View Full Version : Official September 2009 White Dwarf (USA 356, UK 357 etc) Feedback Thread

18-08-2009, 17:56
Its time for yet another White Dwarf Feedback thread, this time for the September issue (US 356, UK 357 etc).

If any of you wish to make more general comments about WD, please will you make them in the General White Dwarf Feedback Thread (http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23972).

I would like to make a couple of other requests. If you post the score you have given to the current WD on the thread, would you please explain why especially if you have voted 1 or 10. I think this is useful (and interesting) for other WarSeer members reading the thread, it also provides useful feedback for others who read the thread which may include GW Staffers.

The other request is related to the previous one. Do not criticise people for posting their score and views about WD, I believe we are all entitled to voice our opinions without the the fear of them being criticised.

As always, all off-topic posts and spam will be deleted without notice.

The WarSeer Inquisition

18-08-2009, 23:06
Not bad. The space hulk article brought back some memories. But not my thing really, i thought it took up too many pages. But I like the way they don't have the usual round bases
It's always good to see orcs in a battle report, because they're my army as well :) ..and one of my opponents is getting dark elves as well. Report was ok.
Apart from that, nothing really shines out to me. I gave it a 5

24-08-2009, 15:38
Three non-studio armies featured (two in a "tournament style" battle report), two background articles and a new scenario for Warhammer? I have a train journey tomorrow where i'll be digesting it more, but with that and all the Space Hulk articles, it's certainly looking promising.

24-08-2009, 18:47
I gave it a 7. The best issue in a long long time, for 3 main reason.

Space Hulk. Nice long article (though lacking any reasoning for the rule changes) and game report with good maps. Now if they could include a new scenerio (or additional rules) in most future issues it would be a step towards an essential purchase.

WFB battle report. Almost like the "good ol' days". Player turn by player turn maps and description with no HuGe photos taking prominace over clarity, i could actually follow exactly what was going on. This reminded me of the battle reports in the issues 120 - 200ish era. Could do with a bit more text if being picky. Non studio armies too!!

New WFB scenerio. Looks like a new regular feature and not tied into any promotion, a unexpected surprise. Good.

24-08-2009, 19:43
Really enjoyed flicking through this issue. I thought the coverage was good and the focus on space hulk was unexpected (I presumed a small box highlighting the release in the news section).

The painting article on the Blood Angel's terminator was very detailed too.


24-08-2009, 19:43
Arrived in the post today so haven't had time to read it yet, but 4 things stand out initially.

1/ It feels a lot thinner than last month's
2/ There appear to be a lot less direct "adverts" in the thing (OK the articles are mainly pimpage of Space Hulk and Azhag, but that's unavoidable, and still can be interesting)
3/ The words to pictures ratio appears more acceptable than many of the worst issues, so this one has promise.
4/ There is zero coverage of LotR/WotR. This will please some (those who constantly whinge about "too much LotR" ... we know who you are...)but irritates me.

I'll come back and vote when I've had a chance to read it.

Lord Damocles
25-08-2009, 14:49
Editorial - Meh.

News and New Releases - Good to see the return of 'White Dwarf on tour' in the form of the picture of Frodo up Mt Everest.
Overall it's about the same as always, but just like last month, my main complaint would be with there being no picture of the Imperial Tank Crew bitz pack.

Space Hulk - [uninteligable excited gibbering] This article does a good job of presenting the basics of the games, models, and board as well as explaining a good few of the design decisions, giving some information which wasn't on the internet weeks beforehand, and showing lots of lovely pictures of the models [drools]. The archive section is - as ever - welcomed.
The only thing which I'm surprised they didn't include is more emphasis that this is a limited release.

Space Hulk Mission Report - This does a reasonable job of illustrating what Space Hulk is all about, although there's a lot of it, and it sometimes seems a little disjointed with Jervis' comments breaking up the flow.
A smaller game might have worked better, but it's good none the less.

Painting Masterclass (Sergeant Lorenzo) - No matter what I do my Blood Angels are never going to look that cool. As usual very good.

Between a Rok and a Hard Place (Rok of Ages campaign part II) - After taking quite a while to get started while explaining what happened last month (not a lot), the bulk of the campaign is skipped over in favour of showing pictures of a bajillion models and dozens of baneblades in an Apoc game. Great...
The article might have been redeemed by showing several non-studio armies, but alas, we saw the World Eaters a couple of months ago and the Salamanders are rather generic (and Tu'shan isn't shown, despite being mentioned several times - you can see his back on page 60 in front of the Land Raider though).
Only other things of note here are the Tyranids in the very top corner of page 61. New Tyrant Guard?

Double Trouble (Fantasy doubles tournament) - Despite not playing Fantasy, this was an enjoyable enough read in the same vein as the 40K doubles coverage a while ago, relying on words rather than giant pictures.
Hands up who's surprised that Chaos Daemons won?

Heroes of Catachan - Catachans are awesome covered in winsauce. That's basicly the jist of this. Still background in White Dwarf can't be too bad (although they should have reprinted the bit with Straken fighting his way up a xenos-held hill IMO).
The tactics boxes are pretty pointless, but there you go...

Waaagh Azhag - Do GW actually think people will pay that much for Azhag? Seems a little extreme even by the usual standards.
This article is blatantly just an excuse to show seveal pictures of Azhag and include a page of adverts.

Clash of Champions (Fantasy battle report) - Non studio armies? Check. Non studio players? Check. Serious game? Check. Standard game? Erm, no. Oh well, three out of four isn't bad I suppose.
The old school maps are also very welcome.

Standard Bearer - Ramble, ramble, ramble, Scenario! This would have worked far better with less ramble and more scenario.

Hobby Essentials - It's so very essential that I don't care, and won't buy it.
Nor would I need to be shown how to use it even if I did buy it.

James Karch's Ultramarines - I was wondering when I was going to get to some Ultramarines...
The models are very pretty and all, but I can't help but wish for something which isn't blue and a Marine.

Stuff that I never read at the back - Did I read it? No.

Not a bad issue for me. But then again I play Blood Angels and have pre-ordered Space Hulk.
The lack of LoTR is for me both welcome (I've never pretended to like the usual coversage much), and at the same time a bit of a let down - if GW are going to have LoTR as the third core system, they should give it the same level of support as 40K and Fantasy. If I was a LoTR player I'd be a bit peeved this month.
As a personal score, I'd give it 7 or 8 for the Space Hulk coverage, but I can't simply overlook the lack of any LoTR content, and so will give this month's issue a 6.

26-08-2009, 01:36
This was a nice issue. The Space Hulk stuff made me more interested in that game. The WFB scenario sounds fun, and the battle report was good and old school. Heck, they even had diagonal lines designating the cavalry units!

A solid 8.

26-08-2009, 13:34
Spikey's marines were the only saving grace this month. If I hadn't got a subscription as a gift I don't think I would have bothered this month. :(

One nice article, shame the pictures in his log are nicer.



26-08-2009, 14:45
I enjoyed this issue a lot.

The Space Hulk feature was much larger than I expected and the battle report was nice and tense. It brought all the memories flooding back for me. The painting part was superb too.

I enjoyed the WFB game report too, although I could have done without the disclaimers in the introduction. I'd like to see more games of this type across a range of systems.

The coverage of the doubles tournament was OK as was the Catachan heroes bit.

The end of the Rok of Ages campaign was a disappointment as has been mentioned. Too many photos and not enough reporting of the action.

Still, pretty much everything in there was of use to me and I found that there was actually quite a bit to read.

26-08-2009, 15:14
Interesting that there is not a single LotR article this month.

26-08-2009, 15:27
What Lord Damocles said. Except I don't play Blood Angels and I do (only very occasionally now) play LotR. As a LotR-player I was a bit hacked off with no coverage this month, but on the other hand, the LotR coverage that has actually been printed has been pretty cack, and I'd rather see a decent (say) WFB article (for a system I don't play) than a crap one for a system I do.

As a podcast somewhere says... "Not too horrible" this month. Not enough to get me to resubscribe, but at least not a total waste of money.

A solid 6 this month. Which after last month's dreck is a definite relief.

Insane Psychopath
26-08-2009, 15:43
I really enjoy this month WD, got everthing I like

Tournament style battle report. Though it WFB :p (more 40k player :D ) it was a nice read & I really like both player armies.

Also like the article about the WFB doubles tournament, as in the pass I alway felt the tournament side was not shown enough after 2005 GT finial for 40k, just the odd bit here & there. There a lot of cool armies that the UKGT's & like wise the game side is fun.
Just wish we got a bit more, me being a big tournament fan :D

Space Hulk!!!!!!!! I am all hype up for the release of Space Hulk, can't wait for it release.

Ultramarine army by SpikeyJames. For me it alway cool seen other people armies who converted & painted them nicely. Though I might not collect said army it is alway great for idea to use in your own be it a conversion or painting style. (alway been a fan of George Dellapina models, Chrsitain Bryne Black Legion, Wade's World Eater, Matt Templar, etc......).

Can't wait for next month when it all about the Space Wolves :D


26-08-2009, 16:15
No mention of LOTR at all? Is that a new thing, or has it been done in the past? Sends a pretty strong message if you ask me.

27-08-2009, 21:50
This issue was actually the best in a long time.

The battle reports were actually quite good. The break down is turn by turn, and it is clear what is going on.

I actually liked the space hulk report, and the Sergeant Lorenzo painting article is good. It gives people a process for getting a nice red colour.

Normally I just flick through WD, see there is pretty much nothing of interest and don't buy it, but I bought it this month. I rated it a nine.

28-08-2009, 07:35
This must be one the poorest WD in months.

The only item of interest was the Eavy Metal Painting article on Blood Angels.

A waste of a tree.

28-08-2009, 14:11
Is that coming from someone who has no interest in Fantasy Wintermute, or would you say that the issue would be dull even for those who like WHFB?

Art Is Resistance
28-08-2009, 15:10
Not a bad issue, but I do question turning over so many pages to a game that many won't be able to buy due to the limited numbers.

the battle report as well - do those guys love themselves or what? I could hardly read the damn thing it smacked so much of smugness.

The painting guide was the best part, alongside Spikeyjames' UM's.

28-08-2009, 19:12
Is that coming from someone who has no interest in Fantasy Wintermute, or would you say that the issue would be dull even for those who like WHFB?

Its not that I don't have an interest in WFB but I thought the issue was devoid of content which I wanted to read or found of any interest. Yes I did read the Space Hulk Design Notes but despite the comments made in them I know SH is GW's best kept secret since the plastic Baneblade :rolleyes:

Jevis's Standard Bearer Column, which is one part of WD I always read, is a thinly veiled advert for a new WD feature. An idea which has been used in other gaming mags (eg No Quarter) for many years ie its not new.

The problem with WD is its content is dictated by products released that month. and there are no releases this month which interest me at all.

So in answer to your original question, no I do not think it would be dull for WHFB Players.

28-08-2009, 19:45
I liked this issue and also thought it was an improvment for me anyway on previous issues.

However there are a few areas I would like to make suggestions. For example

I read the designer notes for Space Hulk and would have liked to have seen the minatures section taking up a slightly bigger than one page article. The models really are very special for plastic and thought that along with the artwork deserved a little more space.

THe Azhag part was very poor. Some nice pics of a fantastic miniature and then a copy and paste from the Orcs and Goblins army book. This model had so much history it would have really been cool if the WD team had sat down with the designers and talked about why the model had taken so long to come out. Why and I really think it is a dramatic improvement on previous Wyverns due to its more characterful pose this caused them such large issues. Whether they would ever try to bring another model like this to the table and was the onyl reason we did eventualyl see somethign due to the amazing feedback on forums to the leaked photos.

I think the back of the WD is also as has been said before probably no longer suitable content for a magazine. Fixed list like this with events etc are far more suited to websites. i would rather see more reader content armies and the usual painting articles in the back here.

But as I said overall a better issue.

Finn Sourscowl
28-08-2009, 20:42
Gave it an 8. There was a surprising amount to read and I really enjoyed the battle report - if WD were to do more of these (i.e. bat reps between two non-GW staff with non studio armies), that would be fantastic!

SH notes were interesting (for a change) and there was much drooling over the new models. Nice to see some of the new Skaven models as well... I don't know whether the new clanrat models had been seen before, but that was the first time I'd seen them.

I even enjoyed the GD article... mainly 'cause this is the first year in almost 20 years of gaming that I'm able to go and so I'm rather excited about it :P

28-08-2009, 21:33
Gave it a 7, liked the Space Hulk stuff and the WH battle report stuff was good, had a lot to read, and like someone else said, no big pictures :).

Minimal lotr coverage, always a good thing, WD is better that White Hobbit :p

29-08-2009, 09:54
I gave it a 9, as I found very little wrong with it. For LotR players and perhaps WFB players the rating should be lower, but for me this was a near perfect WD.

Articles are diverse and interesting. We get 2 battle report which are both written better then I've seen in a long time (I knew what was going on), a painting guide that's sure to be used by many, some fun report and nice shots of armies we haven't seen a billion times before.
If I had to complain I thought the Space Hulk article could do a little less with the patting on the back for everyone involved. Yes, it's a beautiful box, but by saying it yourself you blow a lot of sympathy.

Anyway, I loved it, and I hope LotR is banished forever, purely thinking about my own interests :)

29-08-2009, 10:15
alright, now that i've actually had the time to read it..
for content this thing is great! it's got more in it than WD in the past year or so.. plenty of showcase articles for all things 40k and fantasy.
space hulk was no surprise as it's the biggest release they have this coming month. and the battle report was nice and thorough. still don't think it took away from anything else in the mag.
the battle report between the two joe schmoe's in the back was refreshing. it was nice to see a battle report between two non GW employee's and also seeing figures that weren't games-workshop figures in a games-workshop publication i thought was mildly amusing!
the painting article is well written and actually is the first one i'm ever going to actually try out myself because i love the way their space hulk board works color wise, so there ya go..
the lack of the lord of the rings section (even though i don't play) is the only reason i didn't give it a 10. also the section in the back for what you could direct order, i think thats a little dumb. it's nice to have that list or a list of the stores in the states, but i think its a little unnecessary.. but in the past i have actually used to the list of stores before, who knew!?

Hivefleet Kara'don
29-08-2009, 23:32
it was nice to see a battle report between two non GW employee's and also seeing figures that weren't games-workshop figures in a games-workshop publication i thought was mildly amusing!

Which ones were they? I must of missed them.

I gave it an 8. I really enjoyed the SH article and the Painting guide, and the battle report reminded me of those ones back in the day :)

30-08-2009, 03:51
i noticed the game zone shield on the conversion he used lokhir on, then i may be mistaken, but i thought that unit of warriors he has are game zone figs.. but they may be just old marauder warriors that i didn't recognize

30-08-2009, 11:14
O really liked this issue - that means more than perhaps the words suggest as I went as far as actually buying it, something I havent done with a Dwarf in several years

Both battle reports were readable, intelligible and had a decent amount of print vs piccies and best of all understandable maps, the articles were by and large good to OK

as others have said, really nice to see non studio armies and players too. Dump the lists at the back and add more of the above and I may consider a subscription again

31-08-2009, 05:31
I thrououghly enjoyed this issue. Definitively a step in the right direction - more battle reports and army features!

I thought one "Specialist Game"-report and one "Core game"-report was an excellent format, and it could probably be used in order to market both games to different types of players. The army features were really cool too, as it's highly inspiring to see how players all over the world have converted and painted their forces. THrow som dok butcha and eavy metal masterclass in there and you've got yourself a magazine!

01-09-2009, 06:45
I like it because i was in it! :)

For the record, all the figures in my dark elf army (including shields) were GW bits.

02-09-2009, 20:32
I havent bought a WD since getting back into the hobby however after hearing positive word of mouth I bought this one. I wasn't disappointed whilst some parts of WD were eminently skippable (eavy metal, buy stuff from us please) the Space hulk mission report was very well done (I found jervis comments really added something) the inclusion of a new scenario in standard bearer and a battle report nearly as good as one of mine ;) made it defintly not a regretted purchase. I even found the 40K stuff interesting and I don't play 40K.

8/10 with jervis the star of the show, followed by double Ben action.

Silent Tristero
02-09-2009, 21:30
Gave this a 9, never voted in one of these before, but felt somewhat compelled this month.

So nice to see both 40k and Warhammer feature a report each, if they could do this every month I'd be extremely satisfied with that alone - the quality and style of both reports is also great, and again I hope it continues.

I do remember a couple of other issues some time ago that would feature a specialist game report, and a 'core' one; would be nice to see this again but I don't really see them supporting the SG's to this extent.

Anyway, really good, especially for someone who has interest in both systems. If only it could be this way all the time, regardless of what's out that month. Can't see 2 reports being that much work, I mean journalists and staff for other magazines do so much stuff for research, testing and feature purposes, would squeezing 2 battle reports per month in really be that difficult?

07-09-2009, 12:59
There was far too much on Space Hulk, It didnt need that many pages.

Also there was hardly any modeling advice or articals. Would be nice if there was more of them.

07-09-2009, 15:58
I thought it had a very good balance of all bits and pieces - it is a pity that LOTR was left behind this time, but Fantasy is often left behind too - and the thing that annoys me is how few people have mentioned the battlefield challenge section!

Honestly, one of the coolest thing I've seen in WD in ages, a new scenario for Fantasy! It's awesome too, a real step in the right direction.


08-09-2009, 02:46
Gave it a 4, the new Clanrats were nice and all, but we had all already seen them three weeks ago. The rest was plain uninteresting, I just skimmed though it, and plopped it back onto the display stand.


Oooo I have a vision, I predict that Octobers WD will have nothing but SPACE WOLVES!!!!! /end sarcasm

08-09-2009, 20:43
The best issue in a long time!

Nice army showcases, nice doubles tourney report, good Space Hulk coverage and most of all... An aweseome battle report!

Yeah this is exactly the kind of battle report I want. One with battles that don't feel made up, and which feature players with their own armies. Not just the studio armies all the time.

Is it just me or doesnt White Dwarf have an email address? I'd like to give them feedback directly since they asked for it. But I can't find an emal address :P

Gave it a 4, the new Clanrats were nice and all, but we had all already seen them three weeks ago. The rest was plain uninteresting, I just skimmed though it, and plopped it back onto the display stand.


Oooo I have a vision, I predict that Octobers WD will have nothing but SPACE WOLVES!!!!! /end sarcasm

You know, White dwarfs are made 3 months in advance. The reason we've seen the clanrats before is because they were leaked from this White Dwarf before it was released.

09-09-2009, 11:44
I thought it was awesome. Rarely have I bothered to read an entire WD in one sitting (usually, I read the stuff that interests me, then toss it in to bathroom and skim through the rest when I'm sitting on my throne), but this was one of the rare genuinly good WD's. The Space Hulk report made me really want to get the game for myself, the painting bit was following the very good trend they have got going when it comes to those. The battle report, for all its touting of "tournament report!" was pretty much like I remember battle reports from the old. Neither army was as rock hard as I'd expected from the title, the maps were informative, and most importantly: They covered every round, instead of just getting lazy and summing up two and two rounds. That, combined with a simple scenario and reasonable points limits, made this stand out head and shoulders above what seems to be a disturbing tendency to try to make the most fruit bat crazy battle report in each and every issue. I remember when the Lizardmen got released and they had this loosely-defined 10000-points-a-side crazy scenario with Daemons popping up everywhere, and it had so much going on it was impossible to make out the action, let alone getting an impression on how the Lizardmen actually played! So this was a very, very welcome change of pace.

The Azhag article wasn't too long, the scenario actually looked interesting, and I'm very pleased to see the armies of more-or-less average gamers displayed, something I've missed.

So I gave it a 9.

09-09-2009, 13:48
Rated it a 6, could be better, but they have improved, their last few issues, have been rubbish

Oh as for the battle report, it was alright, but i thought they were spose to be tournament players, that dark elf list was shocking, wasnt even the best list majority of DE players would use at a tourn

Oh and since when can battle standard bearers take magic swords and talismans etc... if there going to show a battle report, at least make the army lists legal (correct me if i am wrong lol)

09-09-2009, 22:38
Have not had a chance to read it yet, not sure if other Canadians issues were this late or not, but first time the local GW had them on sale before I received my copy.

10-09-2009, 09:37
Oh and since when can battle standard bearers take magic swords and talismans etc... if there going to show a battle report, at least make the army lists legal (correct me if i am wrong lol)

If they don't take magic banners they can take any magic items they like.

I gave the issue a 9, I really enjoyed the battle report, it was great to see maps again, rather than pic heavy unclear battle reports of recent issues.

10-09-2009, 12:32
I can't rate it because I didn't read it >< . However I will post in this thread.

If you are going to buy Space Hulk this issue is great. Otherwise, same old same old.

EDIT: I agree that it is nice to see maps back in the report.

13-09-2009, 07:01
Oh as for the battle report, it was alright, but i thought they were spose to be tournament players, that dark elf list was shocking, wasnt even the best list majority of DE players would use at a tourn

Maybe it's a good thing to give less 'air time' to broken lists.

Haven't purchased WD this month, however, I did have a flick through it when I picked up Space Hulk. This issue certainly looks promising - the blocks of text seem to be getting larger and the font smaller. It's also fantastic to see the old style bet. rep. maps back - 'yay' for the little explosions on units that suffer casualties :P

I'll abstain from voting until I purchase it though.


Tanner MIrabel
16-09-2009, 11:50
Definitely enjoyed this issue. I liked all the Space Hulk stuff, I think for once a new release deserved the amount of space it was given! In particular the model shots very nearly made me buy it (But I don't need more Termies, especially Blood Angel ones. The Space Hulk battle-report was also good; you knew exactly what was going on and it was full of tactics and tips.

The same for the other battle report: it was exactly what we've been crying out for: clear maps, armies we've not seen before, tactics and tips, it was as good as the good old days. More like this please (though don't bother to present it as tournament-style - I don't think it was).

The rest of the mag had the usual good bits - standard bearer, painting masterclass etc.

21-09-2009, 13:50
My copy was sealed in plastic and came with a free BR Terminator and Ork sprue. Which was nice.

22-09-2009, 10:18
Are you sure you didnt mean last years september issue as they had those minis in the magazine for the relase of Black Reach.

Col. Frost
23-09-2009, 11:00
Since i last purchased a WD (my sub ending with Oct 08) i have to say i am pleased to see a shift in the right direction.

* More about the hobby in general
* Nice write up about Space Hulk, focus on models etc
* WHFB tournament section, non-GW employees armies featured for a change.
* Decent amount of balance between 40k, WHFB and LotR.

Overall, an large improvement and i hope the trend continues. They may get my hard earned cash for the magazine on a more regular basis if this continues.

23-09-2009, 15:30
A solid 8 from me, definitely the best WD in a while and i've thoroughly enjoyed reading it.

The Space Hulk focus was well done and the fact they did a battle report as well was gravy.

Not a Warhammer player at all but i've enjoyed the Orc vs Dark Elf battle report also. I think the reporting was a bit more candid and went into details nicely which always suffered previously when text was small and pictures large.

One thing a especially liked was the small boxed out comments on play, strategy etc in both BR's - i thought it was well done and added good value to the reports.

I found the coverage of the Doubles tournaments interesting and a good read and i'm sure that and the WFB report played well for those readers who do a lot of tournaments. For someone who doesn't both articles were made enjoyable reads so props for that.

Painting guide was great and will be using it shortly to paint my own SH models. I also appreciated the pricing list at the back. One thing about the website is that the 'discovery' of interesting things is hard if they're filed away somewhere, at least here you get a good idea of everything out there and a price to go along with.

@Daump: Yup i finally got mine on the 16th, not sure wth happened this month. Probably fallout from the move down south.

So overall this is definitely the best WD i've read in a long time, read it cover to cover even the stuff i don't game and enjoyed it all. If they keep things going this way it'd be fantastic, brought back memories of how WD was in the mid-90's.

25-09-2009, 10:10
Actually very enjoyable. I spent longer reading this issue than I have the previous 3 put together...

Space Hulk stuff, very nice, the bat rep was a welcome addition. The WFB report was good, especially as I know Ben J, form when he used to be a teenager in the Derby store. Also played him at a tournament (and lost narrowly). THese are the sorts of article that I want to read. I would say they also are accessible to newcomers too, and act as an inspiration too.

The rest was generally very good too. 8/10

29-09-2009, 17:17
This is a great issue :) My only complaint is the magazine was only delivered towards end of Sep. Again, it is a great issue to read. 9/10