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magnificent*
26-09-2009, 23:12
Playing is not really a priority neither is following canon but I would like to make a vampire army with different races so I was wondering if this totally contradicts the background.

Dwarf models for a block of tough infantry and dark elf horsemen for fast scouts, and chaos knights with chaos symbols removed for heavy cavalry, I would convert them to make them look more like vampires, I have made some snacks for the horsemen (screaming peasants with their hands tied behind their backs that can be slung across the backs of the horses) , and their will be peasant prisoners in the centre of the dwarf unit.

My reasoning is that a vampire would turn some of his fast victims into vampires to have food catching specialists, and since the chained food can only move slowly you would turn captured dwarfes into guards for the food because their lack of speed is not a drawback.

spetswalshe
26-09-2009, 23:53
I don't think it is directly contradictory, but I do know that Dwarf blood isn't a popular beverage with the undead. Too gritty, I think, though I always get the impression such stone-related characteristics come from Old Worlder racism more than anything else ("Dwarf blood tastes like chalk! Wood Elves bleed sap! Orcs is just two goblins standing on top of each other! I know 'cause Old Hob down the Three Cats says so, and he's been as far as Nuln! He says they don't talk proper down there, either, they just sings it instead."). I believe there is some kind of reason why you don't get Elf or Dwarf vampires much - magic resistance, or resistance to Chaos-style corruption or something.

What rules were you planning on using for them? Because an actual unit of vampires seems a bit strong just for Grave Guard or what have you. Plus the Dwarfs M3 might be a hiccup - Undead rules obviously limit speed and the fact that they're Vampires should mean even Dwarfs could burn a bit of rubber (hobnails), but you'd still need to clear it with your opponent. Otherwise, it's a nice idea.

magnificent*
27-09-2009, 00:18
I was thinking that a unit of 10 vampire dwarves guarding 10 human prisoners would simply count as 20 grave guard, in all respects since the vampire dwarf is conviently twice a tough and twice as good at bashing things, the prisoners are there for decoration, their vampire blood makes them M4, and carrying prisoners gives the same movement restrictions as being a skeleton

lcfr
27-09-2009, 00:38
You'd probably be hard pressed to find more than a handful of vampiric dwarfs across the Warhammer world, and why would they fight together? Vampires aren't really the type to huddle together and fight as a group, they've always seemed to me more the skulky, loner types.

On the flipside, you do have Blood Knights so I suppose you could say that the unit of vampire dwarfs still retain some dwarfish sense of community, etc. and so stick together and fight together. They just don't have a preference for booze anymore :(

Urgat
27-09-2009, 01:40
According to Vampireslayer, yes they can. It's stated that vampires rarely turn dwarfs into vampires, so it means that it's rare, but it happens. There you go :p

Leogun_91
27-09-2009, 08:41
You'd probably be hard pressed to find more than a handful of vampiric dwarfs across the Warhammer world, and why would they fight together? Vampires aren't really the type to huddle together and fight as a group, they've always seemed to me more the skulky, loner types.But dwarfs however are, if there is ten vampiredwarfs in the oldworld one can almost guarantee that they find each other and co-operate due to their kinship.

Condottiere
27-09-2009, 08:48
Again, what's the process in Warhammer for achieving Vampirehood?

spetswalshe
27-09-2009, 15:49
The Blood Kiss isn't actually described, as far as I know, and it's suggested that it may be different for different vampires.

Read Night's Dark Masters last night - it says that vampires avoid turning Elves and Dwarfs due, basically, to snobbery. I suppose vampires and humanity are linked in a very deep way, so much so that were a Dwarf turned, other vampires might not actually consider him one of their kind, in much the same way a human nobleman doesn't consider a Dwarf nobleman his equal. Vampires are specifically linked with humans as their prey species - human blood tastes best, apparently - they're all former humans, and have fought to protect humanity several times. I guess they just see humanity as a whole, rather than the Empire/Bretonnia/Kislev divide.

skavenSte
27-09-2009, 16:17
it all boils down to the fact that human/dwarf/elf blood is different. vampires were made of human gene stock and so vampirism can only affect humans. the fact that vampires don't bite other races is not being disputed but those that do get bitten will never become true vampires unless they're human.
vampires will only bite other races out of shear desperation of the need for the plasma in blood cells, hence they may even resort to feeding on animals, and in doing so they will inevitably kill their prey.
only a lucky-or unlucky, depending on your point of view- few will be given the blood kiss which involves the prey drinking on the blood of the vampire whilst the vampire drinks of the blood of the victim. its normally done wrist to wrist.

Condottiere
27-09-2009, 16:19
Do the Strigoi pass on Vampirism to other animals, such as, say, bunnies?

skavenSte
27-09-2009, 16:36
[QUOTE]Do the Strigoi pass on Vampirism to other animals, such as, say, bunnies?[QUOTE]


unfortunatly, Condottiere, all the vampires have seen the movie "monty python and the holy grail" and so make sure that any animal they drink from stays dead unless resurected by a raise dead spell. i think the movie scared them a bit, sorry to disappoint.:cheese:

MontytheMighty
27-09-2009, 17:29
I'd venture a "no" since I think if they dwarves could become vamps they're would have been some dwarf vamps by now in the fluff, I think vampirism is limited to humans (I don't think chaos warriors count as human anymore)

also I think there aren't any chaos vampires and other such combinations for a reason, either they'd be overpowered or GW doesn't want too many factions

Urgat
27-09-2009, 18:48
it all boils down to the fact that human/dwarf/elf blood is different. vampires were made of human gene stock and so vampirism can only affect humans. the fact that vampires don't bite other races is not being disputed but those that do get bitten will never become true vampires unless they're human.


I'd venture a "no" since I think if they dwarves could become vamps they're would have been some dwarf vamps by now in the fluff, I think vampirism is limited to humans (I don't think chaos warriors count as human anymore)

I know it's common practice to happily post while ignoring the others, and I don't like much repeating myself, but Bill King (You know, Bill King? Gotrek and Felix?) seems to disagree with you, and I'd be inclined to believe him more than the both of you :p
So he clearly, bluntly wrote that dwarf vampires are rare, so therefore, they exist. And yeah, he also says that dwarv blood tastes like stone and isn't really good, and there's something in it that makes the blood kiss often (note: "often", not "always") fail.

AndrewGPaul
27-09-2009, 23:33
One of the older short stories, possibly Red Thirst, mentions a dwarf vampire. There's further mention in one of Jack Yeovil's novels, I think.

skavenSte
28-09-2009, 11:10
Are you sure thay were dwarf's and not midgets with beards?

Condottiere
28-09-2009, 11:14
Is there an actual difference?

skavenSte
28-09-2009, 12:23
Is there an actual difference?

Apparently its in the feet. dwarfs wear boots, midgets can't find any to fit.:eek:

Trimmey
28-09-2009, 16:00
I would be inclined to say no myself, for several reasons.

Firstly most people don't consider any black library novels to be strictly canon as the authors are always given a fair amount of liberty in what they do with the background.

Secondly the fact that the dwarfs are inherently resistant to magic would imply that the process was impossible. Remember that Vampirism is not really a mundane virus in this setting, if it is a virus at all. While we can see in the Chaos Dwarfs that this resistance can be overcome, as they have sorcerers, they do suffer the severe side effect of slowly turning into stone. Therefore it seems likely that dwarf vampires would recieve a similar side effect, although it would occur much more quickly as vampires are effectively always channeling dark magic, not just when they want to cast a spell.

Thirdly due to a dwarf's stubborn nature and intolerance of anything remotely chaotic, dark or unnatural I would imagine that 99.9% of dwarfs would immediately commit suicide if they DID become vampires.

Fourthly vampires only reward the blood kiss to those they have a close personel relationship with, which is very unlikely if the dwarf is even vaguely aware of the Vampire's condition.

However I have to say that this isn't the biggest background problem with your army. The main problem I can see is that you seriously oversetimate the amount of vampires there are in the entire Warhammer world. Although there is now one whole unit of them in the bloodknights I imagine that you would see such a unit even more rarely than you would see a steamtank on the battlefield in an empire army. (Of course this doesn't stop everyone and thier dog from feilding them in all of thier army lists.)

Of course with that said if you like this army idea then please feel free to completely ignore me and do it anyway. ;)

Condottiere
28-09-2009, 16:10
I foresee the coming of Halfdan the Vampire Slayer.

Halfdan - Dwarf who takes Slayer vows after becoming a Vampire.

spetswalshe
28-09-2009, 16:23
I think it states that Dwarfs are mentally incapable of commiting suicide, though. Hence why they have the Slayer Oath. I'd also argue the point about most people not considering BL canon, but sometimes I truly wish that was true.

I think one reason why they're rare might be the whole personal-relationship thing. It's not really a case that a victim who escapes gets turned - I don't think the Blood Kiss can actually happen by accident. And Dwarfs tend not to chummy up with the undead in the same way humans do. I could see a few Chaos Dwarf vampires creeping about, but most Dwarfs would happily stake anyone who turned out to be one of the living dead.


I know it's common practice to happily post while ignoring the others

Dude you're not allowed to say it out loud, people might feel the need to reply and that breaks the magic where the only posts that matter are the OP and the one you've just written.

Urgat
28-09-2009, 17:23
Don't worry, the guy two posts above proved it won't happen. Oh, but I suppose he covered this with the bit about BL books not being canon. Shame all the G&F characters made it into the game, though :p (Thanquol made it into an army book, even).

artyboy
29-09-2009, 14:30
It's your army. Do what you want. As long as the bases are the correct size and you make it explicitly clear what the unit is before the game begins I seriously doubt that anyone would argue. If some ********* refuses to play you because he doesn't like your conversion then you know that you wouldn't want to play him in the first place. It sounds like a pretty cool idea to me.

CuriousDaemon
29-09-2009, 20:44
Interesting question.

grumbaki
29-09-2009, 21:06
I foresee the coming of Halfdan the Vampire Slayer.

Halfdan - Dwarf who takes Slayer vows after becoming a Vampire.

I like it. Halfdan the Vampire Slayer. Defeated in combat by a Blood Dragon, the vampire, respecting the dwarf's skill, turns him into a vampire. He takes the slayer oath.

He leads an army of resurected goblins and skaven through the depths of a ruined hold. And perhaps the army could have a unit of converted dwarfs to act as tomb guard?

It would be a very interesting theme for an army for anyone with the time/inclination to make zombie skaven and goblins. I think it was in the 2002 warhammer chronicals, or somesuch, they even showed how to make an undead goblin using a combination of goblin and chaos sprues. The only problem is that it would be hard to justify having other vampires in the army.

Leogun_91
30-09-2009, 06:06
The only problem is that it would be hard to justify having other vampires in the army.Etheral ones could be ancestor spirits or something, and you can play a VC army with only one vamp even though it isnīt that competative.

Condottiere
30-09-2009, 06:27
While CDs do acquire magic powers, can Dwarves cast Necromancy spells?

Griffindale
30-09-2009, 06:41
Vampirism would be the ultimate kind of damnation for a slayer. Unable to die, unable to attone for their sin.

AndrewGPaul
30-09-2009, 07:33
Are you sure thay were dwarf's and not midgets with beards?


That was in Drachenfels, not Red Thirst. No, it was a dwarf.

grumbaki
30-09-2009, 14:41
While CDs do acquire magic powers, can Dwarves cast Necromancy spells?

In previous editions dwarfs could cast spells, just not very well. I'd assume that they could cast necromatic spells as well.

A different idea could be this: A runesmith goes mad and creates the rune of binding. By scratching the rune into the skull of a dead creature the corpse comes to life. He, along with his apprentices go deep beneath their hold and start bringing back to life the bodies of their foes to defend the hold. Not trusting this they are banished. They go into exile deep beneath Karak Eight Peaks. There they continue their research with special help from warpstone found in the wells tainted by the skaven when the great hold fell. Their exile and the warpstone lead to madness as they become obsessed with freeing the great hold of all who would desecrate it. The tombs of their ancestors are broken open and their bodies too join their growing horde. In a move of complete heresy they even call back the spirits of the dead dwarfs to fight as spirit hosts and wraiths in the misguided belief that their ancestors would welcome the chance to free their hold. Word soons to spread about a new threat beneath the ruined hold. If the rumors are to believed the undead host is no longer satisfied with fighting beneath the hold, but is even taking the war to the surface.

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So there we go. The corrupted runesmiths are the vampires, undead dwarf heroes are the wight lords. Dead dwarfs are tomb guard, wraiths and spirit hosts, while dead greenskins/skaven are zombies/skeletons. Throw in some normal skeletons/zombies to represent tomb robbers who were killed. :evilgrin:

Urgat
01-10-2009, 03:29
While CDs do acquire magic powers, can Dwarves cast Necromancy spells?

Regardless of wether they can or not, would they? Being turned vampire against the dwarfs will is one thing, using necromancy willingly is another. He would probably refuse to drink human/dwarf blood, and have to hunt animals... I can't see dwarfs being anything like what we picture for a vampire, certainly not a mini Carstein, at least.

inq.serge
01-10-2009, 08:16
AFAIK,
• vampirism in WFB is magic.
• No-one becomes a vampire, they just die, and a dark "Predator" eats the soul, gaining some of the personality and memories, and possesses the body. (Was written in the Neferata the First Vampire background) So, no, in WFB, A vampire isn't whom he was as non-vampire, he is a new person in the same body who reminds of the bodys pervious owner.
• Dwarfs have some kind of magic resistance, and I've heard (unsure if it's true) that it sits in the beard. And I've also heard that the beard is growing from the skull and not from the skin, but I'm unsure if that's true.
• It is described that the blood kiss (at least when Neferata gives it), is given by the vampire first bitting a lip or even her own tongue, making it bleed, and than kisses the victim (which drinks the blood). Back in 6ed, Neferata could do this in game, once per game. (turning one man-sized character into a vampire thrall).
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Probably, there are vampires of both elves, beastmen and dwarves. Maybe halflings, but that would be too cool. Ogres and lizzies and greenskins and gnobblars, I'm unsure.

Memnos
01-10-2009, 08:21
Oh my gosh, if this Dwarf thing is true, it means most likely any humanoid race can be changed.

If I were a Vampire, I'd change Rat Ogres in to Vampires and then just let them run free: Hilarious, entertaining AND fun.

RobC
01-10-2009, 10:15
AFAIK,
• No-one becomes a vampire, they just die, and a dark "Predator" eats the soul, gaining some of the personality and memories, and possesses the body. (Was written in the Neferata the First Vampire background) So, no, in WFB, A vampire isn't whom he was as non-vampire, he is a new person in the same body who reminds of the bodys pervious owner.Sorry, but this sounds incorrect. Which book are you referring to?

AndrewGPaul
01-10-2009, 10:21
• Dwarfs have some kind of magic resistance, and I've heard (unsure if it's true) that it sits in the beard. And I've also heard that the beard is growing from the skull and not from the skin, but I'm unsure if that's true.


:D :D :D

Whoever told you this was pulling your leg, and you fell for it. Dwarves do indeed have a resistance to magic and the effects of Chaos (represented in-game by getting 2 additional dice in their dispell pool), but nothing to my knowledge ever said it was a function of their beard.

As to beards growing from your skull, Google "hair follicles" and you'll see that's silly too.

There are a couple of undead dwarf models which retain their beards - that's probably more down to the beard being attached to some remaining flesh still attached to the skull.

Condottiere
01-10-2009, 10:35
Beards are very important to Dwarves - you couldn't recognize a Dwarf without one, and without one, Dwarves don't want to be recognized.

A good looking and nicely groomed beard is an indication of their health, pride and financial well being.

inq.serge
01-10-2009, 10:36
Sorry, but this sounds incorrect. Which book are you referring to?

The old GW website had this story about the origins of vampires, which described that when neferata drank the potion that would turn her into a vampire, she died, and saw many "dark predators" come after her. Her soul tried to defend herself, and fought off them, but finally, one defeated her, ate her soul or something, kind of merged with her personality and mind, and possessed and reanimated the body.

Sounds reasonably for me, since that's what happens in the original vampire folklore. "Turning into an vampie, and stil be you" is something "newly" invented to make more interesting backstories, give more humanity to the vampires, and make more romantic stories.

RobC
01-10-2009, 12:18
The problem with this story is that it doesn't fit with what we know about the original vampires, and Nagash's potion. More recent background states that vampires derive their power from the fact their souls are completely bound with their bodies; in effect they're utterly separate from the warp.

I have a vague recollection that Space McQuirk's background often strayed from established material; wasn't he responsible for the article that said the Norse were raiding Ulthuan several millennia before humans even lived in the Old World? This sound suspiciously like him.

Condottiere
01-10-2009, 12:35
It also runs counter to most perceptions of Vampirism. It smacks of Daemonic possession.

inq.serge
01-10-2009, 14:36
Well, the story said that Neferata made the potion using recipes from Nagashs books.

@ condottiere: According to the more esoteric vampire lore, vampires are daemonlike creatures who possess the bodies of the dead. They aren't daemons, but are from hell, and are "made of" fire, just like daemons/angels, unlike humans who are "Made of" earth (that's why you say "from dust you came, to dust you shall return" / "Earth you are, and to earth you shall return" at funerals.) Vampires are however not as mighty as daemons, and cannot manifest without possession. And I believe that GW looked up Esoterica like this when making the vampire background, which I think is good.

Back @ RobC; unfortunately, GW might have changed the background. They tend to do that.

RobC
01-10-2009, 16:03
Inq.Serge: I think this is an example of GW changing the background, then realising the original background made more sense and reverting to it. There's little beside the piece you mention that fits with the 'daemon-possessed' background.

Lord Zarkov
01-10-2009, 16:04
That exerpert was the old Space McQuirk one IIRC, and from what I remember after Neferata gets attacked by the 'predators' she gets sucked back into her body.
Pre Liber Necris I took that for her+daemon in her body (Anne Rice style), but given the current background it could be taken to describe the process of your soul being removed from the warp and bound into your body while fully concious.
Given that she was a spell caster even pre vampirism her soul was probably being attacked by daemons anyway.

RobC
01-10-2009, 16:07
It's at this point we break out the pentagram and summoning spells for GavT, Bubble Ghost and MvS...

Jomblic
01-10-2009, 22:09
Well either way the idea sounds cool and adds variety to a VC army. And with the proper convertions/usage of GW materials in your convertions (and not including any special characters b/c they obviously aren't dwarves) you can get away with it at pretty much all tournaments by the convertion rules. As someone before me stated if anyone gives you **** over them then you obviously don't want to play them anyways. As an added bonus if you're at a tourny and that happens and the TO was ok with your army and a guy refused to play it then the likelyhood is that he/she'd be counted as forfieting and you'd get max points! :D Good luck with your army and I personally would like to see it through its progress. You've even inspired me to do something with conversions, just not sure what yet!

Gekiganger
01-10-2009, 22:27
I find it hard to see Dwarven Vampires grouping together - if anything I'd expect they'd kill each other out of disgrace since suicide isn't an option, I presume Vampirism is on par with siding with Chaos on a dwarves eyes. I also doubt they would be able to use magic even if they wanted to - CD's can due to their exposure to the collosal roaming magic when the gates broke no? I doubt vampirism can rival that.

The idea on the other hand, would be fun. Ignoring a few bits of background aint that big a crime if the result is something suitably fancy looking. The only input I'd have on the units is if it was a unit of 20 GG made from humans a dwarves, perhaps a 6 / 14 ratio would be better?

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Just looks more like they're being guarded if the flanks are covered, if it's being done due to possessing x models of dwarves and y of humans then fair enough though.

magnificent*
02-10-2009, 10:46
Thanks gekiganger ,
I will buy some empire infantry because their pants clearly say "I'm a bitch" , For the dwarves I will play around with my battle for skull pass dwarves

Urgat
02-10-2009, 19:27
Oh my gosh, if this Dwarf thing is true, it means most likely any humanoid race can be changed.

If I were a Vampire, I'd change Rat Ogres in to Vampires and then just let them run free: Hilarious, entertaining AND fun.

Provided you're willing to kiss a rat ogre, of course.

Condottiere
03-10-2009, 00:44
Alcohol blurs memories.

MagosHereticus
03-10-2009, 14:29
Again, what's the process in Warhammer for achieving Vampirehood?

drinking anything which contains even the weakest most dilute trace of nagashs elixir of life, however the strength of the new vampire will depend on the strength of the elixir it has consumed, hence every generation of vampire being weaker (although a vampire can apparently increase its strength by consuming the blood of other vampires and/or drawing in dark magic directly into its soul)

Condottiere
03-10-2009, 15:00
Sounds remarkably like V:TM.

Leogun_91
03-10-2009, 21:03
(although a vampire can apparently increase its strength by consuming the blood of other vampires and/or drawing in dark magic directly into its soul)dragon blood is also very potent and it might increase the strenght of a vmpire (unknown though we do know that it quenches their thirst forever)

Condottiere
04-10-2009, 02:38
That would probably be the case with blod from most mystic creatures, including phoenixes, unicorns and mermaids.

Gaargod
16-10-2009, 18:11
Obviously, dragon blood does make one immune to the thirst, but whether it increases strength...

Abhorash is insanely powerful, but he was before he took the dragon blood. The only other example is another vampire book (maybe called Blood of the Dragon?) where a blood dragon drank blood from a dragon, and was rather pleased about it. Right up until the moment the still living dragon swatted him.

Phoenix blood might have the same qualities (that's assuming phoenixes actually have blood, their fluff is confused...), as might any other exceptionally mystical creatures - unicorns, i would have thought not, but, say, Kurnous' stag would.

Grimstonefire
18-10-2009, 22:56
Just to point out here that not all dwarfs strictly follow the honour/ slayer oath rules. They are all individuals.

I could imagine immortality would be appealing to some Dwarfs. Aside from the whole never dying thing they would have all eternity to exact vengeance for grudges.

The Vampireslayer Vampire sounds cool. :)

redshylock
19-10-2009, 03:04
Obviously, dragon blood does make one immune to the thirst, but whether it increases strength...

Abhorash is insanely powerful, but he was before he took the dragon blood. The only other example is another vampire book (maybe called Blood of the Dragon?) where a blood dragon drank blood from a dragon, and was rather pleased about it. Right up until the moment the still living dragon swatted him.

Phoenix blood might have the same qualities (that's assuming phoenixes actually have blood, their fluff is confused...), as might any other exceptionally mystical creatures - unicorns, i would have thought not, but, say, Kurnous' stag would.

I believe it was said that only after Zacharias the Everliving drain all the blood of a black dragon he is able to defeat Melkhior.

Lord-Caerolion
19-10-2009, 08:36
I'm not sure Dwarves turned into Vampires would last very long. After all, the dwarves have an innate resistance to magic, so much so that those Chaos Dwarfs that use magic gradually get turned into stone.
Now, seeing as vampires can't help but use Dhar to keep themselves "alive", I think most dwarf vampires would end up as statues before too long.

kardar233
20-10-2009, 02:07
There was a big discussion of this type of stuff of Carpe Noctem, so I'll give you the basic summary:

The Races created or modified by the Old Ones, being Lizardmen (of all types), Dwarfs, and Elves (all kinds except possibly Druchii) are definitely immune, possibly because of a large amount of High Magic in their bodies from their creation or modification. One of these races given the Blood Kiss will simply die when it is completed. This can be circumvented, but it generally requires a natural removal of the High Magic content, which can't really be done manually as it will, again, kill the being. For example, one of my characters, a Vampiric Saurus, had already died once before being turned, and therefore had that High Magic removed.

Other Races, such as Beastmen (theoretically), Skaven, Ogres, Orcs etc. are theoretically fair game.

outbreak
20-10-2009, 03:44
I'd imagine a dwarf waking up to find he is a vampire then taking a slayer oath and becoming an awesome vampire slayer trying to die an honourable death

Condottiere
20-10-2009, 04:38
Disagreeing with a Vampire Dwarf using the dismissive, "Bite me," should be reconsidered.

kardar233
20-10-2009, 05:16
How about a Snotling Vampire....

A horde of shambling dead are moving slowly towards you; you look for the Vampire that's holding it all together so you have a chance to survive. You don't see him; it's too late. He's sucking at your knees! :D

Urgat
20-10-2009, 23:06
Just to point out here that not all dwarfs strictly follow the honour/ slayer oath rules. They are all individuals.

I could imagine immortality would be appealing to some Dwarfs. Aside from the whole never dying thing they would have all eternity to exact vengeance for grudges.

The Vampireslayer Vampire sounds cool. :)

Her... Stuntie Blade?


There was a big discussion of this type of stuff of Carpe Noctem, so I'll give you the basic summary:

The Races created or modified by the Old Ones, being Lizardmen (of all types), Dwarfs, and Elves (all kinds except possibly Druchii) are definitely immune, possibly because of a large amount of High Magic in their bodies from their creation or modification. One of these races given the Blood Kiss will simply die when it is completed. This can be circumvented, but it generally requires a natural removal of the High Magic content, which can't really be done manually as it will, again, kill the being. For example, one of my characters, a Vampiric Saurus, had already died once before being turned, and therefore had that High Magic removed.

Other Races, such as Beastmen (theoretically), Skaven, Ogres, Orcs etc. are theoretically fair game.

Of course, this completly disregards the fact that humans, or ogres for that matter, have been tempered with by the Ancients too, and that Vampire Slayer, as I keep repeating, aknowledges the existence of vampire dwarfs. So, to make things short, those Carpe Noctum dudes are, well, completly wrong.

Side note, I love to think that if either Aborash or Zacharias had lost, and been eaten, there'd be a dragon that has drunk much vampirish blood out there... You wanted a nasty vampire?
So in short, I like to think that pretty much everything is possible in Warhammer, as long as it's badass :)

kardar233
21-10-2009, 03:13
Of course, this completly disregards the fact that humans, or ogres for that matter, have been tempered with by the Ancients too, and that Vampire Slayer, as I keep repeating, aknowledges the existence of vampire dwarfs. So, to make things short, those Carpe Noctum dudes are, well, completly wrong.

I was unaware that Humans had been tampered with by the Old Ones; the fluff I've read states that they evolved naturally from the time the Old Ones arrived.

Not sure about Ogres however.

Black Library takes liberties with a lot of fluff; that's why when established fluff contradicts it I go with the directly-GW stuff. Most Vampire information is drawn from Night's Dark Masters.

It is, however, possible to have a Vampiric Dwarf; it would have to have a decent justification as the Blood Kiss would not work properly.

The original thread is here: http://vampirecounts.net/showthread.php?tid=791

Urgat
21-10-2009, 12:44
BL does take liberties indeed, but concerning king and Stroke books, since everything "****slayer" gets into the game (from Gotrek to Thanquol), I regard it as canon. Ogres are the opposite test to halflings, I don't remember what they did with humans, though, to be honest.

Grimstonefire
23-10-2009, 17:54
Side note, I love to think that if either Aborash or Zacharias had lost, and been eaten, there'd be a dragon that has drunk much vampirish blood out there... You wanted a nasty vampire?
So in short, I like to think that pretty much everything is possible in Warhammer, as long as it's badass :)

I never understood the idea of drinking blood somehow turning you into a vampire. Is it something that cannot be broken down by stomach acid? Or does the change happen before then? I would think a troll that ate a vampire would be immune.

Transfer of blood/ vampire bite makes more sense to me.

An ogre vampire (vampire butcher) would be awesome though. Much quicker than a regular ogre, probably a lot stronger too. I don't know how good they'd be at dark magic though?

kardar233
23-10-2009, 18:25
Well, the Blood Kiss is explained that all of the (little) blood in the Vampire's body is not only blood, but contains a watered-down version of the Elixir of Life; so, essentially, when you give someone the Blood Kiss, you basically are giving them a little bit of Neferata's original Elixir.

Urgat
24-10-2009, 22:55
I never understood the idea of drinking blood somehow turning you into a vampire. Is it something that cannot be broken down by stomach acid? Or does the change happen before then? I would think a troll that ate a vampire would be immune.

I trust that when you take medicine, it's not broken down by your stomach? Or think of food poisoning. Think that it works the same for vamps blood and you won't bang your head on odd questions :)
I've always hated the "you're bitten, you're a vamp" approach, such method would make humans extinct in a matter of years, really.

Grimstonefire
24-10-2009, 23:15
Let me rephrase that a little then. ;)

If you drank vampire blood then threw up shortly afterwards would you still turn into a vampire? I.e. it never hits the intestine where it would get absorbed into the blood.

Or is this one of those 'it's magic, and that's all you need to know' situations...

Urgat
25-10-2009, 03:05
It could be really virulent (it probably is). Many poisons are lethal upon direct ingestion, and throwing up right away wouldn't save you. I assume something like the elixir of life is something very powerful indeed. As we're discussing unlife (undeath?) and vampirism, I find it amusing that you get stuck on something that is not unheard of at all in our own, boring real world :)

junglesnake
25-10-2009, 13:44
I can see this being ok with standered undead or zombies but not Vampires.

As others have said Vampires don't like to hang out in hordes as they would be easier to find. Blade depicts modern vampires doing it but we are in the warhammer world and its less likely.