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Anarchyman99
01-02-2006, 22:04
I wanted to get a 40K campaign started and I seem to be getting the feedback that in 40K it's just to much work and Epic is a better system for that. So what I'm trying to do is get as much info as I can first before trying to get everyone to start a new system. I have some questions.

1 - How points do most Epic players play, whats a small game vs large game points wise?

2 - About how long do most games take, once you get the system down?

3 - What scale is Epic, or what scale is close to Epic?

4 - What are some good Epic Web Sites that will help with questions and tactics?

5 - What if any races have the upper hand? ( I want to know if it will be like the BFG Eldar! )

6 - Anything you think I should know, want to let me know about Epic?

Thanks for your time and help.
Anarchyman99

firestorm40k
02-02-2006, 07:41
1 - How points do most Epic players play, whats a small game vs large game points wise?

3,000 points is tournament size, and should give you a game of similar length to 1,500 in 40k. There's no limit really, some players can field as much as 10,000 points!

2 - About how long do most games take, once you get the system down?

I'd say a couple of hours or so.

3 - What scale is Epic, or what scale is close to Epic?

Infantry in Epic is 6mm, so anything around that is similar to GW's kits.

4 - What are some good Epic Web Sites that will help with questions and tactics?

Try www.epic40k.co.uk, and go to EpiComms forum, it's superb.

5 - What if any races have the upper hand? ( I want to know if it will be like the BFG Eldar! )

Space Marines are the hardest army to use, Eldar are supposed to be very formidable - if you remember their special rules!

6 - Anything you think I should know, want to let me know about Epic?

Go for it, Epic is fantastic! :cool:

Thanks for your time and help.

You're welcome, Anarchyman99! :)

Calindor
02-02-2006, 08:42
Firestorm40k has it all right. Epic is 6mm, it take s a couple of hours to play but not long(you most often only play four turns), around the same time as other GW games like 40k. Usually points in tournament are 2700 or 3000p. Itīs not much and very simple to collect. No race has a upper hand but the hardest armies to play are usually orks or space marines. Best thing to know about epic is itīs very fun, I love it and a good way to start with is to buy the rulebook which are perhaps the best rulebook GW has ever done.

The Ape
02-02-2006, 10:13
The rulebook is available for free at the specialist games website, although if you do start playing regularly you should try and buy the book - the more copies sold, the more likely the chance of persuading GW to keep supporting it and bringing out new models. Well, in theory anyway...

astrocortex
03-02-2006, 01:10
1. Like the chaps have said, 2700 is the minimum size most tournament players use. It's the lower limit to be able to include a Warlord Titan.

The game was supposedly designed to have 5000 points as a suggested upper limit. Apparently it's more likely strange balance issues crop up the more you go above that.

5. A lot of people do think space marines are hard to use, I don't see it myself but that's probably because I'm so used to them.

Eldar pack the most punch, but they can be very fragile on the receiving end too.

6. One piece of advice; never ever think like a 40k player, forget the fluff, be very analytical in how you use your units.

For example you might think it lunacy to assault Striking Scorpions with Devastators. But they can wipe the floor with scorpions in a fire fight assault.

I told this to a 40k playing mate who'd never played epic before. All I got was a :eyebrows: until I provided a little 'demonstration'. :D

Oh and one last thing; welcome to epic! http://www.warseer.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

sigur
03-02-2006, 08:29
I also thought about getting into Epic and just received my first bunch of plastic Squats.:)

All these things sound very interesting, until I stumbled across this:

...
6. One piece of advice; never ever think like a 40k player, forget the fluff, be very analytical in how you use your units...

:eyebrows:
Sooo....uhm...are these just the words of a regular powergamer or is it true? Do you HAVE to min-max and the like? (which to me is the opposite of fluff-gaming)

Another question: In what ways does Epic Armageddon differ from Space Marines? I heared some people here still play SM on a regular basis, so is it still a viable game?

Agamemnon2
03-02-2006, 11:46
6. One piece of advice; never ever think like a 40k player, forget the fluff, be very analytical in how you use your units.

For example you might think it lunacy to assault Striking Scorpions with Devastators. But they can wipe the floor with scorpions in a fire fight assault.

I told this to a 40k playing mate who'd never played epic before. All I got was a :eyebrows: until I provided a little 'demonstration'. :D


That specific example stems from the fact that the word "assault" does not mean the same in Epic:A as in 40k.

The Ape
03-02-2006, 12:34
Dont worry Sigur - its very difficult to be a powergamer in epic. If you take too much of one thing, you will find you are lacking in other areas. And no one area is overpowered enough to be taken to the exclusion of others.

Combined arms is the only way to be successful.

astrocortex
03-02-2006, 13:08
@ Sigur - What I was refering to was that there are some things in epic that would make the average 40k player would never consider in a million years. So forget the fluff means forget the pre-conceptions that 40k brings.

like the example of engaging striking scorpions with devastators in any way other than from as far away as possible and with very powerful guns! :p

Here's another example, I was playing as Eldar a while ago, and an aspect warrior formation of fire dragons and howling banshees engaged a formation of bandblades in an "assault".

Don't forget, in epic an engage action (to give it it's proper name) was imagined to be the equivalent to a game of 40k. Hence the firefight and close combat elements to it.

The mistake I made was thinking like a 40k player and relying on the (very nasty) firefight characteristics of the fire dragons and not putting the howling banshees into base to base contact, thinking they wouldn't put a dent on the bandblades.

Oh how wrong I was! :cries:

Would the average 40k player really attack tanks with a unit that they normally use againts other infantry?

Mouldsta
03-02-2006, 14:44
That and they often assume that marines can just run forward and win, while everything bounces off their armour (which works in 40K). It doesn't work in epic A, as marines need to be used as a scapel (which is how it should be)

primarch
03-02-2006, 19:13
I also thought about getting into Epic and just received my first bunch of plastic Squats.:)

All these things sound very interesting, until I stumbled across this:


:eyebrows:
Sooo....uhm...are these just the words of a regular powergamer or is it true? Do you HAVE to min-max and the like? (which to me is the opposite of fluff-gaming)

Another question: In what ways does Epic Armageddon differ from Space Marines? I heared some people here still play SM on a regular basis, so is it still a viable game?

Hi!

SM is alive and well in the NetEpic project. We have keep alive those rules by constantly updating them and adding all the newer units that have been developed over the years.

Go here to download the latest books (version 5.0): http://netepic.org/EPICentre/Downloads/

We also have a dedicated Yahoo group for development.

Soon NetEpic (a full fledged color rulebook with pictures and fluff stories) will be made available.

Primarch