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rkunisch
14-02-2006, 11:27
I have an Imperial Navy fleet consisting of the following:
- Emperor Class Battleship
- Lunar Class Cruiser
- Lunar Class Cruiser NC
- Dominator Class Cruiser
- Gothic Class Cruiser
- Dauntless Class Light Cruiser
- 3 Sword Class Frigates
- 3 Firestorm Class Frigates
- 4 Cobra Class Destroyers

I recently bought another two cruiser boxes and think, I will build one each of the Battlecruisers:
- Mars Class Battlecruiser
- Overlord Class Battlecruiser

This leaves me with two other cruiser to be build. I could simply build a Dictator Class Cruiser and a Tyrant Class Cruiser and have all options at least once. Otherwise I could swap the Tyrant for a Gothic. Also I am not sure if I really need a third carrier, so maybe the Dictator isn't necessary either. Any thoughts, ideas, tips?

Have fun,

Rolf.

fracas
14-02-2006, 12:15
biased ofcourse
but i am not a fan of either the Gothic or the Lunar
i think the tyrant or the dictator would be better

notdakuningist
14-02-2006, 14:29
You can always use more fighters or bombers.

Getz
14-02-2006, 23:55
How about an Armageddon Class Battlecruiser? (Think Lunar on Steroids) I've not used one myself, but they should make excellent escorts for Mars Class Battlecruisers as they have very similar weapons profiles.

For your second cruiser I would definately build a Dictator as they are excellent little cruisers - especially in smaller games where a Mars is too expensive for your carrier support.

Son of Morkai
15-02-2006, 00:41
I'll second the Armageddon. For the other, well, I've always liked how my two Gothics worked together.

orangesm
15-02-2006, 01:02
Problem with an Armageddon is fleet list, cant have both an Armageddon and an Overlord. I would say go with a Dictator - possibly two, fighters are important to oppose enemy fleets and bombers are deadly.

USABOB
15-02-2006, 01:37
Problem with an Armageddon is fleet list, cant have both an Armageddon and an Overlord.
Unless you play with reserves.

First choice, I'd say go with an armageddon, this ship hasn't let me down yet. I haven't fought a battle without since my first game.

Second cruiser, I'd go with a dictator to bolster more attack craft or another trusty ship o' the line the Lunar (can't have too many lunars).

Eduard
15-02-2006, 11:33
Well , me being an Gothic classs fan i'd say, get more of those.
I've used a squadron of 3 in the past, and usually they can handle nearly anything my enemy throws at me (with the exception of eldar, those pesky nimble gits).Once you've Locked on to your target 12 re-rolled 4+ shots is nothing to be sniffed at.
(the same goes for an strenght 18 torpedo salvo).

ReDavide
15-02-2006, 15:09
I like your Dictator + Gothic idea better than the Dictator + Tyrant.

I've never been a fan of the dual-range battery ships. I'd rather be good at long OR short range than be sucky at both.

You sure you don't want another dominator?

rkunisch
15-02-2006, 17:56
Thanks for all you insights. I already have thought about the Armageddon Class Battlecruiser, but this will be a later expansion of my fleet. At the moment I like to stick to the original Gothic sector vessels.


You can always use more fighters or bombers.
For your second cruiser I would definately build a Dictator as they are excellent little cruisers - especially in smaller games where a Mars is too expensive for your carrier support. I can see the benefit of the arguments.


You sure you don't want another dominator? Yup, didn't like this Cruiser Class too much, sorry.

I tend to use the Dictator/Gothic variant at the moment.

Have fun,

Rolf.

fracas
16-02-2006, 02:12
I like your Dictator + Gothic idea better than the Dictator + Tyrant.

I've never been a fan of the dual-range battery ships. I'd rather be good at long OR short range than be sucky at both.

You sure you don't want another dominator?

upgrade the 30cm battery to 45 cm for 10 pts
45cm batteries come in handy against eldars

Getz
16-02-2006, 22:00
I've never been a fan of the dual-range battery ships. I'd rather be good at long OR short range than be sucky at both.


The thing is that the Tyrant is a very capable cruiser at close range - easily as capable as the Lunar without the drawbacks against Eldar - and has that little bit extra reach when you need it.

Of course, as mentioned you can go for the upgraded version which is really quite formidable even at medium range. Either way it's a pretty good cruiser for the points but the basic version works best when used in pairs.

VanDoo
17-02-2006, 23:11
I have an Imperial Navy fleet consisting of the following:
- Emperor Class Battleship
- Lunar Class Cruiser
- Lunar Class Cruiser NC
- Dominator Class Cruiser
- Gothic Class Cruiser
- Dauntless Class Light Cruiser
- 3 Sword Class Frigates
- 3 Firestorm Class Frigates
- 4 Cobra Class Destroyers

I recently bought another two cruiser boxes and think, I will build one each of the Battlecruisers:
- Mars Class Battlecruiser
- Overlord Class Battlecruiser

This leaves me with two other cruiser to be build. I could simply build a Dictator Class Cruiser and a Tyrant Class Cruiser and have all options at least once. Otherwise I could swap the Tyrant for a Gothic. Also I am not sure if I really need a third carrier, so maybe the Dictator isn't necessary either. Any thoughts, ideas, tips?

Have fun,

Rolf.

1- Unless you play against Eldar often, the Overlord and the Tyrant really aren't that usefull. I personnaly have two of each, and I barely ever use them.

2- If you are going to use two Lunars, either have both with NCs or both with torps and squadron them together. Since you want to build a Mars, I'd say snap off the NC on the Lunar.

3- Always keep in mind that IN ships are much better squadroned. Keeping this in mind, I'd go with the following:

2xMars
2xDictators

This will allow you to overwhelm the enemy with bombers while your gunships tackle another part of the enemy fleet.

rkunisch
20-02-2006, 11:52
1- Unless you play against Eldar often, the Overlord and the Tyrant really aren't that usefull. I personnaly have two of each, and I barely ever use them. I decided to get an Emperor class battleship instead of a Retribution class. So at least I need a battlecruiser with firepower, don't I? :p


2- If you are going to use two Lunars, either have both with NCs or both with torps and squadron them together. Since you want to build a Mars, I'd say snap off the NC on the Lunar. Why have they to be same configuration? As far as I know, it is only necessary to have ships of the same group. So, it is no problem to squadron two different kinds of cruisers. Also, if I need another Lunar I will more likely buy another box of cruisers - funds are not my primary issue. ;)


3- Always keep in mind that IN ships are much better squadroned. Keeping this in mind, I'd go with the following:

2xMars
2xDictators

This will allow you to overwhelm the enemy with bombers while your gunships tackle another part of the enemy fleet. That is really a lot of carriers. I prefer the gunfight gaming style, but will surely try how the greater number of carriers will work. If it works out well, I will buy another box of cruisers and add an additional Mars and Dictator.

Thanks for all the advise.

Have fun,

Rolf.

fracas
20-02-2006, 12:02
no, you are not limited to squadroning ships of the same types
however, for some ships, they work better that way
sort of a "wonder twin" effect

VanDoo
28-02-2006, 21:57
I decided to get an Emperor class battleship instead of a Retribution class. So at least I need a battlecruiser with firepower, don't I? :p

Do you mean firepower or range? If it's pure firepower you want, then the Armageddon is what you want.


Why have they to be same configuration? As far as I know, it is only necessary to have ships of the same group. So, it is no problem to squadron two different kinds of cruisers. Also, if I need another Lunar I will more likely buy another box of cruisers - funds are not my primary issue. ;)

As Fracas mentionned, they don't HAVE to be the same, but they usually work much better that way. For example, if you have one Lunar with NC and one without, then you will have to choose wether to RO or LO when you use up the torps. If both have NCs or torps, the choice becomes easier.


That is really a lot of carriers. I prefer the gunfight gaming style, but will surely try how the greater number of carriers will work. If it works out well, I will buy another box of cruisers and add an additional Mars and Dictator.

I prefer gunfights too, but I understand that carriers play a big role in this game. I never leave home without at least 8 launch bays.:)


Thanks for all the advise.

No prob!

Getz
28-02-2006, 22:18
The Best way of thinkng of the Overlord, IMHO, is as two thirds of a Retribution.

Two thirds of the structure points, two thirds of the firepower but - and this is the key bit - all of the range.

The Overlord is the only Imperial Cruiser that can stand in the line of battle alongside the Battleships (in the way that most Chaos Cruisers can) so if you want a strong line of battle, a Retribution and a couple of Overlords is much less taxing on the rest of your fleet list than two or more Retributions - same goes for bigger lists with multiple Battleships...

I like the Tyrant, I think it's pretty handy and it's fast becoming the Core of my Imperial Cruiser Fleet alongside the Lunar but at the end of the day, it does all come down to exactly how much importance you place on a) lances and b) range.