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BigbyWolf
04-01-2010, 14:53
I'm currently looking to convert another Chaos Dragon, and I'm just wondering which (if any) of the standard dragon models come in metal?

I've currently already got the legendary Baudros (all Nurgled up), and as I prefer a nice big weighty model for my centrepieces, I want another metal one to accompany him.

I really (really) don't like the plastic High Elf one, and I think Galrauch is pretty pants too, so they're out of the equation. The only other one my local Indy stockist has is Malekeith, and that's plastic.

A long time ago I had Beastlord Rakraths dragon, which was metal...does anyone know if that is still the case, or which other ones may be metal?

xragg
04-01-2010, 16:17
The green dragon is metal except for the wings.

Lord Malorne
04-01-2010, 16:19
Wood elf one is still metal, the last ed High Elf one was metal, also look at other manufacturers for dragons, Reaper sell an amazing dragon model that makes all the ones you have said look like metal lumps of crap. Though be careful, as Reaper also sell a lot of crap ones aswell.

Here. (http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/dragon/latest/02549)
And here. (http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/dragon/latest/03000)

Lord Malorne

Khorneguy
04-01-2010, 16:25
I thought Malekiths dragon was metal

hmmmm... will have to look into this

BigbyWolf
04-01-2010, 17:29
I thought Malekiths dragon was metal

hmmmm... will have to look into this

I shook the box, and can confirm it is plastic.

Lord Malorne/ xragg- I'd forgotten about the Wood Elf one, its the Sisters of Twilight model, isn't it? As for the old H.Elf one, was that Imrik?

I've looked at a few different companies, but the problem is that I do enter comps/ tournys every now and then, so would prefer something that I can guarantee will be allowed in.

Is the Zombie Dragon metal? If it is I could always de-nurglify Baudros and paint up the Zombie one as a Nurgle dragon (I have multiple Wyverns so that's where the spare head is coming from).

Lord Malorne
04-01-2010, 17:48
I would be shocked if they would not allow the amazing-ness that is those dragons to enter, Golden Daemon has non GW dragon in it ;), and when you consider that the chaos dragon has no real offical model now (gaulrauch can be argues, but he is a SC IMO) then it should be allowed.

Zombie dragon is indeed metal.

Lord Malorne

Agoz
04-01-2010, 17:57
malekith's dragon is part metal, part plastic, I believe.

Freman Bloodglaive
04-01-2010, 18:54
It's probably Asarnil's model with metal jaws and claws.

Asarnil's dragon was from the old Talisman game I think.

Lord Malorne
04-01-2010, 19:02
No, asarnil was metal, the malekith one is the last ed HE one, I am pretty sure it is metal and the wings are plastic, I may well be wrong.

Lord Malorne

xragg
04-01-2010, 21:43
The zombie dragon has been plastic for years. I would guess it was probally the first dragon to be made plastic.

Lord Zarkov
04-01-2010, 22:26
No, asarnil was metal, the malekith one is the last ed HE one, I am pretty sure it is metal and the wings are plastic, I may well be wrong.

Lord Malorne

Asarnil was metal, but his dragon was plastic (the generic wfb one), I have him lying around somewhere. Both Malekith's Dragon and the 6th Ed HE Dragon were that plastic dragon with metal head, tail and claws.

Current Metal Dragons:
Beastlord Rakarth's Dragon (plastic wings, otherwise all metal)
All O&G Wyvans (plasting wings also)
Zacharius' Zombie Dragon (again plastic wings, dunno what zombie dragon xragg's going on about but that's always been metal, as was the 4th/5th ed one)
Gaulrach
Wood Elf Forest Dragon (plastic wings as usual)

Unuhexium
04-01-2010, 22:53
It seems like GW has one set of wings to all their dragon/manticore models. Can anyone confirm or deny this? I'm basing my guess on that the pair of wings on their website fit perfectly on Egrimm van Horstman's dragon that I found in a scrapbox at my local dealer. The kit had been robbed for wings and arms so I bought new wings and sculpted arms.

xragg
04-01-2010, 23:41
The what was this guy? It is definatively all plastic and an older model. It was my friends old zombie dragon, or at least thats what he used it as. After digging it out of storage, I notice it may just be another dragon mounted with a vampire and painted zombie-ish.

Edit: and yes, most of their dragons/manticores use the same wings (like the ones in my pic) which can be bought seperately for conversion purposes. The newer HE dragon has different wings though, which are much wider and in an extended pose.

Freman Bloodglaive
05-01-2010, 01:44
It's the generic plastic dragon with a Vampire stuck on top of it.

Lord Malorne
05-01-2010, 03:35
Asarnil was metal, but his dragon was plastic (the generic wfb one), I have him lying around somewhere. Both Malekith's Dragon and the 6th Ed HE Dragon were that plastic dragon with metal head, tail and claws.

Current Metal Dragons:
Beastlord Rakarth's Dragon (plastic wings, otherwise all metal)
All O&G Wyvans (plasting wings also)
Zacharius' Zombie Dragon (again plastic wings, dunno what zombie dragon xragg's going on about but that's always been metal, as was the 4th/5th ed one)
Gaulrach
Wood Elf Forest Dragon (plastic wings as usual)

Asarnil, I had him, he was on the old metal HE dragon model, skinny thing, imrik had a plastic HE dragon and then this new flying HE dragon.

Lord Malorne

The Custodian
05-01-2010, 03:58
The zombie dragon is a hybrid model, metal body with plastic wigns... HOWEVER, if you look in the bitz section metal zombie dragon wigns are available... I have no idea if they work with the Zach dragon but *shrugs*

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat50045&prodId=prod1160011

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1040027&prodId=prod1140265

Lord Zarkov
05-01-2010, 12:23
Asarnil, I had him, he was on the old metal HE dragon model, skinny thing, imrik had a plastic HE dragon and then this new flying HE dragon.

Lord Malorne
Maybe they did two issues of him then, becaue the one I have definitely came with a plastic dragon (the generic WFB one in fact) and a metal saddle designed to fit said plastic dragon.
Or prehaps you're confusing him with the 4th/5th Ed HE model (also Imrik IIRC).

6th Ed Imrik was plastic yes, but had a metal head and hands and tail, compare pictures of it with the picter Xragg posted (which is the fully plastic one)


Edit:
If you're going GW there are more metal dragons here: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1300199&rootCatGameStyle=
missed that on my first list.

dangermouse425
05-01-2010, 13:07
I've got the old Imrik model, still NIB, the dragon is fully metal.

IIRC it's the 5th Ed? I think 6th Ed was the plastic/metal combo and I don't know the composition of the current one.

Urgat
05-01-2010, 13:25
Asarnil, I had him, he was on the old metal HE dragon model, skinny thing, imrik had a plastic HE dragon and then this new flying HE dragon.

Lord Malorne

That was the other way around, honest (speaking original 5th ed ones). Asarnil's dragon was definitively plastic.

Bloodknight
05-01-2010, 13:30
Maybe they did two issues of him then, becaue the one I have definitely came with a plastic dragon (the generic WFB one in fact) and a metal saddle designed to fit said plastic dragon.

I haven't yet seen an Asarnil on a metal dragon, My Asarnil rides on the generic plastic WFB dragon, too, like that Vampire above (and I bought a sealed box, so there hasn't been a used stuff hiccup).

enyoss
05-01-2010, 16:20
Wow, there seems to be considerable confusion over Imrik and Asarnil. I can't say much about Asarnil, as I never owned the model (I did hear it was plastic at the time though), but Imrik had the following incarnations:

4th edition: Metal Dragon. Imrik himself looked much like a 4th edition dragon prince armed with lance and sword. The model continued on into 5th edition and was the first of the `Serpentine' Dragons which dominated 4th/5th/6th editions.

6th edition: Much larger plastic dragon (from generic kit) with metal head, arms, saddle and tail. This version of Imrik was armed with lance and dragon horn, and did not wear a helm.

Then the reign of fire ended for the serpentine dragons, and they were replaced with the 7th edition kit we have now.

As a note on the plastic wings, after the 1994 Imrik model (4th edition) all dragons came with a standard set of plastic wings. These included the metal Rakarth dragon, the metal Egrimm dragon (Baudros) and the metal Forest Dragon.

dangermouse425
05-01-2010, 16:41
Wow, impressed with your dragon-fu, enyoss!

Shadow_Zero
03-04-2012, 14:37
Google lead me to this wonderful dragons topic!
Eventually I'd like to add a dragon model to my (Empire) collection and I'm collecting info on all the dragons Games & Workshop has released over the years. Can you guys help me complete this list (or point out where to find the info)?
So far I have:

1992
Orc War Wyvern (http://www.solegends.com/citcat9x3/c92429marorcshaman-02.htm) (full metal)

1993
High Elf Dragonlord (http://www.solegends.com/marauder/mb17elfdragon.htm) (full metal)

1994
Zombie Dragon (http://www.solegends.com/citcat94/cat1994058-02.htm) (full metal)
High Elf Lord of Dragons Prince Imrik (http://www.solegends.com/citcat94/cat1994074-02.htm) (full metal)

1995
Dark Elf Dragonrider Beastlord Rakarth (http://www.solegends.com/citcat1995-6/cat19956p322-02.htm) (metal + plastic wings)
Azhag the Slaughterer (http://chaosorc.com/warhammer-azhag-the-slaughter-oop-boxed-set-p-17545.html) (metal + plastic wings; http://www.solegends.com/citcat1995-6/cat19956p256-02.htm)

1996
Chaos Dragon Baudros Egrimm van Horstmann (http://www.solegends.com/citcat1997/1997p292-02.htm) (metal + plastic wings)
Wood Elf Forest Dragon (http://chaosorc.com/warhammer-wood-elf-forest-dragon-boxed-set-p-994.html) (metal + plastic wings)

1997
Asarnil the Dragonlord (http://toomuchlead.blogspot.com/2011/02/asarnil-dragonlord.html) (plastic )

1998
Wood Elf Forest Dragon (http://www.solegends.com/citcat1997/1997p180-02.htm) (metal + plastic wings)

2000
Orc Warboss on Wyvern (http://chaosorc.com/warhammer-orc-warboss-on-wyvern-finecast-p-2805.html) (metal + plastic wings)

2001
Zacharias The Everliving On Zombie Dragon (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat720003a&prodId=prod1160011) (metal + plastic wings)

2002
Galrauch, First of the Chaos Dragons (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1050030) (full metal)

2003
Blood Dragon Vampire on Winged Nightmare (http://www.amazon.com/Games-Workshop-Vampire-Counts-Nightmare/dp/B0007TG6OI) (full metal)

2004
Malekith, Witch King on Black Dragon (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod790890) (plastic + metal parts)

2008
High Elf Lord on Dragon (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440060a&prodId=prod790844) (plastic)

2009
Azhag the Slaughterer (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod30012a) (metal, plastic wings)

2011
Orc Warboss on Wyvern (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1160164a) (finecast)
Azhag the Slaughterer (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440078a&prodId=prod1160145a) (finecast)
Dark Elf Dreadlord on Black Dragon (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440048a&prodId=prod1250011a)

2012
Vampire Counts Dragon Zombie / Terrorgheist (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat720003a&prodId=prod1290005a)

year?
High Elf Prince Imrik, Dragonlord (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod790846) (plastic + metal parts)
Wood Elf Sisters of Twilight on Forest Dragon (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440114a&prodId=prod800862) (metal + plastic wings)



And some additional info on editions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armies_of_warhammer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_Army_Book
http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Category:Army_books_and_Rulebooks
http://chaosorc.com

4th edition
Rulebook October 1992
High Elves February 1993
O&G April 1993
Undead/Vampire Counts May 1994
(Warriors of) Chaos August 1994
Dark Elves July 1995
Wood Elves May 1996


5th edition
Rulebook October 1996
High Elves May 1997
(Warriors of) Chaos May 1998
Undead/Vampire Counts June 1999
Dogs of War September 1998
Dark Elves - na
O&G na
Wood Elves - na


6th edition
Rulebook September 2000
O&G November 2000
Undead/Vampire Counts April 2001
Dark Elves June 2001
High Elves January 2002
(Warriors of) Chaos June 2002
Wood Elves September 2005


7th edition
Rulebook September 2006
O&G October 2006
High Elves November 2007
Undead/Vampire Counts March 2008
Dark Elves August 2008
(Warriors of) Chaos November 2008
Wood Elves - na


8th edition
Rulebook July 2010
O&G March 2011
Storm of Magic July 2011
Undead/Vampire Counts January 2012

Shadow_Zero
03-04-2012, 22:35
Of what is the Wood Elf Sisters of Twilight on Forest Dragon composed?

Urgat
04-04-2012, 07:47
you're better off starting a new topic methinks.
The sisters are using the old Forest Dragon, but it's been "converted" a bit, sprites and the likes have been added to it. The old Forest Dragon remains my favorite GW dragon.

BigbyWolf
04-04-2012, 10:30
Just as a note- the new metal Azhag had metal wings.

Urgat
04-04-2012, 12:30
The new Azhag is finecast, and the old one had the same plastic wings as all the dragons of that time.

BigbyWolf
04-04-2012, 13:01
The new Azhag is finecast, and the old one had the same plastic wings as all the dragons of that time.

I meant the new one, before it was Finecast:


2009
Azhag the Slaughterer (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod30012a) (metal, plastic wings)

Urgat
04-04-2012, 13:09
Ah, yeah, my bad, forgot about that one :p

BigbyWolf
04-04-2012, 14:23
Ah, yeah, my bad, forgot about that one :p

Having put together the metal one, I reckon I'll be having nightmares about it for years. :cries:

Shadow_Zero
04-04-2012, 20:31
you're better off starting a new topic methinks.
The sisters are using the old Forest Dragon, but it's been "converted" a bit, sprites and the likes have been added to it. The old Forest Dragon remains my favorite GW dragon.
A, there is the big post (03-04-2012, 15:37 ;))
I posted that at first, but it needed approval by an admin (though I was wondering when it would show up).
I've always learnt to use the search button on fora. Via Google I stumbled on this topic and I think it has some great info already! I would find it a pity to start a new topic although this one had been silent for 2 years. My apologies if my judgement was wrong.

In any case, I updated my dragons list, since I got some new info. I'm tempted to find the old Wood Elves dragon as well, though Asarnil has my interest as well ;)

Shadow_Zero
04-04-2012, 20:50
I meant the new one, before it was Finecast:
So the 1995/4th edition Azhag the Slaughterer had plastic wings and the 2009/7th edition metal wings?

devilmixer
04-04-2012, 23:02
why should it be metal???

Shadow_Zero
05-04-2012, 05:52
I'm still pondering if I want a plastic or metal one, but it is a choice in any case ;)

Shadow_Zero
20-04-2012, 16:12
There's an old Wood Elves Forest Dragon on eBay right now (boxed and sealed): http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270954405848

I somewhere found a guide to put Karl Franz on a dragon, anyone know where that guide is? (I thought a Warseer thread, but not sure).

Andy p
20-04-2012, 17:25
you're better off starting a new topic methinks.


lol I was about to refute one of the posts on the first page when it claimed all the O&G wyverns were metal....then I saw the date!!

TheDarkDuke
20-04-2012, 23:23
I can confirm as I have one unassembled minus rider. Old zombie dragon is all metal minus plastic wings. Malekith is the same dragon as the the last high elf plastic one but with arm, tail metal extras.

FashaTheDog
21-04-2012, 02:04
Nice list, Shadow_Zero. I'll add one to it; below is the Great Imperial Dragon from the late '80s, '88 I think. Sad to say I never did more than haphazardly slap some paint on it, but it is now on my work shelf so there will be progress soon and only after 20 something years of neglect :rolleyes:.

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