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magath
20-03-2010, 21:22
Hi guys

I'm after somewhere online where I can get a load of cheap dice quite cheap, just D6s, not even coloured ones, just the bog standard ones workshop use.

Anyone have any idea where I can pick a load of cheap ones up from, as all the websites I find seem to be really expencive.

Magath.

bigcheese76
20-03-2010, 21:25
Why not just go with the GW dice cube, thats not too pricey.

R-Love
20-03-2010, 21:48
The dollar store.

If you only want regular dice, you can pick them up practically anywhere. I recently picked up a container of 200 for about $5 at my local surplus store (basically where they ship surplus stock from other cities). You can find dice everywhere if you look around. It's part of the reason GW went with the D6 to begin with. If you're really desperate, start raiding any old board games you have (Risk has something like twenty in it)

Inquisitor Engel
20-03-2010, 23:23
I want tiny casino dice, but no such thing exists that I can find. Like, GW dice size, but perfect square corners and painted-on numbers.

Dai-Mongar
21-03-2010, 03:38
Check ebay? If you're looking at gaming stores, that's your first mistake.

htj
21-03-2010, 12:29
I got about sixty dice for under twenty quid on eBay. Not mini casino dice, like you mentioned, but some rather snazzy GW sized dice.

Gargskull
21-03-2010, 12:53
I got a pack of 36 for 3 from a little hobby shop so games stores aren't that much of a bad deal.

revford
21-03-2010, 14:54
http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/Paque.html

Excellent service, good prices.

Spectrar Ghost
21-03-2010, 19:10
I have always had excellent luck with Chessex (http://www.chessex.com) dice. A block of 36 12mm is $8.99, and they have a bazillion colors. They also do custom dice, though that does not qualify as cheap. The GW blocks have the Scatter and Artillery dice, and the case is a handy turn counter, but I prefer my Chessex, overall.

Thud
21-03-2010, 22:49
Why not just pick up a GW dice box at your local shop? It's a one time purchase and it's what? A fiver?

Is it really worth it going through a lot of hassle to save a quid on something you'll most likely never need anything more of?

Duke Georgal
22-03-2010, 10:24
I want tiny casino dice, but no such thing exists that I can find. Like, GW dice size, but perfect square corners and painted-on numbers.

I have been wanting 16mm sized casino style dice. I have been looking for years with no luck.

Inquisitor Engel
25-03-2010, 01:29
I have been wanting 16mm sized casino style dice. I have been looking for years with no luck.

I found some on a website once for $20.00. For two.

I'll roll slightly-higher than average on 1's thanks.

Spectrar Ghost
25-03-2010, 01:36
You'll actually roll fewer 1s than average, due to the fact that the '1' side is heaviest, and the '6' side is lightest. Sorry, OT...

thegrayson
25-03-2010, 11:02
Dice (http://snmstuff.co.uk/dice.aspx) have bought plenty of dice there in the past.

MarcoSkoll
25-03-2010, 22:42
I want tiny casino dice, but no such thing exists that I can find. Like, GW dice size, but perfect square corners and painted-on numbers.
Do you really need legally fair dice for your games? I wouldn't've said there was a single game system balanced enough out there that the fairness of the dice was a primary concern!

And as far as cost, casino dice are expensive because of the machining tolerances on them - I believe most countries require the dice to be within about one hundredth of a millimetre of being a perfect cube. That kind of precision manufacture costs real money.

But that's given me an interesting question. What is the actual fairness of GW's dice? If you were to roll several thousand throws, how close would it actually get to a fair distribution?

Only one way to find out! Get me my dice!

Agnar the Howler
25-03-2010, 23:09
You'll actually roll fewer 1s than average, due to the fact that the '1' side is heaviest, and the '6' side is lightest. Sorry, OT...

He knows. If you read his post again then you'll spot the part about him deciding to stick with rolling more 1s on his current dice than shelling out $20 for two dice.

Spectrar Ghost
25-03-2010, 23:19
I'll roll slightly-higher than average on 1's thanks.

Fewer ones, not more. The one, being heaviest, is most likely to land face down, not up. This is compounded by the 6 being lightest.

Casino dice actually reduce the chances of getting a 6 and increase the chance of a 1... So-his non-fair current dice are rolling fewer ones on average.

Agnar the Howler
25-03-2010, 23:27
Fewer ones, not more. The one, being heaviest, is most likely to land face down, not up. This is compounded by the 6 being lightest.

Casino dice actually reduce the chances of getting a 6 and increase the chance of a 1... So-his non-fair current dice are rolling fewer ones on average.

I'd like to see proof of this to back you up, because i'm calling BS.

Spectrar Ghost
25-03-2010, 23:35
Lemme see what I can find...

Here we go. The differance is smaller than I imagined, but it's there.

http://www.maa.org/mathland/mathtrek_10_26_98.html

Spectrar Ghost
26-03-2010, 00:22
One proviso: the magnitude of these variances will vary depending on the mass of material removed in comparison to the mass of the die. The difference will remain though.

Inquisitor Engel
26-03-2010, 00:39
But that's given me an interesting question. What is the actual fairness of GW's dice? If you were to roll several thousand throws, how close would it actually get to a fair distribution?

In response to this and everyone who thinks that GW roll less 1's than other 'fair' dice:

Someone on Warseer (a stats or math professor or something) posted an actual study he had his students do over quite some time (the number of dice rolled was in the 5 digit range) and GW dice ended up rolling more 1's by a considerable margin than casino dice.

The shaved corners are apparently what REALLY make the difference.

Spectrar Ghost
26-03-2010, 00:49
I'm surprised. Why do the shaved corners make such a difference? Would you be able to provide a link?

Agnar the Howler
26-03-2010, 00:52
Spectrar, what you posted argues directly against your argument that casino dice are no fairer than store-bought dice, it even goes as far as saying that they're more squared and with the pips drilled and filled in with the same material to increase fairness (alternatively, you could paint on the pips which has the same effect).


I'm surprised. Why do the shaved corners make such a difference? Would you be able to provide a link?

It's in the link you provided...


The simplest mathematical model of a standard die is based on the assumption that the die is a perfect cube. A cube has six faces, and each face has an equal probability of coming up--one in six (1/6).

Shaved corners reduce the cubed shape of a die, making it less fair.

Spectrar Ghost
26-03-2010, 00:55
I didn't argue casino dice were no fairer. I argued that the drilling on store bought dice meant that there would be a skew towards the high rolls instead of the low. I simply argued they were unfair in the other direction.

Spectrar Ghost
26-03-2010, 00:58
As long as shaved corners are equal, I would think they would have no net effect on the chances of any given side coming up.

I await that study, shoud be a good read.

Agnar the Howler
26-03-2010, 00:58
I didn't argue casino dice were no fairer. I argued that the drilling on store bought dice meant that there would be a skew towards the high rolls instead of the low. I simply argued they were unfair in the other direction.

But GW dice are already skewed in favour of rolling 1s, there's been a test on this forum already that proves it; which is why the person you first quoted said he'd stick with his higher chance of rolling 1s rather than buying expensive casino dice...

Spectrar Ghost
26-03-2010, 01:02
I haven't seen it, and would love to get a link. I'm not saying there's not, just that I would like to read it.

Edit: I did a quick search when it was first mentioned, and came up blank. This is the type of thing I love, when I'm proven wrong by a well crafted study. I'd also be interested in the physical causes of the discrepancy, I.e. why do shaved corners make it unfair.

Agnar the Howler
26-03-2010, 01:10
I haven't seen it, and would love to get a link. I'm not saying there's not, just that I would like to read it.

Edit: I did a quick search when it was first mentioned, and came up blank. This is the type of thing I love, when I'm proven wrong by a well crafted study. I'd also be interested in the physical causes of the discrepancy, I.e. why do shaved corners make it unfair.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65531&highlight=dice+research

That is the original one I read. If anyone else wants to chime in with a different one, please do.

Spectrar Ghost
26-03-2010, 01:35
Game room logic, poor source of anything, would dictate that the side with the one is heavier and would therefore be on the bottom more. Unfortunately this is just not true, take popcorn or batholiths as an example. The 6 is too light to stop the momentum of the dice, the rounded corners cannot prevent the dice from turning due to the weight.

Wish I had a copy of the actual research instead of a synopsis.

It's an interesting result. Not sure I understand how the 6, on top and therefore moving fastest, thereby contributing most of the momentum, is more likely to tip the die than the 1, more massive and therefore with greater momentum. I would also think there would be an effect on the balance point, making it not exactly 45 deg., moving it towards the side with more mass.

But there you go. An interesting read.