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Troah
14-03-2010, 22:18
Ok so I've been playing as Dark Eldar since I began 40k 4-5 years ago. I have noticed that Gamesworkshop hates to make a codex that's not Space Marines, and probably will not make another Dark Eldar codex for another 40 years. So I was thinking of moving over to Eldar, the issue is I have no idea how they play. I have never seen an Eldar codex, nor an Eldar army.

So I'd like to now, how exactly are they different?
What are the pros & cons of Eldar?
How do Eldar play in comparison to Dark Eldar?
Is there anything I really should know about Eldar?

CoolKidRoc
14-03-2010, 23:13
Check out my Blog, www.thewraithgate.com there are plenty of Eldar Articles on there that might get you a feel for what you're wanting to know.

-CKR

TheWarSmith
15-03-2010, 06:02
Eldar are COMPLETELY different than Dark Eldar.

Dark Eldar are a super fast assault army, since they can assault from their raiders on the same turn they disembark.

Eldar are FAR shootier and filled w/ psychic powers.

There's actually a reasonable speculation about DE getting a new codex within the next year.....

cuda1179
15-03-2010, 06:12
Dark Eldar might be getting a new codex in the not-too distant future, so hold tight.

Also, Dark Eldar are MUCH more fragile than normal Eldar. Dark Eldar, on average, have better stats, but worse weapons. Dark Eldar seem to rely more on squad leaders and commanders for hand-to-hand combat, while Eldar use specialised units. Eldar have faster transports, actual tanks, and more variety.

I have played both armies, and their style of play is a little different. Dark Eldar seem more horde like. They have cheap troops with access to Dark lances, but can't move and shoot. Eldar have almost the same weapon, but can move and shoot it.

Dark Eldar have basically two-close combat units, Wytches and the Incubi retinue. Both are decent. The Eldar Equivelent to Wytches is the Banshee. They are super-fast, have little armor, and have power weapons. I'd also add that their unit leader is better than the Wytches'.

EldritchRaider
15-03-2010, 12:05
Yeah, I haven't had much experience with DE but I can say that Eldar are very different. While DE rely on their constant speed and unit leaders...while Eldar are much happier to hold tight and shoot, and they have completely specialized units to handle different situations.(banshees for close-quarters moshpits and face offs, dire avengers for antipersonel, and fire dragons for antitank support)

Word Bearer
15-03-2010, 21:32
I've had plenty of experience with both armies, and yes they do play very differently.

While the Eldar can be rather fragile, for anyone coming from playing Marines, they're still rather durable. Wave Serpents and Falcons and still tough nut's to crack (the Serpent especially this edition) Wraithlords, Wraithguard, Avatars all can take a heck of a lot of punishment. We also have Spiders, Scorpians, Dark Reapers, Jetbikes and Shining Spears all with 3+ saves (the two latter having the ability to make turn it into a cover save through turbo'ing) Our Guardians can be protected with Conceal and Avengers can get a hold of the Shimmershield for a nice invulnerable in combat.

On the other hand, Dark Eldar really are the glass cannon of 40k, paper thin open topped transports, only Incubi with a 3+ save and Wyches with no save whatsoever until you reach combat. Reavers also have a worse save than the Craftworld cousins. Talos is perhaps the most durable unit in the book, but also the slowest (a terribly bad thing for Dark Eldar). Grotesques can make an ok Tar Pit, but hardly the best.
As already said the army relies on speed, those assault units MUST get into combat and not be shot, else they WILL disappear one way or another.
Warriors I must say though are an excellent bargain, the best troops choice in the game I'd have said before the latest Ork codex.

SandQueen
15-03-2010, 22:24
Ok so I've been playing as Dark Eldar since I began 40k 4-5 years ago. I have noticed that Gamesworkshop hates to make a codex that's not Space Marines, and probably will not make another Dark Eldar codex for another 40 years. So I was thinking of moving over to Eldar, the issue is I have no idea how they play. I have never seen an Eldar codex, nor an Eldar army.

So I'd like to now, how exactly are they different?
What are the pros & cons of Eldar?
How do Eldar play in comparison to Dark Eldar?
Is there anything I really should know about Eldar?

Eldar are different in this way:
-Psychic powers, holy crap. You'd be switching from an army that flat out doesnt do them to one that can unleash hell.

Pros and Cons
+ FAST. Eldar can outrun most armies on in any given situation. They're fast, they're manueverable.
+ Firepower. Eldar can shoot like no-one's business. Strength 6 is one of their favorite things. They also like boatloads of shots.
- Basic troops are kind of soft. Guardians die easy and their leadership isnt great. Aspect Warriors are better but tend to cost more in the long run.
- Armor. Vehicles will die if you dont keep them moving. Most of your army will have to be affraid of heavy bolters.

Differences from Dark Eldar:
Not as fast, more shooting, sturdier vehicles, psychic powers

Anything you should know:
it'll be a big shift to have to worry about things like Psychic powers. But on the other hand it'll be nice to get armor saves now and then

Starchild
15-03-2010, 23:34
What are the pros & cons of Eldar?
Basically the same as Dark Eldar: very fast, but fragile. Add to this the fact that most Eldar units are specialized in one particular task, which can be a pro or a con depending on the situation.

However, there are exceptions to every rule. The Wraithlord is very durable and compares favourably to the Talos. Wraithguard are also quite durable.


Is there anything I really should know about Eldar?
If you decide to make an Eldar army, be prepared for a long-term investment. A few key units can get you started (see the Eldar Tactica thread for details), but eventually you'll want at least one of each unit (except Swooping Hawks or Vypers perhaps, as currently they are overpriced and under-performing.)

SandQueen
15-03-2010, 23:57
(except Swooping Hawks or Vypers perhaps, as currently they are overpriced and under-performing.)

I have six Vypers, they have a 80% success rate in most games.

Sunfang
16-03-2010, 00:12
Love me some Vypers, as long as I run mine with Scatter lasers.

Still trying to find a use for swooping hawks...

Essentially playing Eldar requires precision and cunning in all phases to a cumulative "I win." My experience with Dark Eldar is precision assaults. Bit of a differance.

the1stpip
16-03-2010, 00:20
Wait for the new codex. As already mentioned, it is heavily hinted by those in the know to be later this year.

e2055261
16-03-2010, 00:27
Eladar codex is way off in my opinion. DE is closer if you can wait just a few more months. You've already waited more than ten years; don't quit on them now!

Troah
16-03-2010, 19:15
Thanks for all the insight guys. I might move on to Eldar and come back to Dark Eldar once the codex comes out seeing as how in my gaming group we have no one that plays standard Eldar.

Melchiah
16-03-2010, 19:23
GW says they want to get all the current armies a 5th Ed codex before the move to 6th, DE is said to be between Nov-feb-ish, eldar are still looking at another 2 years. After DE its being said that there is still DE, Necrons, Deamon/witchhunter, and any mix of marines books.
unless you really want to do eldar, I would wait.

Troah
16-03-2010, 20:07
Oh, Eldar aren't in 5th yet?

Starchild
16-03-2010, 22:14
Oh, Eldar aren't in 5th yet?Well, yes and no. The Eldar Codex was designed "with 5th ed. in mind" and released towards the end of 4th ed. There are some things 5th ed. does to nerf the book a bit-- namely the change of defensive vehicle weapons from S6 to S4, no need for the Warp Spider "Surprise Assault" warrior power, etc.

Even so, Codex Eldar is still a solid, balanced book with some powerful builds, definitely worth picking up and using for now. Eldar will only get better when their new Codex comes out, so in my opinion there's no need to wait.

Melchiah
16-03-2010, 22:38
It just needs some common sence and an FAQ. Some people read the howling Banshees's mask wrong due to the old rules used for cover and genades. And the way that rending now works kinda messed with the harlies.

shaso_iceborn
16-03-2010, 22:44
Dark eldar are very much on their way. Before Necrons even, remember necrons (are rumored) to be out Jan 2011 Dark Eldar are supposedly due out this year. I have heard conflicting rumors about the time frame but seems to point towards September.