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Grot
23-02-2010, 09:46
I'm sorry if this is insulting, or not really something people are 'allowed' to talk about, but well... I thought I'd ask anyway.

I've been thinking about doing a conversion with a wraithlord for some time now, and after seeing what they did to the carnifex, I'm wondering if converting a wraithlord kit before the next eldar codex comes out would be a 'safe' purchase?

I know that it should be just about modeling, and if the rules get totally changed, just buy a new one, and everything, but... considering how many people now have useless carnifexes, and that the carnifex kit, with it's millions of totally unusable wargear bits, is now just a rather expensive trygon conversion kit, I wanted to see what people thought before I started work on a wraithlord.

Should I opt for a less dynamic conversion and magnetize the weapons? Do you think they'll nerf / remove any of the options, or add new ones / buff bad ones to the point of being no-brainers? Would giving it additional weapons, like, say, a different type of held melee weapon, be a bad idea, since they may replace the sword option altogether?

Basically, what I'm asking is how popular is the wraithlord kit, and how much hate will GW put into making the unit relatively pointless compared to shiny new things?

VonManstein
23-02-2010, 09:52
I would be very surprised if they would nerf the wraithlord in the same way they did to the Carnifex: making it pointless to take as other things are so much better.

Reason? They are no-where a no-brainer, most competative lists dont include them. (ussually all-mechanized). Also you cant compare it with a Carnifex as there are a lot of other MC's in the nid codex, wraithlords will probably still be the MC in the new eldar codex (except the Avatar), so the chances are bigger that there will be some good uses for them.

So I say go with it.

Edit: its also not a stupid question. I ask these questions myself too when in doubt about starting a certain army which will probably get new models and a codex within a year or so.

The Orange
23-02-2010, 10:13
I think you should be fine with the WL kit. Most of it's weapons options are standard kit used throughout the army and I think the whining about eldar has finally for once died down so there should be little need for change in the WLs rules. (Funny enough there was a time when the WL was complained about). And tbh, I don't see the Eldar dex being changed anytime soon. There's far too much ahead of it in line, and their not so popular as to deem skipping ahead of others in line (and I say that as a fan of the army).

The carnifex however was spammed (nidzilla lists) and complained about. The loss of it's mutability I think was a harsh loss but tbh I like that I have all the cool bits to "bling" my carnifex with and won't have to pay for silly upgrades that I don't want anyways. It was a sloppy rules change, but at least I can take a tusked, scything tailed, throned carapice-fex w/o paying though the nose for upgrades I find useless.

Reflex
23-02-2010, 10:19
As Von said, it most likely wont get nerfed because its not a vital part of the eldar army anymore.
you could say it was nerfed in 4th edition because it dosnt get used anymore. hehe see what i did there nid codex people..

drmarco
23-02-2010, 10:45
I doubt the wraithlord itself would be substantially nerfed but as to the weapons load outs? They are really dictated more by the main rules from the BRB and the opponents you face.

The bottom line with all major conversions is the more effort you put in, the greater the risk that a rules change could leave you high-and-dry, but given the relatively recent creation of the plastic kit, its overwhelming popularity with modellers and the balanced use they tend to see in play I can't imagine any massive changes pending.

That said, if they decide to go down a more thematic route as they did with the old 'Craftworld Eldar' approach, I could imagine more specialised wraithlords coming into play, especially after the rather lovely Scorpion Exarch Wraithlord conversion in the 2009 UK GD...

Good luck,

Marco

ashc
23-02-2010, 11:45
If anything the Wraithlord will be made better with a new Eldar book in the future, I don't see many being fielded these days..

Occulto
23-02-2010, 11:48
If anything the Wraithlord will be made better with a new Eldar book in the future, I don't see many being fielded these days..

Especially if they coincided the next book with plastic wraithguard.

Codex Eldar Iyanden would put a dent on their reservoir of Yellow paint and Wraithlord kits. Two birds with one stone. :p

ashc
23-02-2010, 11:54
Especially if they coincided the next book with plastic wraithguard.

Codex Eldar Iyanden would put a dent on their reservoir of Yellow paint and Wraithlord kits. Two birds with one stone. :p

Oh gods, I think if they did plastic wraithguard that may well be enough to convert me to Eldar, love me some Iyanden.

drmarco
23-02-2010, 11:57
*Smiles, silently and smugly*

Marco

spekkiebig
23-02-2010, 12:00
If anything the Wraithlord will be made better with a new Eldar book in the future, I don't see many being fielded these days..

Wraithlords carrying D-cannons around for instance, like in the old days.

Mojaco
23-02-2010, 12:04
I think you should be fine with the WL kit. Most of it's weapons options are standard kit used throughout the army and I think the whining about eldar has finally for once died down so there should be little need for change in the WLs rules. (Funny enough there was a time when the WL was complained about).
That was during 4th edition with the old Eldar codex. Vehicles were weaker and transports were liabilities. But the Wraithlord stood out, as it could fire until dead. It was dirt cheap (he could be chosen without weapons, making him less than 100 pts for a powerful monster) with more attacks and no wraithsight. And to top it off, it could be chosen as Troop Choice. Horrible thing..

Now they're just good, not stupid good.

To OP; just don't buy excessive amounts. All the people who have useless carnifexes laying around probably have a lot more than 3. I had 4, so I changed one in a Tervigon and the other three still see combat. It's not that bad. The only loss was that a lot of the plastic options became meaningless (the heads, the tails, etc), but the wraithlord won't have that problem. The only options he has are cosmetic or weapons, and only the Wraithsword isn't shared with the whole army (making them quite save).

elvinltl
23-02-2010, 12:47
On the contrary... I think GW might actually improve Wraithlord if the next Edition Eldar codex comes out.

I hope they will allow Eldar to field 2 Wraithlords as a Heavy Support to accomdate a larger Eldar Army. 3 Wraithlords in a 2000 points Eldar army seems quite displaced.

BattleSeer
23-02-2010, 13:51
and how about just a tiny invulnerable save lol

Killgore
23-02-2010, 13:55
The Wraithlord got hit by the nerf bat compared to what it was in 3rd edition, its highly doubtful they will change it much

as for possible future illegal weapon loadouts, all the weaponry slots onto the plastic wraithlord with no need for glue

Dr.Clock
23-02-2010, 17:39
Yeah... one wraithlord will always be useful.

Immunity to most basic weapons cannot be overrated for an army of T3 squishies... Totally safe.

The stat-line IS somewhat unimpressive though, aside from T8 and BS4 with 2 heavy weapons. But those two stats alone make a worthwhile buy at around 150 points kitted for anti-tank/MCs. And two flamers never go amiss.

I've been taking one in most games for a long while and am on the verge of getting another.

But more than 2? A unit of warwalkers will usually provide a much needed boost to shooting and are great as harriers scouting up one flank.

Alternatively, Dark reapers can really kick out horrific firepower and can benefit from having a pair of WLs p front.

Some of my most effective lists have contained three different HS choices: DRs, WL and Falcon.

I usually run a mixed list, so my HS move up with infantry and the elites pile in to serpents to pull flank moves...

Cheers,

The Good Doctor.

Mr Zoat
23-02-2010, 18:02
I doubt that they will get rid of it, but you could consider using magnets on the weapons in case the options get changed.

Vepr
23-02-2010, 18:02
With GW you never know, also probably depends on who writes the codex.

Radium
23-02-2010, 18:15
I would certainly hope so! But in all seriousness, I can't really imagine they would do anything radical to the wraithlord, so it's a pretty safe model.

Chem-Dog
23-02-2010, 18:36
I'd Imagine the WL may get a small buff, a few more weapon choices perhaps.
So if anything, a Wraithlord bought and equipped now might be fairly innocuous in a later codex.
I'd like to see Wraithlords that adhere to the path that they died in- Rangers, Aspect Warriors, Seers ect Unique weaponry for each, Imagine the fun of a Warp Spider Wraithlord with a Warp Jump :evilgrin:
Even if there was just a "venerable" wraithlord version, it'd be nice to see the fairly bland unit beefed up a bit.

Oh and Wraithguard have to be coming at some point, the existing models have to be close to the oldest models still in use now.

blankhalo
23-02-2010, 19:27
The UK GW site actually has a sample army list built around two WL and an Avatar here: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=&pIndex=6&aId=4600008a&start=7

What do people think to this list?

CraftworldsRus
23-02-2010, 20:47
I also agree a Wraithlord is a "safe" bet. As others have said, don't get more then two, at least for now.

ObiWan
23-02-2010, 21:02
You can always magnetize, is a safer bet and also helps you change weapons to match your likes.

The Orange
23-02-2010, 22:11
*Smiles, silently and smugly*

Marco

Well now, that's what I like to hear ;).

wazatdingder
23-02-2010, 22:20
No one is safe from a new codex...




no one.

WinglessVT2
23-02-2010, 22:21
Don't worry.
We'll be here for you if they pull another chaos codex on your eldar.

enygma7
23-02-2010, 22:41
The wraithlord has already had its "nerf", in the previous codex people maxed out on them so they made them heavy support only and dropped their attacks.

Its actually fairly easy to predict what will get nerfed in future codexes. If people are maxing out on them and "everyone" uses them they get nerfed. If you build varied lists based around a balance of choices rather than spamming the most "optimal" unit you should be fine.

WinglessVT2
23-02-2010, 22:43
That, or you can play space marines.
We never lose anything, and only seem to gain stuff.

shin'keiro
24-02-2010, 00:07
Well considering they have only just brought out the new kit in the past 2 years - I think it's 'safe'.