artemisblacks.com/coldwar.shtml

forthegloryofkazadekrund
28-04-2009, 10:34
Warhammer Empire Army
From the forthcoming Perrys War of the Roses range
Examples below of the first greens

http://theminiaturespage.com/news/3926/

Velsharoon
28-04-2009, 10:48
The thing about those artemis ones is that they are pretty much the same if not more expensive than gw ( I was looking at forsaken ones for necromunda/general scifi)

jimbobodoll
28-04-2009, 11:05
Yea... Apologies to those of you who were searching for mega cheap alternatives to Games Workshop models. When searching for alternatives, I'm doing exactly that, rather than just picking up the cheapest models out there. What people are willing to pay is up to them really, I'm just trying to open people's eyes and let them know that there might be passable proxies out there for them; freedom of choice and all that.

Velsharoon
28-04-2009, 11:43
No need to be apologetic, I for one am flicking through the perry site wondering about maybe getting into historical gaming .

Trogdor
28-04-2009, 14:18
@BobtheInquisitor: Here's a direct link to the Warzone stuff. If you scroll down the page you will find "80 plastic miniatures" listed for about 20 euros - slightly more expensive than when I last checked but still good value.
http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/index_warzone.html

jimbobodoll
28-04-2009, 14:49
@BobtheInquisitor: Here's a direct link to the Warzone stuff. If you scroll down the page you will find "80 plastic miniatures" listed for about 20 euros - slightly more expensive than when I last checked but still good value.
http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/index_warzone.html
you mean these? :
http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/tg2420-1.html

Trogdor
28-04-2009, 15:00
you mean these? :
http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/tg2420-1.html

Yup.:)

In terms of model ranges to avoid like the fething plague, Zvesda (sp?) have some ridiculously fiddly, plastic Undead Roman Legionaries in their Ring of Rule range. I'm not just being picky, they really are a massive pain in the **** to put together.

jimbobodoll
28-04-2009, 15:27
Hasselfree elves, orcs and goblins (including squig hoppers!):
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/ELF/index.asp
(yes i know that says ELF, but have a click and tell me I'm wrong with my link...)

Also, to complete the circle somewhat, what about using LoTR/WoTR models? I've heard it most commonly done with orc and goblin armies, but there are other possibilities too.
For example, the new to be released elves would make EXCELLENT high elf proxies and you'd be getting the following all in plastic and true(r) scale 28mm:
1. archers
2. spearmen
3. swordsmasters
4. reavers
5. silverhelms/dragon princes
And the best thing with proxying LoTR/WoTR models for fantasy? As they are also GW models, you'll still be allowed to play with them in a GW store.... WIN! (downside being, horses are too small...)

Sleazy
28-04-2009, 16:04
A bunch of different heads for guardsmen from Perry Miniatures and Westwind Productions are featured in this topic for those looking for a cheaper Forgeworld head replacement alternative: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/227882.page

Feel free to post comparison pictures or any pic of the models listed also; I'm pretty tempted to field the Black Tree Design British Zulu infantry since the price and the designs look suitable.


I have used the BTD ones, lemme know if you want photos

Bregalad
28-04-2009, 19:37
As always you are my savior! I have always been searching for Tyranid alternatives in 28mm scale. Pleas no Alien Franchise models o.k? I have been searching for a year now and don't want to throw my money at the uber expensive GW Miniatures.
Tyranids are a Horde plastic army. While there are some other Alien-like ranges (with starship trooper the only other plastic one), most are metal and therefore much more expensive. In addition, gaunts have 5 different basic variants, the Carnifex even more. You won't find something that fits most of those variants even in metal. So sorry, if you don't like Tyranids, Starship Trooper bugs and Aliens, perhaps you shouldn't play Tyranids. I started with 3 battle force sets to save some money, perhaps this would be a start. Ebay is another alternative.

BobtheInquisitor
28-04-2009, 20:01
you mean these? :
http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/tg2420-1.html

I see the big bag of plastics, and it looks very tempting. My main problem is when I try to find a single box of plastic figures, or any other plastic item. It looks like every other item on the site, including the Ducal Militia who are plastic in the big bag, are only sold in pewter.
Am I using their site incorrectly, or are the plastics only available in one giant bag containing only two opposing forces?

Max Jet
28-04-2009, 21:00
Tyranids are a Horde plastic army. While there are some other Alien-like ranges (with starship trooper the only other plastic one), most are metal and therefore much more expensive. In addition, gaunts have 5 different basic variants, the Carnifex even more. You won't find something that fits most of those variants even in metal. So sorry, if you don't like Tyranids, Starship Trooper bugs and Aliens, perhaps you shouldn't play Tyranids. I started with 3 battle force sets to save some money, perhaps this would be a start. Ebay is another alternative.

Oh I like Tyranids.. just not the price. I used to buy them from my fantasy shops for 50% off (the only price I found acceptable) and the bugs are cool also, but every single shop is trying to get rid of them and only carries one or two boxes of them. And for Aliens? I didn't want to buy those plastic posable toys. But that's o.k. then. I will go on and build 1:72 Tanks instead of my Tyranid horde. It's GWs fault.
Still thank you very much for your help!

Cane
28-04-2009, 21:46
I have used the BTD ones, lemme know if you want photos

That'd be awesome especially if you grab a pic with a 40k model as a comparison!

Hlokk
28-04-2009, 21:55
Right, thanks for all the suggestions and ideas, I'll be sorting through this lot and will have an updated first post by Monday 4th May. If I dont, feel free to PM me and annoy the crap out of me until I do.

Warboss Antoni
29-04-2009, 02:58
Does anyone know where I can get some models to use as Wildmen of Dunland, and Huscarls? Cuz I'm not paying that insane price, and I'm sure some company has suitable Vikings and or Scots to use. But they have to be true 28mm.

Welf VIII.
29-04-2009, 08:23
Try Foundry Miniatures.

But what is "true 28mm" in your eyes. To me GW's current scale is 30mm (only LotR are 28mm). Until 1990 their minis were 28mm - 25mm would be the old Minis of Ral Partha and Grenadier (only their Fantasy Warriors range was 28mm).

If you want 28mm as described by me use the old viking and norse range (in fact these are former miniatures from GW all sculpted by the Perrys) or their classic anglo-saxons and franks. And picts for Dunlanders.

Their newer norse and their anglo-saxons range is a wee bit larger.

Trogdor
29-04-2009, 12:31
I see the big bag of plastics, and it looks very tempting. My main problem is when I try to find a single box of plastic figures, or any other plastic item. It looks like every other item on the site, including the Ducal Militia who are plastic in the big bag, are only sold in pewter.
Am I using their site incorrectly, or are the plastics only available in one giant bag containing only two opposing forces?


There are some other boxed sets available containing plastic - http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/tg9001.html
The quality, however, is less good and they don't offer the same value as the bagged up infantry sprues. Everything else is pewter I'm afraid.

jimbobodoll
30-04-2009, 11:46
From June price increase thread:


Recently a new company started here in the US called Wargames Factory (http://www.wargamesfactory.com/AboutUs.htm).

They produce Historical, Sci-fi and Fantasy miniatures all in multi-part hard plastic at a good price point. While there sculpting is not GW quality With each set they have produced there mini's are looking better and better.

Plus they are very Customer Oriented as there entire production line is dictated by there customer via there Liberty & Union League (http://www.wargamesfactory.com/league) Check it out, very cool idea.

A little price comparison

Ex: Wargames Factory's Dark Future Zombies (http://www.wargamesfactory.com/_product_16676/Zombie_Horde)

Cost: $17.95US/ 13.45EU/ 12.04UK/ $24.43AUS



GW's Vampire Counts Zombie Horde
Cost:$35.00 US / £17.60 / 30,00 €/ $50.00 AUS

richred_uk
30-04-2009, 12:14
Does anyone know where I can get some models to use as Wildmen of Dunland, and Huscarls? Cuz I'm not paying that insane price, and I'm sure some company has suitable Vikings and or Scots to use. But they have to be true 28mm.

try these guys

http://www.grippingbeast.com/shop.php?CatID=5

jimbobodoll
30-04-2009, 12:24
From the £25 for 10 Plastic Greatswords - are you Paying it? Thread:


At £1 each or so as the going rate for metal historical equivalents, why would anyone want to pay even the old GW prices for Empire troops for what are essentially just Rennaissance models? Sure some prefer plastic to metals, but personally I don't see the benefit of plastic if you aren't planning on mass conversions and they aren't much cheaper - because even with GW's new technology and vast experience at squeezing out mult-part kits, in most cases I have seen decent metal miniatures are crisper and more detailed than even the best plastics, particularly when it comes to organic (i.e. human, alien, animal, monster) forms. If you still prefer plastics, and are prepared to pay as much as GW is asking, then I can't help you. But if you think more like me on this matter then, a couple of quick off-the-top-of-the-head finds for suppliers of cheaper alternative Empire models are:

http://www.redoubtenterprises.com/shop/?page=shop/browse&category_id=f9fd45c04f67dee3f6ac9f422fe28fdc

http://www.thewarstore.com/foundry28mmrennaiswar.html

About the only justifiable prices for GW's Empire range is the Steam Tank, and that's because it is a pretty unique concept - a rennaissance steam tank. So if you want one there's no competition. Or you could just get one of the Ironclad miniatures Victorian Steam Tanks (http://www.ironcladminiatures.co.uk/shop/category_9/Steam-tanks.html?shop_param=cid%3D%26) and "Warhammer-ify" it up a bit with some gubbins from your bitz box!

I'm not particularly a GW hater, I just think that some of their prices are ridunkulous! They capitalise on the fact that many people are unaware of suitable alternatives to their products, and the prevailing culture encouraged in their stores that there are "officially approved" models and that anyone using anything else is somehow cheating at some level. I'm quite happy to buy GW products if their prices are reasonable and they are good quality (Foundation paints, and the new washes, for instance). But I have to work too hard to earn my money and there are too many alternative calls on my wallet for me to chuck it away without being sure I'm getting the best value I can.

If you're at all cheesed with GW's prices, then do yourself a favour and make friends with Google! Using that wonder of modern technology, (or if your Google-fu is weak, browsing/asking on the forums) you will probably be able to find a local gaming scene independent of GW's "control", where you can buy and play with any models you like!

Bregalad
30-04-2009, 14:35
Does anyone know where I can get some models to use as Wildmen of Dunland, and Huscarls? Cuz I'm not paying that insane price, and I'm sure some company has suitable Vikings and or Scots to use. But they have to be true 28mm.
There are several Vikings miniature ranges, most for historical tabletops.

Two good ranges:
Wargames Foundry: http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/VIK/index.asp
Westwind Production: http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPath=1_16

And remember, Vikings may be larger than normal men.

chromedog
01-05-2009, 04:50
Am I using their site incorrectly, or are the plastics only available in one giant bag containing only two opposing forces?

No, you are using the site correctly. The reason the big bag of plastics only has two opposing armies sets is because that was the content of the Warzone 2.0 box. Two starter forces for Warzone in the main game box. Imperial and Bauhaus corporate soldiers.

thinkerman
01-05-2009, 07:19
Alternatives to GW:

Imperial Guard:

Came across this company recently, they do some fantastic stuff, has a very scifi feel and has abit of everything incorporated into it from Aliens, starship troopers, 40k and many more.

Im using the minis as a stand alone game - but also as a cheaper alternative to 40k, especially those vehicles which look nasty!

http://www.pig-iron-productions.com/about.htm

There doing some amazing stuff and very well priced too (10 metal minis for £14 - resin and metal vehicle kits at £22)

Considering were all annoyed at the £25 for 10 plastic new minis and stuff it makes PIG IRON more value for money

Check it out - you'll be well impressed :)

iamfanboy
01-05-2009, 08:08
Alternatives to GW:

Imperial Guard:

Came across this company recently, they do some fantastic stuff, has a very scifi feel and has abit of everything incorporated into it from Aliens, starship troopers, 40k and many more.

Im using the minis as a stand alone game - but also as a cheaper alternative to 40k, especially those vehicles which look nasty!

http://www.pig-iron-productions.com/about.htm

There doing some amazing stuff and very well priced too (10 metal minis for £14 - resin and metal vehicle kits at £22)

Considering were all annoyed at the £25 for 10 plastic new minis and stuff it makes PIG IRON more value for money

Check it out - you'll be well impressed :)
HOLY EMPEROR'S SON, those things would make AWESOME Imperial Guard. Damn, if I lived in Britain I'd be all over those things like stink on an Ogryn.

Gazak Blacktoof
01-05-2009, 12:15
Has anybody actually found alternatives to the great swords yet?

Until the perry's war of the roses models come out I don't think there's anything even remotely suitable. There's plenty of stand ins for the rest of the empire line but I can't find any great weapon armed troops of even remotely the right period.

thinkerman
01-05-2009, 13:32
HOLY EMPEROR'S SON, those things would make AWESOME Imperial Guard. Damn, if I lived in Britain I'd be all over those things like stink on an Ogryn.

Tell me about it - ive been into wargaming for ages and only found out about this last week.

I met the guys at a show in Bolton and im totally loving the image and style of the kits hes producing: everything from the infantry, conversion packs and especially those vehicles - ive asked him to look at doing a drop ship!

Its very cool stuff - and i cant really complain about the price either - £22 for a resin tank thats almost twice as big as a leman russ and looks meaner!

Osbad
01-05-2009, 13:36
If you go to post number 39 in this thread: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196511&page=2, I posted a couple of links I found by googling.

jimbobodoll
01-05-2009, 13:56
If you go to post number 39 in this thread: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196511&page=2, I posted a couple of links I found by googling.
I already cited you and this post on the previous page mate... Keep up and read the thread eh? :D

Osbad
01-05-2009, 13:57
I already cited you and this post on the previous page mate... Keep up and read the thread eh? :D

Oops! :o My bad!

Osbad
01-05-2009, 14:02
Does anyone know where I can get some models to use as Wildmen of Dunland, and Huscarls? Cuz I'm not paying that insane price, and I'm sure some company has suitable Vikings and or Scots to use. But they have to be true 28mm.

A general comment about scale. Most "old fashioned" historicals miniatures manufacturers are happy to send out a sample model if you drop them an email or even better make a phonecall.

This is because many of them date back to the pre-internet dark ages, when mail order catalogues were the order of the day and good quality photographs were an expensive luxury none could afford to put in them! The culture became that if you asked for a sample model you'd get one for free as if you liked the model you'd come back and order a battalion of them, so it was just seen as marketing!

On the other hand, most historicals are pretty cheap and its perhaps worth sinking a couple of quid on a sample blister if you are looking to buy a whole army.

Gazak Blacktoof
01-05-2009, 14:37
If you go to post number 39 in this thread: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196511&page=2, I posted a couple of links I found by googling.

Thanks, I must have missed the post about great swords. A pity they're line drawings and that there's no pics of actual models.

Osbad
01-05-2009, 14:40
Thanks, I must have missed the post about great swords. A pity they're line drawings and that there's no pics of actual models.

It is, but at a £1 each a sample model isn't going to sink the boat!

Alternatively if you give them a ring and are planning a largish order you might be able to sweet talk them into letting you have a freebie. It's not unknown from historicals manufacturers who tend to deal with people buying armies of 100's of models rather than the smaller units GW games promote.

C-Coen
01-05-2009, 23:07
There might be some hope for all those who want cheap, plastic Greatswords.
Wargames Factory has some nice stuff going on, where you can submit an idea, and they'll make it.
With all the enthusiasts over here, it could very well work.
I've submitted the idea (Landsknechts with zweihänders, partial plate, puffed and slashed clothing, flat hats with feathers) today, and it should be up in a day or two.
Read more about it here:
http://www.wargamesfactory.com/league

The stuff they did so far is very nice, and cheap to boot.
Besides, they listen to their customers. I, you, all of us, we will have something to add in the production process. I'll let you know when it's up, and post you a link.

Harry
02-05-2009, 09:54
OK I have had a good look at this thread and followed most of the links.

There are a few alternatives out there.
There are even some real gems.
I have even purchased some of those gems from folks like shadow forge, hasslefree, heresy, reaper, etc myself.

However the overwhelming feeling I get is that the majority of the alternatives out there do not even come close to GW in terms of quality (and when they do you have to pay for it).

Also it is not the quality that is staggering but the quantity. There is nothing out there that comes even close to the enourmous strength in depth of the GW range of miniatures (regardless of which system you play).

Unless you want to play historical wargames (ACW, Napolionic, WWII, Wild West). If you are looking for beautifully sculpted minis in a fantasy/sci fi setting which can come together into beautiful armies with a coherant look in terms of style and a consistent high quality form the characters to the smallest rank and file then ....

... for me ...

... quite simply ...

There are no alternatives.

Osbad
02-05-2009, 11:41
with a coherant look in terms of style

I would challenge this assertion.

Looking firstly at Fantasy. This really is a rag-bag of various styles. Look at Brettonia and the Empire. Styles of clothing that are hundreds of years apart in "reality". Their only common factor is the scale and that Citadel make them. Then we have gorilla-esque Orcs alongside "eggs with legs" Dwarves. Admittedly High Elves and Dark Elves complement each other, but they are nothing like the other races in aesthetics. And lizardmen... What does a Skink have in common with a Slaan? Not a lot...

And then at 40k. WIthin the Imperial Guard you have inspiration and uniforms from across hundreds of years of history - the "modernesque" Cadians with the Napoleonic Vestroyans, Victorian Mordians, etc. And as with Fantasy, none of th other factions share anything in common - Gundam Tao, Fantasy-esque Eldar...

Sure *within* each faction there is consistency, but its not hard to achieve that from non-GW sources, most other companies are consistent within their own ranges too, so if you want an alternative Greenskin army, just buy everything from Black Tree Design, for instance.

When you think about it like that, GW's "consistency" is a it of a myth.

And I haven't even started on the issue of scale creep...!

Now, of course, just walking into a GW store and buying a few boxes is an easier option than hunting for the best fit from elsewhere. But since when has this hobby been about taking the easy option? If you want the *really* easy option take up AT-43 or CAoR! :D This hobby has always assumed a little effort on our part. What GW do when they pump up their prices like this is to just make that extra effort of not buying from them a bit more worthwhile...

Now, of course, for you, for now the saving in effort is worth the extra money. I respect that and don't challenge it. For others, including me, it hasn't been for some good while now.

Everyone has their price! Will yours be £50 for 10 plastic humans? £75? £100?

Harry
02-05-2009, 12:27
beautiful armies with a coherant look in terms of style

I meant within an army. Not between armies.

The look of some armies is an eclectic mix of various historical periods.
but that is the Warhammer style. it does not mean it is not consistent/coherant because it does not conform to one historical archetype.

If you turn to Black tree you must accept a drop in quality. (IMO)

(As for my price limit ... you obviously have not read any of my recent posts regarding the Greatswords).

But I don't want to derail the thread I just thought I would just say that with the exception of a few wonderful 'character' models ... there are (IMO) not really not many 'viable alternatives to workshop models'.

lanrak
02-05-2009, 12:39
Hi all.
If I may just interject with a related point to make.
As reguards sculpt quality.

IF you are looking for 'reasonable'sculpts that make good 'detailed game counters'.
EG 'gameing standard' paint jobs and used just for gaming with.Then there IS a wide choice.

IF however you insist on 'museum display quality' sculpts for singular display or diaramas, painted to the highest standard .
Then there are far fewer options available.

Some people want to have the highest quality possible and are prepared to pay for it.

Others are quite happy to use slightly inferior quality minatures in thier games.These tend to be cheaper.

So depending on whether you want 'display standard' or 'gaming standard' has a massive impact on what , where and how much you buy.

This is just personal choice.This thread was started to list alternatives, to give a wider chioce to gamers .

TTFN
Lanrak.

Netherghoul
02-05-2009, 17:14
damn Harry, how much is GW paying you to keep up the GW mythology of being the best there is?

xowainx
02-05-2009, 17:29
damn Harry, how much is GW paying you to keep up the GW mythology of being the best there is?

Well, there's no evidence in this thread that proves him wrong.

Harry
02-05-2009, 18:03
damn Harry, how much is GW paying you to keep up the GW mythology of being the best there is?
No cash changes hands. Just sexual favours.




I did give a shout to Heresy miniatures.

They are up there with the best of the rest as alternatives to supplement my GW collection.

I love Heresy Miniatures.

Welf VIII.
02-05-2009, 18:38
I meant within an army. Not between armies.

Hm, I know were you're coming from and I do agree somehow. Some ranges from alternative companies are just too small to build an army with them.

But I also think their is a problem with a coherent look within GW's armies as well: Look at dwarfs: The flame canon and the gyrokopter from the 6th edition don't mix too well with the newest dwarfs. Same for Empire and may be a few bit more armies as they are not changing the whole army with each edition.

And I do agree about black tree - in my opinion most of the were just horrible copies of GW miniatures from their worst period of miniature making (90s). But don't you think an Orc and Goblin army consisting of Foundry models would look great?

Pokpoko
02-05-2009, 18:57
beautiful armies

oh come on, there's a lot of decent 6/10mm models that are quite close to GW's Epic and Warmaster ranges...oh,wait, by armies you meant "a massive army of FIFTY(that's as many as five tens) marines, versus the immeasurable,uncountable living wave of HUNDRED(as many as ten tens!truly a army of massive proportions,ALMOST close to a whole infantry company in WW2!) locked in epic struggle to decide the ownership of perhaps ten randomly scattered cottages":D
yes, you'd be hard pressed to find many(although there are a few, certainly Pig Iron and Urban Mammoth have enough variety and numbers) games that don't fit either "mass scale" and 'skirmish scale" fully;)

Harry
02-05-2009, 19:19
LOL :D

Ohhhh you can get minis in 6/10mm now? :D
But what would be the point. :D
I sold my soul to 'heroic scale' skirmish games some time ago it makes me a bit scalecentric.

Off the record I do still play the the occaisional WW2 Game in that scale because that is where it all started for me.
Warhamster and epic are great games but I do tend to forget that other scales exist.

Max Jet
02-05-2009, 19:39
Just you wait until Tamya / Mirage or Italleri start making heroic scale model kits! XD!!!!
Even if it is not played in 28mm scale.. Operation world war 2 is a fantastic game! The rules are complex, free of charge and you can use ANY 1:72 scale model! Simply AMAZING game!

Harry
02-05-2009, 19:47
Great rules.
Actually those work well with 28mm too.
I use them with my World War II miniatures from foundry, West Wind and Artizan.

JLEH
02-05-2009, 21:05
Towards the end of this year Perry Miniatures are bringing out some plastic Wars of the Roses minis. 40 for £20 or something like that. Perfect for Brets!

IJW
02-05-2009, 23:12
Warhamster and epic are great game
If I had any room left, that would be getting sigged!

'Fear the mighty Hamster of War!'

I mentioned the Kryomek stuff earlier on in the thread, but thought I should put them in the the desired format.

GW range: Tyranids
Other range: Kryomek
Link: http://www.scotiagrendel.com/kryomek_forces1.html
Notes: Fantasy Forge were formed (as were so many UK gaming companies), by a group of ex GW staff in the late Eighties/Early Nineties. At the start of the Nineties, Kryomek was probably the biggest SF wargame after 40k, with a wide mix of human forces fighting the alien Kryomek swarms with their bio-acid-powered weaponry. The Kryomek figures helped inspire the 'modern' GW Tyranids and some of them still hold up well considering how old they are by now. Scotiagrendel took over the casting rights when FF folded, and the prices are good. Of particular note would be the use of Helions to represent Ripper Swarms or Gaunts.
In game terms, the Kryomek were about the closest match to Heinlein's Bugs that I've come across, closer in feel than the excellent (and dead) Starship Troopers game.
Warriors are about £2 each.
You can see a few examples in my Ye Olde Figure thread.

GW range: Space Marines and Imperial Guard
Other range: Kryomek Nexus SWAT teams (SM) & Nexus Marines (IG)
Link: http://www.scotiagrendel.com/kryomek_nexus_forces_1.html
Notes: These haven't held up as well as the Kryomek aliens, but the Bob Olley-sculpted SWAT teams have a certain charm. The Nexus Marines are very Aliens movie in feel. Have a look at the vehicles, at a pinch some of the walkers could make good Sentinel stand-ins.

GW range: IG (unarmoured & NBC suited)
Other range: Kryomek Cyclos
Link: http://www.scotiagrendel.com/kryomek_nexus_forces_2.html
Notes: These have aged much better than the other humans, partly because they were more stylised and larger than the others. Cyclos were criminals with drug injectors on their heads, the unamoured ones are reminiscent of Catachans while the NBC-suited ones would make either good armoured IG or if you take the combat shield ones, good Adeptus Astartes for Necromunda or scenarios. Prices are good, at about £1 per figure, even the heavy weapon troopers are about £1.50 each with chainguns, recoilles rifles and the like.
Again, examples in my Ye Olde Figure thread, with quite a few positive comments.

Hlokk already mentioned Urban Mammoth, but here's a more direct link.

GW range: IG Storm Troopers
Other range: Urban Mammoth Viridian Marines
Link: http://www.urbanmammoth.co.uk/acatalog/Viridian_Blister_Packs.html
Notes: I picked up a blister of Colonial Marines just because of the neat headgear/facemasks, and because they looked like a great near-future SWAT team with full kit. The Colonial Marine HMG team looks very nice on the site, although I've not seen it in the metal. Models are anywhere from £3 to £5 each, two-person weapon teams are £7.

GW range: Imperial Assassin
Other range: Freebooter Miniatures Female Assassin
Link: http://www.freebooterminiatures.de/indexeng.html
Link 2: http://www.freebooterminiatures.de/shop/index.php?act=SHOP&CODE=03&WGP=1&art=78
Werner Klocke's figures aren't particularly cheap, but he's one of the best figure sculptors in the field, and this assassin actually comes in cheaper than Jes's GW ones. Quite manga-like, but also makes a good generic SF assassin. He also does a nice line in vampires.

GW range: Mordheim Orcs, Dwarves and Goblins
Other range: Black Scorpion Fantasy Pirates
Link: http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/range.asp?the_range=FPI
Notes: Sculpted by Adam Clarke (you probably know his GW servitors and many others from his time with GW), this is a series of GW-style fantasy race pirates, including a Napoleon-alike Goblin!

GW range: Giant
Other range: as above
Link: as above
Notes: I just saw this today in the flesh, their first resin model. Let's just say that it's both bigger and more detailed than the plastic GW one. :) On the other hand it costs twice as much...

GW range: Warhammer heroes (all races)
Other range: Avatars of War (why has no one mentioned these yet?!?)
Link: http://www.arena-deathmatch.com/forums/portal.php
Notes: Definitely not the cheap option, but these are more Warhammery than the Warhammer models. Felix Paniagua is another ex GW sculptor and has produced an incredible range of hero models. I'm not so keen on the Raul Valiente sculpts, though.

Gazak Blacktoof
02-05-2009, 23:49
Those tyranid substitutes look ace! And they're cheap!

Max Jet
03-05-2009, 17:47
Indeed!
They are AWESOME! Now THAT is where my next spending goes to! =)

Velsharoon
06-05-2009, 11:54
http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/tg2420-1.html

I just ordered these guys, hopefully they will be inducted guard in my demonhunters just have to see what they are like in comparison to GW stuff

First time I have bought something non GW woo, screw you price increases

I will be aiming to use the trenchers but if I can think of a way to use the other guys I shall

Bregalad
06-05-2009, 16:54
First time I have bought something non GW woo, screw you price increases
Congratulations ;)
But be aware that these miniatures are sales of OOP miniatures that in their day were as expensive as GW miniatures. They just didn't make it on the market, although there are some fine (and many not so fine ;)) miniatures among them.

Velsharoon
06-05-2009, 17:08
Yep thats fine I actually remember looking at them ten years ago or so and thinkin they looked cool but to expensive

Fact is if it works out i have myself 40 guard (the trenchers)for 24 quid and can try sell the other 40 on or use them for other projects

As I said in another thread its all about making the psychological leap from GW to other manufactuers, infact, my girl friend didnt understand there were other options when it came to wargaming she just thought it was all GW.

Sure I cant play them in GW shops or tournaments but since I dont do either of those really I am happy to check out other options, and will also be picking up some AT-43 (I think thats right...) for quick and easy out of the box wargaming.

I shall report back my thoughts when i get them

LordofLizardmen
06-05-2009, 17:44
No cash changes hands. Just sexual favours.




I did give a shout to Heresy miniatures.

They are up there with the best of the rest as alternatives to supplement my GW collection.

I love Heresy Miniatures.

Seems like you get paid to make sure that you spout GW "RULESZ!!!111!!!" in almost every thread like this, not withstanding a small shoutout to Heresy. How about to reaper? PP? Old Glory? No?

Thanks for the Links in this thread people. These are great alternatives and good choices instead of the stupidly expensive GW models which GW thinks is like bricks of gold instead of what they are, toys.

Faeslayer
06-05-2009, 18:13
Seems like you get paid to make sure that you spout GW "RULESZ!!!111!!!" in almost every thread like this, not withstanding a small shoutout to Heresy. How about to reaper? PP? Old Glory? No?

He's explained what his standards are. You don't have standards- hey, that's great.

He does, and it makes fitting alternatives hard to find.

I have noticed that this hobby seems to bother you when Games Workshop is involved, or even mentioned. I recommend you find something new to focus on, such as bicycling or gardening.

N810
06-05-2009, 18:23
Seroiusly no one has mentioned Reaper yet???
http://www.reapermini.com/

These guys have ben around almost as long as GW
and have thousands of minis in all ranges,
and are generaly cheaper than GW, and they have a greater variety too.

LordofLizardmen
06-05-2009, 18:37
Seroiusly no one has mentioned Reaper yet???
http://www.reapermini.com/

These guys have ben around almost as long as GW
and have thousands of minis in all ranges,
and are generaly cheaper than GW, and they have a greater variety too.


Seriously, reaper is good for everything! I support anyone to get some of their models. They are seriously good.

Pokpoko
06-05-2009, 18:39
reaper is great...if you want heroes. Apart from Warlord line(which isn't all that extensive tbh) there is precious little coherence in those models. great for RPG, ideal for small scale skirmishing, totally useless for making bigger formations.

IJW
06-05-2009, 20:26
Seems like you get paid to make sure that you spout GW "RULESZ!!!111!!!" in almost every thread like this, not withstanding a small shoutout to Heresy.
You've not been around here for long, have you? Harry is one of the politest and lbalanced posters on the entire site.


How about to reaper? PP? Old Glory? No?
Old Glory? Seriously? If you're in the US they have the advantage of being cheap and little else. Outside the US even the cheapness is less noticeable.

N810
06-05-2009, 20:33
reaper is great...if you want heroes. Apart from Warlord line(which isn't all that extensive tbh) there is precious little coherence in those models. great for RPG, ideal for small scale skirmishing, totally useless for making bigger formations.

Sigh...
Yes sadly the Warlord line only has 10 diferent factions, with 570 figures split between them... :rolleyes:
http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/warlord/

LordofLizardmen
06-05-2009, 20:43
reaper is great...if you want heroes. Apart from Warlord line(which isn't all that extensive tbh) there is precious little coherence in those models. great for RPG, ideal for small scale skirmishing, totally useless for making bigger formations.

How do you figure? If you want:

A Two Handed Weapon unit: Just choose the figures you want!

A Sword and Sheild unit: Just choose the figures you want!

A Archer Unit: Just choose the figures you want!

This is a clear example of how one should expand ones mind and take in all possibilities of having a unique unit made of indivdual models instead of 10 x have swords of one style while the other 10 x have swords of the other style.

Imagination, its what GW sucks out of, but you have the power to use!

I'd suggest either the Dark Heaven Legend series or the Warlord series.


I have noticed that this hobby seems to bother you when Games Workshop is involved, or even mentioned. I recommend you find something new to focus on, such as bicycling or gardening.

Sorry but my hobby is Wargaming with a variety of sources, not just mindless GW "hobbying" whatever it is.

I support the breaking of bonds and showing people other figures that are either, cheaper, better to use or both!

Pokpoko
06-05-2009, 20:45
huh,checked..there really are more than i remebered...but then again, the point about over-abundance of heroic/single models stands-there seems to be 4-6 blisters of actual ranked infantry(usually one per type),and the rest are special units or heroes.

And they still do themselves enormous disservice by posting pics with this godawful primer on. It makes the models look absolutely crap, and put me off buying anything from them for a few years before i'v ordered two models(which turned out rather nice).


A Two Handed Weapon unit: Just choose the figures you want!
of course if you don't mind having a unit that doesn't have much coherence. Which is okay for a band of ruffians and mercenaries, but rather silly when standing army is involved.


Imagination, its what GW sucks out of, but you have the power to use!
Thank you,but i haven't touched GW model or game for some 3 years,so you can take that comment,and make a christmas decoration out of it:p

LordofLizardmen
06-05-2009, 20:47
huh,checked..there really are more than i remebered...but then again, the point about over-abundance of heroic/single models stands-there seems to be 4-6 blisters of actual ranked infantry(usually one per type),and the rest are special units or heroes.

There is absolutly no rules, no law, no power of god, no nothing stopping you from making the heroes into a single coersive unit. Seriously, none. It makes me want to start a reaper army and just do units to prove that you can build a whole army from them!



And they still do themselves enormous disservice by posting pics with this godawful primer on. It makes the models look absolutely crap, and put me off buying anything from them for a few years before i'v ordered two models(which turned out rather nice).

Their primer use is ok, but it shows the detail pretty well and i've been happy with what comes out anyway so its quite moot.

N810
06-05-2009, 20:49
Also D&D minitures is has some interesting monsters,
but you might want to give the paintjobs a touch-up
also they are not metal or plastic they are vinaly like Heroscape minitures.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mix/gallery


Oh and check out Mcfarlane Dragons Series for some insanely kool prepainted dragons.
http://www.iconusa4.com/online/Spawn_McFarlanes_Dragons.htm
Example ---> http://www.warmania.com/bnpics/dragons_mcfarlane.jpg

LordofLizardmen
06-05-2009, 20:56
I guess its just time to show what a reaper army looks like. I know i'm going to be kicking myself for starting another army without having space nor seeing if my wife is ok with it, but damn it, this has to be proven.

Pokpoko
06-05-2009, 21:09
There is absolutly no rules, no law, no power of god, no nothing stopping you from making the heroes into a single coersive unitexcept they won't really look cohesive. The key feature of a standing army is it's unified equipment. a unit made of indiviudal heroes will look awsome, but it wont look uniform. and god forbid if i'd like to have two units of the same type, it's Attack of The Clones all over again.

Their primer use is ok, but it shows the detail pretty well
to use a quote from some book "looks like it's covered in Satan's ji**"(censored just in case someone finds bodily fluids offensive)

Faeslayer
06-05-2009, 21:10
I guess its just time to show what a reaper army looks like. I know i'm going to be kicking myself for starting another army without having space nor seeing if my wife is ok with it, but damn it, this has to be proven.

I don't think anyone doubts that you can buy enough various models from Reaper to make a WHFB unit. My question is why?

Those Warlord army packs are 9 for $40 US ($4.44 each). An army of those would be very costly. Each one seems to be made up of only 2-3 sculpts. The Warlord character models cost even more.

And if you're not using army packs, your units are still going to be expensive, and they're going to look... well, to put it charitably, very diverse.

Even if you're willing to look past some of those sculpts, I'm uncertain what the point of such an exercise is.

Bregalad
06-05-2009, 23:36
Sigh...
Yes sadly the Warlord line only has 10 diferent factions, with 570 figures split between them... :rolleyes:
http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/warlord/
Look again! I would love to do a Blood Gnome army, but having a regiment of 25 with only two different poses is out of question, even if 10 fractions can have 2 of these regiments. Those 10 mini packs for 40$ all have only two or three poses and are not that cheap either. E.g. Westwind offers 12 miniatures for 10 pound.

So I keep on picking single heroes from the Reaper range.

thinkerman
07-05-2009, 07:14
http://www.oldcrowmodels.co.uk/25vehicles.htm

Some cool vehicles and flyers for possible use with guard - 25mm range

Harry
07-05-2009, 07:45
Seems like you get paid to make sure that you spout GW "RULESZ!!!111!!!" in almost every thread like this, not withstanding a small shoutout to Heresy. How about to reaper? PP? Old Glory? No?

Thanks for the Links in this thread people. These are great alternatives and good choices instead of the stupidly expensive GW models which GW thinks is like bricks of gold instead of what they are, toys.
I mentioned Reaper also (perhaps you should read my posts before having a pop at me?) I have both Reaper and old Glory in my collection.

Reaper are fantastic for character minis but you would struggle to make a cohesive army out of them and you would not save very much money in the process ... but by all means knock your self out trying.

Old Glory is simply no-where in terms of quality. Although having said that they did produce some excellent pirates and cowboys in the subscribers series and there is a lot of nicer stuff coming through in their main ranges now. Always worth a look as their prices are seriouisly good especially if you are part of the membership scheme.

You seem to have a pop ar GW in every post you make.
I make no comment despite the fact it bugs me as much as my posts clearly bug you. You are entitled to your opinion.
I am entitled to mine ... and to post it.



You've not been around here for long, have you? Harry is one of the politest and lbalanced posters on the entire site.
Thanks for that.

xowainx
07-05-2009, 08:36
http://www.oldcrowmodels.co.uk/25vehicles.htm

Some cool vehicles and flyers for possible use with guard - 25mm range

Why not just make those yourself out of cardboard cereal boxes? Or just even use the boxes for your vehicles?

BobtheInquisitor
07-05-2009, 09:50
http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/tg2420-1.html

I just ordered these guys, hopefully they will be inducted guard in my demonhunters just have to see what they are like in comparison to GW stuff

First time I have bought something non GW woo, screw you price increases

I will be aiming to use the trenchers but if I can think of a way to use the other guys I shall

It's funny, but I also just bought this set. Screw you price increases, indeed.

Speaking of cheap plastic minis in GW sizes, look for Battleball (http://www.amazon.com/Milton-Bradley-Battleball-Game/dp/B00008NQEF/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1241687074&sr=8-1) at your local toy store. I bought a set at $5 US, and I find the figures to be pretty impressive, for the most part. They just need some added weapons and bling.

Pokpoko
07-05-2009, 10:18
Why not just make those yourself out of cardboard cereal boxes? Or just even use the boxes for your vehicles?
don't worry, you can glue a few million skulls and some chains on them,and they'd look right at place in 40k:angel:

Netherghoul
07-05-2009, 13:42
Well, there's no evidence in this thread that proves him wrong.


ah well yes , here you are then :D


enigma;

http://www.enigmaminiatures.com/

Gamezone;

http://www.gamezoneminiatures.de/index.php/language/en/XTCsid/fb2638db7ba680ee4c57fc24ea46771a


MSB;

http://www.msbtoys.com/

Helldorado;

http://helldorado.fr/index.php

Crocodile games;

http://www.crocodilegames.com/

Tales of war

http://www.taleofwar.com/tienda/

Heresy;

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/

Privateer press;

http://www.privateerpress.com/

Black scorpion;

http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/

Not to forget Rackham's metal range, and they are beibg dumped worldwide and several shops/stores still have plenty of those gems.
and there is much much more great stuff out there, which imho surpasses GW's quality by far.

just have a browse at e-minis;

http://www.e-minis.net/

you'll be pleasantly surprised

LordofLizardmen
07-05-2009, 14:42
Why not just make those yourself out of cardboard cereal boxes? Or just even use the boxes for your vehicles?

Then why don't you go pay $100 for whatever tanks you want? This is for alternatives of GW not for GW fanboi's to jump up and shout "NOT GW!!!111!!!"

I wonder if GW came out with a blister containing skulls, chains, crossbones, death and gloom, how many GW fanboi's would jump up and order a 1000 of such blisters?

GW could make more money by seperatly blistering all those items.

reds8n
07-05-2009, 15:22
This is for alternatives of GW not for GW fanboi's to jump up and shout "NOT GW!!!111!!!"



I don't believe it's about people with a chip on their shoulder constantly harping on either, yet here you are....

xowainx
07-05-2009, 16:26
Then why don't you go pay $100 for whatever tanks you want? This is for alternatives of GW not for GW fanboi's to jump up and shout "NOT GW!!!111!!!"

I wonder if GW came out with a blister containing skulls, chains, crossbones, death and gloom, how many GW fanboi's would jump up and order a 1000 of such blisters?

GW could make more money by seperatly blistering all those items.

I didn't make that comparison because they're not GW, I made it because they are so flat and lacking in detail that they honestly look like someone has drawn the plans for them onto the inside of a cereal box, folded and scored the lines then glued them together. But no you have to make another borderline trolling post about how rubbish you think everything GW does is. Yawn.

Pokpoko
07-05-2009, 16:36
bah, i actually like those vehicles. nice and utilitarian,rather than silly over the top impractical designs that GW favors. Not that they aren't a bit flat, mind you:D

Poseidal
07-05-2009, 16:42
Do any company do plastic Great War or WWII infantry in 28mm (or around that)?

What I've seen here so far in this thread are metal, so it would make conversions and stuff like that a bit more difficult in that regard.

Brimstone
07-05-2009, 16:52
Then why don't you go pay $100 for whatever tanks you want? This is for alternatives of GW not for GW fanboi's to jump up and shout "NOT GW!!!111!!!"

I wonder if GW came out with a blister containing skulls, chains, crossbones, death and gloom, how many GW fanboi's would jump up and order a 1000 of such blisters?

GW could make more money by seperatly blistering all those items.

*Smites with banhammer* :evilgrin:

Trolls are not welcome on Warseer.

yabbadabba
07-05-2009, 17:24
*Smites with banhammer* :evilgrin:

WAAAAAAGGHHHHH! Feel the wrath of the mighty Brimstone :D

Ultimate Life Form
07-05-2009, 17:38
Well, I just read the forum guidelines again and wondered...

If you´re "trolling", do you get 10 points in general or 10 for every single post? Because then, LoLm would have easily raked up 60 points without even noticing...

Makes me shudder...:eek:

Brimstone
07-05-2009, 17:59
I'm not going to go into details in this thread because it's off topic and we only discuss specific cases with those involved but there is more to it than posting and I'll leave it at that.

The Warseer Inquisition

selfconstrukt
07-05-2009, 18:03
I am surprised Privateer Press was only mentioned once, there are a ton of models in their ranges that could be good alternatives for GW models.

Dark Elves-Legion of Everblight (You could even use Skorne as well)
Orcs-Trollbloods
Imperial Guard-Trenchers
Space Marines-Khador Man o' War (with a few conversions)

They also have some excellent Troll models, like the Extreme sculpts. You could easily use Warjacks for dreadnoughts.

Many of the rank and file models can be used for swordsmen, gunners, etc.

Lots of possibilities here, not enough time to link to them!

Trogdor
07-05-2009, 18:29
http://www.oldcrowmodels.co.uk/25vehicles.htm

Some cool vehicles and flyers for possible use with guard - 25mm range

Just a side note, but are they the "Hammer's Slammer's" minis I keep reading about in various magazines?

Not sure if they have been mentioned yet but there are various well sculpted sci-fi infantry models (plus a few interesting alternatives for Rough Riders) here. http://www.scotiagrendel.com/void_catalogue.html

http://www.scotiagrendel.com/31914-01_Junkers_sprue.JPG
http://www.scotiagrendel.com/31914-02_Viridian_sprue.JPG
As we all seem to like cheap, plastic infantry, these may well be worth a look.

Templar Ben
07-05-2009, 20:46
I can tell you how to get 2 pointers and 15 pointers. ;)


I am surprised Privateer Press was only mentioned once, there are a ton of models in their ranges that could be good alternatives for GW models.

Dark Elves-Legion of Everblight (You could even use Skorne as well)
Orcs-Trollbloods
Imperial Guard-Trenchers
Space Marines-Khador Man o' War (with a few conversions)

They also have some excellent Troll models, like the Extreme sculpts. You could easily use Warjacks for dreadnoughts.

Many of the rank and file models can be used for swordsmen, gunners, etc.

Lots of possibilities here, not enough time to link to them!

I think there is a concern there that individually cost can be the same if you are building a GW size army. A Warjack as a Dread would save some money though.

Bregalad
07-05-2009, 21:09
Be aware that Old Crow and Grendel are 25mm scale, so they are a bit small.
And I don't think that a cereal box is a viable alternative to GW tanks.

Brimstone
07-05-2009, 21:36
Be aware that Old Crow and Grendel are 25mm scale, so they are a bit small.

But they work perfectly well with Hasslefree Grymn and Olley's Armies Scrunts as Squat / IG Proxy armies.

forthegloryofkazadekrund
07-05-2009, 22:24
But they work perfectly well with Hasslefree Grymn and Olley's Armies Scrunts as Squat / IG Proxy armies.

Bob Olleys website will close soon and all the Scrunt moulds are being sold off as he is closing up shop :(

www.olleysarmies.co.uk Wrote:
You may already be aware from a previous announcement on our website that my father died recently, this sad event comes on top of a long and difficult year for me on a personal level. As a consequence I have decided to make some changes to my life, one of them being to end my commitment to Olleys Armies and sell off all its ranges. I have throughly enjoyed making models for Olleys Armies and had great ambition to keep adding to the ranges, but sometimes life gets in the way of your plans and plans have to change. I will not be leaving the industry as a freelance designer, although I am limiting the amount I do at the moment. For the future I hope to keep a website going and occasionally sell my own master greens or custom built models, directly from it.

Regards the wind down of Olleys Armies, we will cease selling castings from the website after 19th May and on the 20th May we will release details of the closed bid auction schedule.


It's given me a great deal of pleasure to know from our customers feedback, that many of you have got a great deal of enjoyment from collecting and using Olleys Armies minis. Sorry I can't keep producing more through Olleys Armies, but I will keep on sculpting which means you haven't seen the last of me yet.
Finally we would like to give a special thanks to all our customers who have generously supported us over the years and our sincere hope is that all the ranges will be bought by other companys/individuals and will continue to be produced well into the future.

Best regards

Bob & Jackie

IJW
07-05-2009, 22:26
Again? That's bad news. :(

selfconstrukt
07-05-2009, 22:52
I think there is a concern there that individually cost can be the same if you are building a GW size army. A Warjack as a Dread would save some money though.

Yeah, I know they are similar in cost, but I thought we were just discussing alternatives to use.

But you are right, PP can be just as pricey as GW and there are many less expensive alternatives out there, especially for BFG (god there are a TON of ships and fleets out there!)

BobtheInquisitor
08-05-2009, 01:19
But you are right, PP can be just as pricey as GW and there are many less expensive alternatives out there, especially for BFG (god there are a TON of ships and fleets out there!)

Could you please give me some examples? I love spaceships and I'm always on the lookout for new models, especially in plastic. Metal works, too, if the ship is really cool.

BrazenSix
08-05-2009, 06:11
Hmmm. I really like some of the Gamezone models. Is there any place where I can get these for a realtively decent price with shipping to Canada? The german site seems to say I need to order at least 50gbp worth of product before they will ship to Canada. :(

I'm probably only looking at getting one or two of the models.

jimbobodoll
08-05-2009, 06:49
Hmmm. I really like some of the Gamezone models. Is there any place where I can get these for a realtively decent price with shipping to Canada? The german site seems to say I need to order at least 50gbp worth of product before they will ship to Canada. :(

I'm probably only looking at getting one or two of the models.

try searching american ebay. There was a retailer selling first hand gamezone miniatures on there not long ago. I inquired about shipping to the uk, but the postage was madness. Maybe you can hunt him down. GL.

BrazenSix
08-05-2009, 08:05
Yeah, I was looking there and I might just have to wait for the right timing there and for them to post some of the figures I'd like

http://myworld.ebay.ca/theplayerscove/ has some posted right now. A tad more than what I'd like to pay including postage... but it seems to be the only 'reliable' alternative at the moment.

Poseidal
08-05-2009, 08:28
@bob

Try Ground Zero Games' Full Thrust range. Posting from a mobile at the moment so can't get the link unfortunately.

Bregalad
08-05-2009, 08:32
Ground Zero Games
http://www.groundzerogames.net/
(also have nice 25mm vehicles)

Netherghoul
08-05-2009, 08:57
Hmmm. I really like some of the Gamezone models. Is there any place where I can get these for a realtively decent price with shipping to Canada? The german site seems to say I need to order at least 50gbp worth of product before they will ship to Canada. :(

I'm probably only looking at getting one or two of the models.



make contact with these guys, they offer great service and the other miniatures they have are well worth checking out as well.

http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/shop/index.php

Pokpoko
08-05-2009, 10:17
Could you please give me some examples? I love spaceships and I'm always on the lookout for new models, especially in plastic. Metal works, too, if the ship is really cool.
http://star-ranger.com/
Enter the "miniatures" tab, and wonder at the CHOICE. Seriously, you can get anything, from uber-realistic replicas of actual tv show ships, to completely orginal designs. It's all metal and resin really, because it just isn't economically viable to do starships in plastic(GW excluded),but..my god,the sky,it's full of ships;)

ps: personally, i'm very fond of the ZandrisIV ships-the Homeworldesque designs are top notch, and if you look around you can find the new "azrael nemesis unit" PIC (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v24/ZandrisIV/Nemesis/?action=view&current=AzraelTeaser.jpg),a very radical design compared to most lines. The service is also very good, there were no miscasts, and the guy must be using the same hyperspeed wormhole that GZG uses(i recieved the order day after he sent it,from UK to continental europe!).

Brimstone
08-05-2009, 10:29
Could you please give me some examples? I love spaceships and I'm always on the lookout for new models, especially in plastic. Metal works, too, if the ship is really cool.

Try this link :)

http://www.star-ranger.com/Minis.htm

This site came up on TGN recently and seems to have some cool models.

http://z4miniatures.blogspot.com/

BobtheInquisitor
11-05-2009, 19:57
Thanks for the links, guys. I am interested in many of these models. Verrrry interested.

I was surprised to see that the Honor Harrington-verse ships have models. They're not the coolest designs ever, and they all tend to look alike, but it's still several shades of awesome. Thanks.

selfconstrukt
12-05-2009, 18:04
Could you please give me some examples? I love spaceships and I'm always on the lookout for new models, especially in plastic. Metal works, too, if the ship is really cool.

Some of these were mentioned already I think:

http://www.mondayknight.com/galknindex.htm
http://www.rattleheadgames.com/catalog/WithHostileIntentProducts.html
http://z4miniatures.blogspot.com/
http://coldnavy.xtreme-hobby.com/
http://www.ravenstarstudios.com/
http://www.gtns.co.uk/store1/commerce.cgi?page=ft-fp.html&cart_id=2945659.18532


Those are just a few, you can also try Hobbylink Japan for the range of Legend of Galactic Heroes, Macross or Yamato ship models.

N810
12-05-2009, 18:45
How about those Babylion 5 miniture ships ? (for BFG)
http://spaceship.brainiac.com/spaceship2.html#b5mini
(sory I can't seem to find a decent calery you are going to have to view the links individualy)

SneakyChris
12-05-2009, 20:15
Price wise very competitive on GW prices. But lacking the detail of GW miniatures......
http://www.black-tree-design.com/btdcat.php?ctry=uk&lng=gb&rangenum=1&typenum=1&qty=3&sub=24.56&shp=2.95&tot=27.51

Trogdor
12-05-2009, 20:41
Price wise very competitive on GW prices. But lacking the detail of GW miniatures......
http://www.black-tree-design.com/btdcat.php?ctry=uk&lng=gb&rangenum=1&typenum=1&qty=3&sub=24.56&shp=2.95&tot=27.51

In their own way, these are quite charming little miniatures. They've got that 4th ed Undead feel to 'em, brings back memories of reading White Dwarf and listening to Snoop Dogg round my mates house *wipes away a nostalgic tear*. Cheers for the tip.

jimbobodoll
14-05-2009, 14:08
2 fantastic "Overarching" websites linking to a huge range of GW alternative models.
One based out of the Gol 'ol USA:
http://fantization.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=5

One based out of the Bundesrepublik Deutschland (AKA, "Germany"):
http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/shop/index.php?cat=WG426

If you're not in the USA or Euro-zone, then I guess its have a look to who's shipping and prices convert lower...

Max Jet
14-05-2009, 18:36
For Gods sake... A partner of Tamiya DOES produce 28mm model kits!!!
And they are cheap TOO! OO

http://www.hobbycentre.com.au/ZVEZDF04.html

yabbadabba
14-05-2009, 19:21
For Gods sake... A partner of Tamiya DOES produce 28mm model kits!!!
And they are cheap TOO! OO
http://www.hobbycentre.com.au/ZVEZDF04.html

NOt sure what any gods' got to do with it but thanks for the post.

Netherghoul
14-05-2009, 19:51
For Gods sake... A partner of Tamiya DOES produce 28mm model kits!!!
And they are cheap TOO! OO

http://www.hobbycentre.com.au/ZVEZDF04.html


uhrm yeah, but those are really really hideous.
we got them in the store too, its really not what you're hoping for.
only interesting stuff they have are the castles.

N810
14-05-2009, 20:32
I got one of their castles (the square one),
it's prety good especialy since it was real cheep.
their siege equipment looks like it might be decent too. ;)

Sleazy
14-05-2009, 20:34
In their own way, these are quite charming little miniatures. They've got that 4th ed Undead feel to 'em, brings back memories of reading White Dwarf and listening to Snoop Dogg round my mates house *wipes away a nostalgic tear*. Cheers for the tip.



for even more coolness, sign up to their newsletter for a bigger discount (35% I think). You can even ask for free samples!!

Bregalad
14-05-2009, 20:46
For Gods sake... A partner of Tamiya DOES produce 28mm model kits!!!
Zvezda is Russian and not comparable in any way to Tamiya or any other Japanese quality kit producer. Zvezda produces cheap stand-ins but that's it.

Zink
14-05-2009, 21:16
I have some Zvezda models and they are good looking minis but a fiddly pain in the butt to assemble at times. Their elves and undead romans from the Ring of Rule series are cool. I haven't seen the others in person but I've heard the orcs are nothing special.

Max Jet
14-05-2009, 21:29
Zvezda is Russian and not comparable in any way to Tamiya or any other Japanese quality kit producer. Zvezda produces cheap stand-ins but that's it.

Didn't Tamiya buy Zvezda? Or do I confuse something?

jimbobodoll
14-05-2009, 22:10
i tried googling for proper pictures of the minis with limited success, (basically undead models). Can anyone provide a better link of these ruskie minnies?

N810
14-05-2009, 23:42
Try this site (pictures in the blue links)
http://www.miniatures.de/zvezda.html
ok not so many pictures.. :(

Oh check these out I found them on my google search :)
http://www.valdemarminiatures.com/information.asp?Page=119&menu=6&type=menu&print=print&web_version=1

Osbad
15-05-2009, 12:28
Whether or not you like Zvezda's style (I personally happen to like their more "realistic" proportions over WFB's "heroic"/"cartoony" exaggerated proportions, but that is purely a personal aesthetics issue), you need to be aware that they are NOT 28mm in scale. Not even "true" 28mm. They are instead "true 1:72" which equates to being on the small side of 20mm scale or the large side of 15mm. i.e. they are smaller than LotR figures and WAY smaller than WFB, which is a "heroic 32mm - i.e. almost twice the size.

This provides issues of compatability for the figures, but some of the warmachines and buildings are useable with WFB.

In truth they are pretty much like the 1:72 boxes of Airfix or Aetalia stuff.

Zink
15-05-2009, 14:34
Osbad, Zvezda makes minis in several different scales. The Ring of Rule series are "true 28mm". So they are smaller and more realistically proportioned than GW minis but match well with some historical 28mm minis. The majority of their models are 1/32 (too big) or 1/72 (too small) though.

LuciusAR
15-05-2009, 17:42
http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/tg2420-1.html

I just ordered these guys, hopefully they will be inducted guard in my demonhunters just have to see what they are like in comparison to GW stuff

First time I have bought something non GW woo, screw you price increases

I will be aiming to use the trenchers but if I can think of a way to use the other guys I shall

Zoinmng!!!!!

80 plastics for 20 Euros? Quite nice plastics as well judging from the pics. Hmmmm, convert those with some head bits from Pig Iron and suddenly that Guard Army becomes affordable.

I've just ordered 2 bags! 160 figs for less than a single GW battalion? No contest.



Why not just make those yourself out of cardboard cereal boxes? Or just even use the boxes for your vehicles?

I think your being a bit harsh. I quite like the minimalist look of them. These actually look like authentic sci-fi vehicles. Not sure about the scale mind. Wouldn't mind seeing some of them in the flesh (well resin anyway).

Bregalad
15-05-2009, 20:29
Osbad, Zvezda makes minis in several different scales. The Ring of Rule series are "true 28mm". So they are smaller and more realistically proportioned than GW minis but match well with some historical 28mm minis. The majority of their models are 1/32 (too big) or 1/72 (too small) though.
Seconded. Those boxes marked 28mm scale are just that, those marked 1:72 the same. So scalewise the 28mm boxes fit. They are about the same quality as 1:72 Airfix figures though.

Pokpoko
15-05-2009, 20:33
...a clear oversight(;) ), but noone suggested http://www.mayasphere.net/infinity_ENG/ yet!
They're a bit on the pricy side, so as 40k substitutes they'll be limited to either very small squads or single characters(incidentally,it's a very good game on it's own merit;) )
for example:
how about some spiffing dreadnought or sentinel variants?
Link (http://www.mayasphere.net/infinity_ENG/components/com_expose/expose/img/alb_6/img_1211360750_593_lg.jpg)
Link (http://www.mayasphere.net/infinity_ENG/components/com_expose/expose/img/alb_5/img_1202770759_102_lg.jpg)

or IG Rough Riders?
Link (http://www.mayasphere.net/infinity_ENG/components/com_expose/expose/img/alb_4/img_1227085595_49_lg.jpg)
or death cult assasin?
Link (http://www.mayasphere.net/infinity_ENG/images/stories/All/Ninja-HackerWEB.jpg)
Link (http://www.mayasphere.net/infinity_ENG/components/com_expose/expose/img/alb_4/img_1202770496_368_lg.jpg)
or a brave female inquisitor?
Link (http://www.mayasphere.net/infinity_ENG/images/stories/All/Juana-De-Arco-V2web.jpg)
or a IG medic
Link (http://www.mayasphere.net/infinity_ENG/components/com_expose/expose/img/alb_2/img_1202769714_820_lg.jpg)
Link (http://www.mayasphere.net/infinity_ENG/components/com_expose/expose/img/alb_3/img_1202770024_890_lg.jpg)
And some Storm Troopers for those new valkyries you'v just bought?
Link (http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity_ENG/components/com_expose/expose/img/alb_2/img_1232737031_141_lg.jpg)
Link (http://www.mayasphere.net/infinity_ENG/components/com_expose/expose/img/alb_4/img_1202770451_185_lg.jpg)
Maybe a particularily unorthodox tech priest?
Link (http://www.mayasphere.net/infinity_ENG/components/com_expose/expose/img/alb_6/img_1216806975_757_lg.jpg)
Link (http://www.mayasphere.net/infinity_ENG/components/com_expose/expose/img/alb_3/img_1202770034_376_lg.jpg)

Or how about a IG sniper?
Link (http://www.mayasphere.net/infinity_ENG/components/com_expose/expose/img/alb_2/img_1211360721_50_lg.jpg)
Link (http://www.mayasphere.net/infinity_ENG/components/com_expose/expose/img/alb_3/img_1227085576_684_lg.jpg)
..well,you get the idea:D

Velsharoon
16-05-2009, 00:18
Well mine still havent arrived, hopefully be soon :)

They are obviously not as high quality but tbh I think they shall be adequate, just have to wait and see

BobtheInquisitor
16-05-2009, 07:48
Zoinmng!!!!!

80 plastics for 20 Euros? Quite nice plastics as well judging from the pics. Hmmmm, convert those with some head bits from Pig Iron and suddenly that Guard Army becomes affordable.

I've just ordered 2 bags! 160 figs for less than a single GW battalion? No contest.

I just got mine, and they are awesome.

They are nice models with lots of character and almost exactly the same size as GW Guardsmen, but the plastic is harder and the mold lines are as bad as on any GW model, so it will take you longer to clean them up. They also have less flexibilty in terms of posing or weapons. The heads are a little bit smaller than on GW minis, especially the forehead, but they do look mean. All in all, these models are a little bit less detailed than GW models, but very characterful and worth the price.

LuciusAR
16-05-2009, 09:50
I just got mine, and they are awesome.

They are nice models with lots of character and almost exactly the same size as GW Guardsmen, but the plastic is harder and the mold lines are as bad as on any GW model, so it will take you longer to clean them up. They also have less flexibilty in terms of posing or weapons. The heads are a little bit smaller than on GW minis, especially the forehead, but they do look mean. All in all, these models are a little bit less detailed than GW models, but very characterful and worth the price.

Ace.

I'll be using them mainly for my rank and file guardsmen. With regards to weapons I see from a closueup of one of the sprues that the weapons can be clipped away from the arm easily enough and the other arm is separate making weapon swaps easy enough. The Assault Cannon's they come with will make fine Heavy Bolters, and the basic guns look just fine for stand in Lasguns.

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I plan to use PiG-Iron heads which along with a more earthy paint job should give quite a sci-fi look as opposed to the WW1 look the basic heads give.

These for the rank and file:

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and these for the Storm-Troopers:

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I've also found a nice source of weapons from Hasslefree.

These are going to be the guns for my Storm Troopers, people should find them familiar!

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I just need to find some sci-fi looking backpacks now.

These Rail-Gun's are going to be stand in Lascannons.

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There are also plenty of other sci-fi bits on hassle-free. I definitely recommend them.

Does any know of any companies that do other sci-fi bits like backpacks and rocket launchers?

Sleazy
16-05-2009, 12:12
nice LuciusAR. I used those Pig Iron heads with those Hasslefree pulse rifles on my storm troopers. I used cadian bodies and added hasslefree drop packs. I can post pics if you wanna see the result?

isaac
16-05-2009, 12:44
Finished results are always great

LuciusAR
16-05-2009, 14:19
nice LuciusAR. I used those Pig Iron heads with those Hasslefree pulse rifles on my storm troopers. I used cadian bodies and added hasslefree drop packs. I can post pics if you wanna see the result?

Indeed, I'd love to see the reults. I'll certainly post the results of my conversions once all the bits and bobs arrive.

isaac
16-05-2009, 19:02
Quick question, how are the hasslefree gun bitz in comparison with GW ones in terms of size and quality?

Sleazy
16-05-2009, 21:35
well the guns are smaller than cadian lasguns, kinda work as carbines though.

Have posted these before but here you go...

desert camo
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/sleazycome/SNC00152.jpg

size comparison
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/sleazycome/SP_A0174.jpg

painted sgt
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/sleazycome/SP_A0173.jpg

wip squad
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/sleazycome/SP_A0170.jpg

isaac
16-05-2009, 21:51
Perfect! I had been hoping to use them with 'real' 1/56 minis to make them sci-fi, but was worried that they might be bigger than lasguns.

LuciusAR
16-05-2009, 23:12
Quick question, how are the hasslefree gun bitz in comparison with GW ones in terms of size and quality?

From the pics they look comparable. I'll let you know when they arrive.

Velsharoon
19-05-2009, 11:36
I was looking at the steel legion stuff (my warzone stuff still hasnt arrived *rage*

Anyone know of krieg/legion style stuff on the cheap, would use 1/48 tank kits as well.

Was looking at Imperial guard again and thinking how I would like to paint bog standard humans but then I felt repulsed by the change from 20 man to ten man box sets

mweaver
19-05-2009, 12:06
Nice conversions, Sleazy.

sunkist
30-05-2009, 13:35
Theses Daughter of the Whip http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/daughter/latest/06145 could be a nice alternative for Arco-Flagellant.

Grindgodgrind
01-06-2009, 01:36
The pig-iron stuff looks amazing, I think if I ever get a Guard army, I'll make some purchases from Pig Iron. This is a great thread with some wicked ideas!

BaronIveagh
01-06-2009, 02:51
You can tell there's no serious tread heads on here yet. http://www.verlindenonline.com/store/ for all your tanky bits needs. I use Verlinden 1/35 scale resin bits over FW on tanks, etc. They tend to be superior to FW as far as quality of sculpt, and include things that would actually be on a tank, but a lot of people don't think of (unless you own a tank, he he he). The entrenching tools in the stowage actually look more to scale for IG rather then the ones that the Cadian's come with these days.

I've gotten some of the hasselfree cad guns. The sniper rifles seem to be the best ones, they're well sculpted, look better then the long-las and have a similar butt to the lasgun to make modding figures a bit easier.

It might not say it on the site, but you get four to a sprue. I overbought a bit, thinking it was just for a single gun... LOL

BTW: I've been looking to blend in the Grymn range minis into my IG army as counts as guardsmen squats. Some of them are very easily modded to work, though you'll find the best place to put the squad number is on their backs if you're making a Cadian army. There's one that makes an excellent plasmagunner if you mod his weapon slightly.

Yes, I like to annoy GW purists with my IG army. "ZOMG! SQuATS! And female guardsmen! And Verlinden bits on the tanks instead of FW??!?!"

You'd think I put tits on a (loyalist) Space Marine. (You GO Doctor Thunder! I laughed so hard I cried at some peoples reaction to Female Space Marines [as in NOT SoB])

Siam-Tiger
01-06-2009, 08:43
Wasn't the thread in its origin about having alternatives? Additional bitz to regular gw kits does cost more than a regular gw kit. My understanding was using other products instead not additional. Never the less, many of the conversion look ace.

I went with Pig Iron heads and old warzone plastics for my empire, but as i am currently waiting for some news from Victrix, i might switch over to using napoleonic 1:56 figs.

isaac
01-06-2009, 09:11
I should be getting some victrix french in a couple of days. I will post full pictures (and hopefully unboxing then). There are many pictures of the british floating around, but from what I have heard, the french are better (in terms of poses, sculpting, proportions, etc.).

Siam tiger, I think as it is being creativ and will work well with GW and Non-GW minis, I don't see a problem. By the way, how are the warzone plastics to work with? 28 or 30mm? Easy to convert?

Siam-Tiger
01-06-2009, 09:33
They match quite good, not just because they are heroic scale. So easier to mix with GW Range. On the long term, you have to compromise as the stock is limited, but cheap. And its difficult to get your hands on the metall figs.

isaac
01-06-2009, 10:10
What do you mean that the stock is limited? Of the metals or plastics? I have noticed that many of the metals are out of print, but I have seen nothing about the plastics.

By the way nice blog, it is nice to see a good german wargaming blog.

Siam-Tiger
01-06-2009, 10:18
Thanks :)

Warzone Miniatures aren't produced anymore, because target games (now urban mammoth) is out of business.

But prince august (http://www.princeaugust.ie/) has some of the miniatures left. You can buy the "big bag" with 80 figs for 20 bucks, but sometimes ebay is cheaper. The minis are quite good for massive use, like in an imperial guard army. But the metall figs are kinda poor, you really notice that those are 10 yrs and older.

Comparison pictures, Warzone Imperial Soldiers Plastic with Pig Iron Heads vs GW Cadian Sergeant.
http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wip/MSC_IGAUX.jpg

isaac
01-06-2009, 10:26
That is very tempting to make a cheap IG army.

Do the two factions look very different? Or could they be easily mixed?

(I also sent Victrix an e-mail asking about the british artillery and french imperial guard grenadiers (and whether they are plastic or metal), will send you a PM if I get a response)

Siam-Tiger
01-06-2009, 10:38
See for your self:

http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/tg2420-1.html

About victrix, i guess i´ll give them a call.

isaac
01-06-2009, 10:54
I have seen the pictures, I am just wondering how they look on the table mixed together (with the same painting scheme)

I would love to hear when the Victrix stuff comes out. Be sure to keep us informed. Also what material they are made of would be nice. When I plan to expand my IG, I plan to order directly from victrix (for the colonels and pioneers and I would rather combine orders.

Siam-Tiger
01-06-2009, 11:00
Will look different, the shoulder pads are different, the armor as well and especially the guns, but with the same helmets you could achieve a more uniform look.

Here is an army log using the warzone imperials
http://www.gw-fanworld.net/showthread.php?t=99409

BaronIveagh
01-06-2009, 14:03
Wasn't the thread in its origin about having alternatives? Additional bitz to regular gw kits does cost more than a regular gw kit. My understanding was using other products instead not additional. Never the less, many of the conversion look ace.

Eh... I'll say that I haven't found a good LR looking tank model to replace the Russ with. (Bassie, yes, Russ and Chimera, No). However, I have found that if you are looking at tooling out with extra bits and have no sculpting skill yourself, Verlinden has much better resins then FW and tend to be a bit cheaper.

Siam-Tiger
01-06-2009, 19:17
Got an answer from Victrix, Imperial Guard / Long Coats well be ready in late summer. So max. 3 months I guess.

isaac
01-06-2009, 19:23
Woohoo! IG veterans here we come! Do you have any other tidbits to dole out? Metal or Plastic? # per box?

Siam-Tiger
01-06-2009, 20:45
I'd go with plastics and 60 for about 20 bucks.

But you can use some of the Perry Minis for characters etc.

isaac
01-06-2009, 21:06
I will be using perry minis for some characters (Napoleon for example and for the specialty officers (Ordnance, Astropath, Fleet). But I would rather work with plastic to save my sanity.

chromedog
02-06-2009, 03:43
@BaronIveagh: thanks for that link. I may now be able to replace some old verlinden terrain that was lost when I moved house many years ago (my local modelshop does stock selected verlinden stuff, and can order stuff, but it helps to know what they should order for me).

I've used their ammo (1/35) and brass-etch before and it is definitely better than FW and cheaper, too.

isaac
03-06-2009, 19:29
Just posted pictures of victrix french with comparisons

fwacho
05-06-2009, 04:28
I use reaper models for my chaos leader... i really like some of the angels. (it's that story of that old slaneeshi player who used a little girl model as his frightingly powerful commander)

LuciusAR
06-06-2009, 19:13
Whay! My bits from Hasslefree arrived today. Ive already put a couple together. Pics to come soon!

isaac
06-06-2009, 22:33
My still have not arrived....

Which ones did you order?

Bregalad
07-06-2009, 07:51
Perhaps you should move your Napoleonic army project discussion to your project log, as it is off topic here.

BrazenSix
07-06-2009, 11:01
Got my two gamezone models off ebay last week and they are amazing. Great detail and just the right scale. :) Have to supply your own gw base though, as they come with clear plastic ones (not a big issue obviously).

Siam-Tiger
07-06-2009, 11:03
Got my two gamezone models off ebay last week and they are amazing. Great detail and just the right scale. :) Have to supply your own gw base though, as they come with clear plastic ones (not a big issue obviously).

Problem with Gamezone is the fitting, you have on some minis rather large gaps to fill. So not quite suiting for "starters".

isaac
08-06-2009, 15:45
I just got my hasslefree bitz, they are perfect if you need real 28mm weapons.

BrazenSix
08-06-2009, 20:55
Problem with Gamezone is the fitting, you have on some minis rather large gaps to fill. So not quite suiting for "starters".

Yeah, I could see that. I got the goblin heor and one of the fanatics. Might GS where their weapons/hands attach, but it would be minor and not necessarily needed.

mrtn
09-06-2009, 10:57
Ral Partha minotaur for £1.50: https://www.connectstores.com/ralpartha/sp_37311.html
Two others for £2.50 each: https://www.connectstores.com/ralpartha/sp_30561.html

GW's minotaurs cost £12, 8 times the cost of that first one. Personally I'd rather have 2 ugly units than one ugly mini, if you're paying the same...

Duke Georgal
09-06-2009, 11:18
I have only purchased one gamezone figure, a dark elf mounted musician light cavalry model.

The horse is amazing, but I am not using it.

The figure leaves a lot to be desired. Their is a serious lack of depth to her face, and some of the areas are just questionable. Detail fidelity is no where near up to GW standards. The pose is fantastic, but the sculpture/casting should be better.

Daemonslave
10-06-2009, 18:53
Thanks BaronIveagh for that link, the stuff on there is great - you do realise you've just cost me a fortune, right!?:)

Can I ask, is 28mm scale the same as 1:35?

I looked it up, but some say 1:48 is closer, while other say that 1:35 is best.

Thanks.

Also, for one off models (not army) www.ultraforgeminiatures.com are pretty good.

isaac
10-06-2009, 18:59
The standard sizes for models with miniatures is 1/35, 1/48, 1/56 (28mm), 1/72

1/48 should work for most heroic 28mm (i.e. 40k) vehicles, 1/35 can be used for some purposes, but requires work so the components of the vehicle don't look out of scale.
1/72 is way too small except for some conversions, but normally it will not fit. 1/56 might be used, but it would look out of place as 40k is between 1/48 and 1/56

Daemonslave
10-06-2009, 19:11
The standard sizes for models with miniatures is 1/35, 1/48, 1/56 (28mm), 1/72

1/48 should work for most heroic 28mm (i.e. 40k) vehicles, 1/35 can be used for some purposes, but requires work so the components of the vehicle don't look out of scale.
1/72 is way too small except for some conversions, but normally it will not fit. 1/56 might be used, but it would look out of place as 40k is between 1/48 and 1/56

OK, thanks,

So most of the stuff on the link that BaronIveagh posted; http://www.verlindenonline.com/store/index.html
would be too big (the 1:35 scale)? - I'm thinking mostly of the scenery and the accessories (such as furniture, etc).

Does anyone own any of this stuff and have a comparison pic they could show?

Siam-Tiger
10-06-2009, 19:26
The standard sizes for models with miniatures is 1/35, 1/48, 1/56 (28mm), 1/72

1/48 should work for most heroic 28mm (i.e. 40k) vehicles, 1/35 can be used for some purposes, but requires work so the components of the vehicle don't look out of scale.
1/72 is way too small except for some conversions, but normally it will not fit. 1/56 might be used, but it would look out of place as 40k is between 1/48 and 1/56

1:48 fit in length but have a lack in width and height.

http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=4601

http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/ta_stugscale.jpg
http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/ta_stugfinal.jpg

Daemonslave
10-06-2009, 20:40
So a scale of 1:35 would be best? Or have I got it the wrong way round - would 1:64 be best?

N810
10-06-2009, 20:42
1/72 Buildings usualy fit in with Warhammer's odd scaling.

Daemonslave
10-06-2009, 20:49
OK, thanks.

Pokpoko
10-06-2009, 20:54
So a scale of 1:35 would be best? Or have I got it the wrong way round - would 1:64 be best?

1:35 is way too big for accesories and even buildings. 1:72 is too small for accesories, and only passable from a distance for buildings.as usual, there may be exceptions, but that's what i'v seen so far.

Bregalad
10-06-2009, 23:05
1:35 is nominally double 28mm scale, a man is 54mm high and a hobbit in that scale larger than a Space Marine. GW called it Inquisitor scale. But as GW doesn't use a consistent scale, not even within one miniature ("Heroic scale", that is ridiculously enlarged hands, heads and weapons), eye judgment is the only reliable way to find out. But there are now many 28mm scale tanks (e.g. Brigade games and West Wind Production) and 1:48 comes close. But remember, that even GW tank guns are heroic and the calibre of destroyer ship guns at least.

isaac
10-06-2009, 23:36
Bigger guns than normal really give the feel of 40k. Even 1/35 infantry weapons look puny compared to a bolter.

Arador
11-06-2009, 22:46
Good thread, this. I didn't know Scotia Grendel had the moulds for VOID 1.1 stuff, for example. Might pick some Viridians someday.

Xarius
13-06-2009, 21:06
size comparison
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/sleazycome/SP_A0174.jpg



would the real steel stuff from hasslefree work in any way with GW stuff, even IG or would a g36 be a like a pistol?

isaac
13-06-2009, 22:24
well the guns are smaller than cadian lasguns, kinda work as carbines though.

Have posted these before but here you go...

desert camo
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/sleazycome/SNC00152.jpg

size comparison
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/sleazycome/SP_A0174.jpg

painted sgt
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/sleazycome/SP_A0173.jpg

wip squad
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/sleazycome/SP_A0170.jpg

I must have 10 characters in my post

Dr. Darke
28-01-2010, 09:58
Really sorry for Necro-Posting, but this tread was all that popped up when I searched.

About Westwind Production's WWII models, especially the SWOTTR range, how do these scale up to GW's IG models?

Bigger/Smaller?

moogoodoo
04-09-2010, 19:25
any one no wher i can get a throgg and a kolek model for woc wf thanks