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Tower_Of_The_Stars
18-07-2010, 19:45
What do people think is going to be the standard number of points to play at in 8th edition if indeed it changes at all?

Agoz
18-07-2010, 19:50
I'm thinking the new 2000 is still 2000.

HeroFox
18-07-2010, 19:56
New 2000? Here in the States it was 2250.

Now I'm thinking 2500.

Walgis
18-07-2010, 20:21
2500 is great

omnivision6
18-07-2010, 20:23
for those in southern california, the SCGWL is going to 2500pts. and most of the area around here follows suite because they tend to run and play in a fair number of tournaments. They also have open communication with the other big clubs around the area and they all tend to work together.

me and my group, who are all employees or ex GW employees, are going to be playing 3k and higher. we like huge games.

RanaldLoec
18-07-2010, 22:05
9000 just because I can

Ultimate Life Form
18-07-2010, 22:15
The new 2000 will be the old 2000.

Frankly
18-07-2010, 22:17
I'm liking 2000pts

Freakiq
18-07-2010, 22:48
9000 just because I can

I'd say it's a bit over that. ;)

the anti santa
18-07-2010, 22:51
I always liked 1999 points games in 7th. It generally encouraged people to take more core troops and magic was less of an issue with no lords and the extra points allowing most armies the ability to take some magic defence.

I suppose there is no equivalent now without house-ruling the percentages.

Grimstonefire
19-07-2010, 00:42
Why would you need to house rule the percentages? They were intended to scale up and down. I guess including lords could be an issue in small games.

Arkh
19-07-2010, 01:36
2000 points is good for keeping out the superheroes. 2500 is good if you want to allow the option of superheroes.

My personal preference so far would be 2500 points.

CaptScott
19-07-2010, 02:30
What's with this whole 'armies will be bigger in 8th' thing. Is it that some people want to keep the army they've got, just now add 10 ranks on to everything to cheese it out?

I say keep the point sizes as they are, and make people choose between having uber large units and a more diverse force.

Kneedles
19-07-2010, 03:11
My group used to play 2250. Now we are probably going to play 2400. only 4 of the 6 of us have the models to play 3000 if we wanted to, but 2400 makes easy math.

Also I thought that OVER 3k was when you get the grand army stuff for extra special and rare duplicates.

spiderman5z
19-07-2010, 03:33
new standard is gonna be 500 pts :D

Dungeon_Lawyer
19-07-2010, 03:34
New 2000? Here in the States it was 2250.

Now I'm thinking 2500.

YEAH for tournament play I think it will scale up to 2500 too

Billy
19-07-2010, 03:38
At my LGS in Ontario Canada we are running 2200pts. This way 25% breaks down into a tidy 550pts.

Billy
19-07-2010, 03:43
What's with this whole 'armies will be bigger in 8th' thing. Is it that some people want to keep the army they've got, just now add 10 ranks on to everything to cheese it out?

I say keep the point sizes as they are, and make people choose between having uber large units and a more diverse force.

I think most ppl want to play in the 2250pt range because alot of people had tier 2 lists. So going to 2000pts would be scaling down for alot of players.

As for the people who want to go to 3000pts that sounds like craziness. This will scare off new-comers even more because a standard army will cost more $$$.

Aluinn
19-07-2010, 03:46
Why would you need to house rule the percentages? They were intended to scale up and down. I guess including lords could be an issue in small games.

It really isn't much of one when you can't afford to give them anything. I mean I can take a level 4 Empire Wizard Lord in 1k, and that's the most broken thing I can actually think of given the power of new magic in general and some of the Lores in particular, but he'll be on foot with not much in the way of protection, and thus a pretty easy target. The best one can really do there (with all of 40 points for items) is a 5+ Ward, or like Opal Amulet plus some minor casting-aid item.

Most Lords pay substantially more per point of stats (and also to gain protection, mobility, etc. by way of upgrades) than something like a Rare monster. Their scariness lies mostly in their ability to be tooled up, but in low-point games they're really just a statline (or caster level).

Well, obviously Inspiring Presence is a big deal, especially if you can get Ld9/10, but I don't think that's primarily what's worrying anyone about Lords in small games.

About game sizes I have to second CaptScott. The Horde rule is absurdly overhyped and no reason to go to larger games even if you do want to make use of it. Steadfast is entirely relative, and so will have the same effect in games of any size, really.

Some people seem to think they can win some kind of imaginary new-rules arms race by scaling up the points of their armies, but your 5-rank deep horde of HElf spearmen will have to face equally crazy things across the board as your opponent has every bit as many resources to work with. You can keep adding ranks until you're blue in the face (or, ah, your modelling knife/brush hand permanently cramps up :)) but you know, your opponent can just keep adding as many points worth to their own hordes, or a bunch more template weapons, a bunch more magic, etc. The unit that you're buffing up by increasing the points of your army never actually gets relatively better, in the abstract.

Dark_Knight
19-07-2010, 06:48
This is a topic I have been wondering about for some time. I think GW intentionally planted the seed for bigger games. It sells miniatures and preps the gaming community for Apocalypse sized games. Warhammer offers game sizes for every variety of player so I would caution the extreme thought of 2250 being the standard game size for all. I think in the instance of a general tourney list size 2k to 2250 will still be the standard due to game length. Although I am hearing that the game is being played quicker of late because of the new rules in which case 2500 point might be more likely.

Personally I love epic big games. It takes time, money, and tons of effort planning but it is always fun to do with friends. I have a busy life so I don't get to play as often as I'd like so I would rather play a big game to get as many of my units on the table. Just my opinion on the subject. 2500 points as a generally agreed game size would be fun though.

Fobster
19-07-2010, 07:05
from what i understand 2500 will be the standard game. From what I've played the game is a lot more fast paced with more casualties, so for a game lasting roughly an evening 2.5k will be about the same as 2k was.

Blackwolf
19-07-2010, 09:51
GT will be 2000 points so you will probably see a lot of the tournaments at 2000 points.

LordZombie
19-07-2010, 11:41
My gaming group has upped the points to 2500 with the option for 3000 if anyone wants to play it. We have 4 gaming tables and 10 people and game for 6 hours. With those factors, we still got 7 games in with one game at 3000 points. The new rules do speed up the game with deaths happening in almost every phase, even movement. As many have stated, there really is no real reason to up the points outside the lord/hero options. The more the points the bigger the characters.

kylek2235
19-07-2010, 11:55
2500pts has been the standard in southern Louisiana for a number of years now, but I'm debating raising it to 2750pts, but capping character selection as if it were 2000pts. The whole point of making the tournies here 2500pts was that no one ever changed their character selection based on the points limit, so there was 500 extra points of troops on the table.

After Bayou Battles, the last large scale 7th ed tourney I'm going to, I'll run a few months of 8th ed at our standard 2500pts and see what we get, but the most likely is a point increase with a character cap. It really depends on how fast the games run.

Windings of a snake
19-07-2010, 12:00
Most often i played games of 3 K in 8th. It did work out very well and was fun. After playing about ten games against numerous opponents it has been obvious to be the most funny.

The SkaerKrow
19-07-2010, 13:17
With the US Throne of Skulls going to 2k, I expect that a lot of tournaments here will follow suit. I know that my group is scaling down from 2,250 to 2,000 because of it (which is ironic, since we were all set to try out 2,400).

PARTYCHICORITA
19-07-2010, 13:27
Here in Peru we are trying out 2999pts in order to have bigger armies with more units and magic making less of a difference.
So far it seems more fun.