View Full Version : How many dispell scrolls do you take.

23-09-2009, 21:59
Basically a friend of mine is interested in getting into fantasy (he plays exclusively 40k) but the idea of everyone having a ton of dispell scrolls throw him off. So I am curious to see how many people tend to take.

23-09-2009, 22:11
My current vampire list has 1. I rarely take scrolls in my armies because my vampires like spending their points on other things.

However I had a game today against a wood elf army with 4 in 2000pts.:eyebrows:

Part of it depends on how much magic you bring to the table in the first place. 1-2 level two wizards don't bring that much intrinsic magical defence so a couple or more may seem important.

23-09-2009, 22:32
I commonly play wood elves and dark elves at 2000pts and quite commonly have more than 2 scrolls. They are so useful to protect delicate units! I do mainly play daemons and vampire though so that might exlapin my outright terror of magic.

23-09-2009, 22:54
As a VC and TK player, my opponants usually bring 2-4 scrolls.

23-09-2009, 23:29
Usually 1-2 when I can fit them in, for those spells that you simply cannot allow. Frequently I run out of points for them, though.

23-09-2009, 23:29
At 2K, 2-4 scrolls.

24-09-2009, 00:06
At 2k with my Tomb Kings and Bretonnians, 1-2(also counting dispel scroll like items in that!)

24-09-2009, 00:23
I only ever use 1. Any more than that feels like a crutch.

24-09-2009, 00:36
Usually 0.

Occasionally I'll take whatever the maximum allowed amount is just to annoy my opponent. Scrolling every single spell your opponent casts and any bound items he has doesnt stop being funny untill about turn 4 when your starting to run out.

Tends to only be larger games I do that though, I dont need to bother with tactics at that size game and it's more a case of taking all my models in the same army.
The scrolls are usually there to fill points as I don't take many items.

24-09-2009, 00:56
I play WOC, and Lizardmen with moderate magic and Daemons with no magic. I've yet to equip a dispel scroll or ability on any character ever.

24-09-2009, 01:28
Unless I'm in a tourney I usually use none. This weekends a 3k Tourney and my BoCs will have 4...expect the absolute pooper and hope for the nice tinkle :D

24-09-2009, 03:06
With TK, I bring 1 and a Brooch of the Great Desert usually. I simply can't afford more, sadly.

24-09-2009, 04:03
I rarely take any dispell scrolls. I usually place all my points into offense, and I will be the first to admit it does not always work. I just usually feel more comfortable taking something I know I will use.

24-09-2009, 05:08
Usually, I rely on the Seal of Ghrond and Ring of Hotek for all my magic defense, so 0.

24-09-2009, 05:36
My (reasonably) magic heavy Warriors of Chaos army brings no scrolls at all and never has. :D

I figure that 5 Dispel Dice keeps my army reasonably safe most of the time, and at the last tournament I only met one army with anything more than a scroll caddie (he had three miscasting shamans and never got anything successfully cast) and so there was no reason to take any scrolls (which in any case are awfully dull).

The Red Scourge
24-09-2009, 05:46
My WoC and VC are far too busy to concern themselves with little pieces of paper. My WE has a habit of bringing one and totally forget about it or save it for some important point in the battle that never comes ;)

24-09-2009, 05:49
1 per thousand points, i find is a nice balance.

24-09-2009, 09:36
At 2000 points, whether it's Vamps, WoC's, Brets or Dwarfs with Rune of Spell Breaking, I wouldn't normally take more than 1 or 2. At 25 points each, they're not that cheap, and if no one got to cast anything the whole game, it would be boring as hell.

24-09-2009, 09:43
With my Ogres, I only took 1 scroll because I had so many other cool toys I wanted to take instead.

With my forthcoming Orc army I plan on only taking 1 scroll too, but more because greenskins have lots of magic defence available and lots of scrolls on top of that would not let me keep my friends...

24-09-2009, 09:58
I take 1, usually. Maybe 2 if i'm playing more than 2,000 points.

Only time i've ever come a cropper is playing against a 2,000 point lizardman force, but you learn to let certain spells through and rely on him failing to wound etc.

Or let that comet of cassandora through.

24-09-2009, 10:01
Depends what your main opponents are, im my local gw we've got a vast array, from Dwarfs with no magic to Skaven with 13PD and 2 bound spells. Of course, Ideally I'd take none against the Dwarfs and 3-4 against the Skaven. I find that a middleground of 1 (2 if I don't have any use for that 2nd 25 pts magical allowance) is decent enough. It also depends on the army you play, WEs for example suffer badly against magic (often not requiring LOS or rolling to hit), whereas Skaven probably wont care so much as the spells are soaked up by their masses.

24-09-2009, 11:17
Depends on the amount of other magic protection I have.

DE can get away with none due to the ring of hotek. Magic heavy WoC only really need 1 in combination with the puppet. TK generally have 2+, because the other items suck. WE really need 2 minimum and some other defences. OnG only need 0-2, because they have many other good magical defences.

24-09-2009, 11:30
Basically a friend of mine is interested in getting into fantasy (he plays exclusively 40k) but the idea of everyone having a ton of dispell scrolls throw him off. So I am curious to see how many people tend to take.

If your friend thinks of starting Vampire Counts or any other Magic-heavy army, then he should expect his opponents to bring as many Dispell Scrolls as they can field and a very strong magic defence.
On the other hand, he can always consider playing with dwarves and hope for his opponents to bring lots of scrolls:D

24-09-2009, 11:35
I voted for 3-5, most of the time I run 4 scrolls in a 2250 points army. I often play with magic light WoC against VC with Manfred and need every bit of protection I can get.


24-09-2009, 14:11
1 scroll if I have my own magic, 2 scrolls if I'm running a list with a caddy.

24-09-2009, 16:27
usually 2 or 3, but always depends what are you fighting, if you play vs dwarf you dont need any, but against HE, Skavens, Lizardmen, you will need some, if you are going vs VC or TK, then you dont need srolls, but try to gell all those artifacts that gives you extra dispel dice.

Desert Rain
24-09-2009, 17:43
1 per 1000 points is usually enough.

24-09-2009, 18:17
I usually bring 1-2 scrolls. Typically its 2 scrolls, or 1 scroll-spell distroyer (Seal of Distruction for Empire, for example) Ocassionally I will opt for more dice instead, taking the Rod of Power or some such if able instead.

24-09-2009, 18:59
In truth it depends on the army im using and its play style. Squishy slow movers get 3-4 or lots of DD(eg WE) while my fast lists get 1 at most. Its a rationale thing, you have to ask yourself:

How many spells will I really need to stop?

If your moving 12" a turn the answer is going to be less than if your not moving aggressively. There is also other factors to include, mainly character assassination. Sometimes i won't take any DS if i feel my list has enough wizard assassins.

Why spend 25pts to stop 1 spell, when for ~80pts i can kill him and stop them all.

TLDR~ id say 1-2 on average

24-09-2009, 19:31
In my main Bretonnian list, I dont really use magic at all. Obviously magic isn't the strongest point of a Bretonnian list, and I ignore it for random opponent games, instead preferring to play to certainties (theres never a garantee that my opponent will be using magic, so why spend points on something that may never get used?) Everything I put into my list will get used in some way, either as bait, war machine hunter, or speedbump. I do my best not to waste the points.

24-09-2009, 20:12
It depends on my army, in my 2 K WOC I'm taking one scroll, in my 1999 OnG's I didn't take any scrolls and let the DD do the job.

24-09-2009, 20:14
i generally take 1-3.

1 with my doc
2 with my de
3 with my skaven

24-09-2009, 20:54
Around 2-4 in 3k battles. In 15k battles around 20.

25-09-2009, 08:50
My Dark Elves don't believe in magic defense; two dispel dice, no scrolls.

Enough warm Elf bodies absorb enemy magic missile-ery, and other magic effects can be mitigated/negated by thinking hard enough. It's like sudoku or crossword puzzles; having Dispel scrolls/a safety net takes away from the process of sharpening your mind.

25-09-2009, 11:58
Mono-God Nurgle, so none :(

I would take one, maybe 2, if I could.

25-09-2009, 12:28
I usually only take one, but then again, I play LM and its the Cube of darkness, I leave the rest up to my DD.

25-09-2009, 12:30
My Dark Elves don't believe in magic defense; two dispel dice, no scrolls.

Enough warm Elf bodies absorb enemy magic missile-ery, and other magic effects can be mitigated/negated by thinking hard enough. It's like sudoku or crossword puzzles; having Dispel scrolls/a safety net takes away from the process of sharpening your mind.

So, no Ring of Hotek then?

25-09-2009, 13:13
So, no Ring of Hotek then?

No. I get lots of mileage, and considerable entertainment, out of opponents believing I have it though.

25-09-2009, 14:01
At least 1. Always, always take at least 1. Its just so useful for that one spell that you can't let through.

Lord Khabal
25-09-2009, 14:09
It depends on the levels of magic taken. If I take a caddy, 2 scrolls are mandatory. With 2 caddys I take 3-4 scrolls. If I take a wizard lord + 2lvl 2 I take 1. 5 - 6 dispel dice + scroll is enough for most games.

25-09-2009, 14:09
For me i take 1 scroll on every spell caster i take so in 1000 points 1 scroll in 2000 2 to 3 depending on my army. in 3k+ it depends on my army if it's my chaos then 2 to 3 if it's my LM then 4 to 5 ish << yes i know thats over kill but in my club there a lot of DE players that go Magic heavy. >.<

25-09-2009, 15:43
I never take any.

25-09-2009, 15:47
IMO it's kind of lame to stock up on them. I would rather use my points somewhere else.

25-09-2009, 15:49
None. Hasn't stopped me winning :)

25-09-2009, 15:49
Scroll caddies bore the hell out of me. I only usually end up with one in my standard army, if I'm not fighting a magic dependent force then I wont bother or change it for a power stone. However, against armies like Tomb Kings or Skaven, I think 2 is fair enough. Anymore than 2 in a 2000-2250 game is excessive.

25-09-2009, 17:43
Well I voted 1-2, then realised that all my recent lists for all my armies haven't taken any at all. I wouldn't exceed more than 1 per 1000 pts though. I need the points for infantry!

Dragon Prince of Caledor
26-09-2009, 16:00
I think people take more than two as a response to the fact that warhammer has become war magic phase. Most of the competitive lists I have seen are redonkulous on magic. I usually take two. With two scrolls a L4 spellcaster and a L2 with the High Elf +1 I am safe against most lists :S Against tomb kings... their stuff will go off so I try to pick and choose wisely :)

26-09-2009, 20:26
Depends on the army I bring and the type of game.

Daemons, skaven 0
With WoC and HE usually 1
WE at least 2, my list has 0 magic or magic defence except for 1-2 scroll caddies and WE dies really fast against magic. In a friendly game usually 1 scroll caddy in tournies maybe 2 ie 4 scrolls at 2k

27-09-2009, 02:20
Dispel scrolls? Zero. I hate and dispise one-use items. I take the staff of sorcery and the staff of sneaky stealing. They work on every enemy phase, and every dispell, much more efficient imho. And my ogres get owned by magic, what can I say, I suck with ogres, and that's true starting with army selection :p

27-09-2009, 07:22
I don't take any generally. My Dwarves get a lot of mileage out of a MRo balance, it works out more effective than 2 'dispel scrolls' over the course of a game.

My O&G take one every once in a while though.

27-09-2009, 07:52
uno 1 its more fun that way

27-09-2009, 19:33
one mostimes but started taking two i only play skaven and dwarfs at the mo
i use two now because warp lighting and plauge are a bitch

28-09-2009, 13:23
It depends on the army. I almost never take them with my vamps. They have enough dd that they don't usually need them and they have too many other great magic item choices.. In any other army all of my little casters almost always get 1 since their magic item choices suck.

28-09-2009, 13:32
2, more seems like a waste if u ran across and army with lil or no magic.