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orion194
23-08-2010, 00:09
I feel like a total idiot for saying this but where do I get commissars with chainswords

I'm trying to make an all foot guard army and in the middle of Piecing together my first platoon i realized i didn't have any commissars. I looked around for about an hour on GW and the internet as a whole but came up with nothing other than commissars with power weapons. Is there really no other choice then to convert from the power weapon ones?

LonelyPath
23-08-2010, 00:12
I think 1 of the Commissars comes with both chainsword and power sword arms in the blister, I can't remember which one though.

sigur
23-08-2010, 00:14
Don't worry. For once, power weapons can be declared a regular close combat weapon very easily. Second, at least one of the old Commissars has a regular close combat weapon. Third, the Valhallan Lieutenant has a Chainsword and will go for a Commissar very easily. Fourth, it's pretty easy to swap a sword from some guy's hand. :)

bigcheese76
23-08-2010, 00:14
I dont think there is one, at least not still in production.

You have two options really.
1. Convert a commissar to be carrying the weapon of your choice which wont be too difficult on some of the commissar models, but quite challenging on others.

2. Look back at older minatures. This ( http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eBP4Zyv0tbk/ScFmtjiZtZI/AAAAAAAAAFk/0Jn9W8XBVAU/s400/m1280289_99060105254_IGValhallanOfficerSwordPistol Main_445x319.jpg ) Valhallan Commander looks very commissarial and carries a chainsword. He is used as a commissar in my army. Certain Mordian officers may also do the job.

orion194
23-08-2010, 00:43
well thanks guys your advice has been quite helpful

DaSpaceAsians
23-08-2010, 01:51
I think 1 of the Commissars comes with both chainsword and power sword arms in the blister, I can't remember which one though.

This friendly looking fella

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440247a&prodId=prod1070037

What happened to the other ones?

Sgt John Keel
23-08-2010, 01:51
I think 1 of the Commissars comes with both chainsword and power sword arms in the blister, I can't remember which one though.

It's this one: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440247a&prodId=prod1070037 Edit: Sniped, bah!

Curiously, all the other Commissar models released with Apocalypse seems to have disappeared from the site.

Chiron
23-08-2010, 02:19
They seem to have removed the collectors range and all the old troops/commissars entirely

jason_sation
23-08-2010, 02:28
They've been missing for a while (like a month at least)? It is kind of annoying. I'm assuming it was due to reshuffling of stuff on the website, but I'm not sure why they aren't back yet.

Also, just to echo what was said above, I have the Commissar show in the link above, and he DOES come with an arm holding a chainsword!

Not to derail this thread, but I really wish they'd put the priest with the Eviscerator somewhere on their site!

UPDATE: If you follow the links on the Commissar showcase, they come up:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=cat440247a&aId=13500003

However, when I search on the site for "Commissars" they don't. Hm...

Sgt John Keel
23-08-2010, 02:33
They seem to have removed the collectors range and all the old troops/commissars entirely

The old troops and at least the Steel Legion commissar are now to be found under the "collectors" tab, and not under the "armies" tab.

Chiron
23-08-2010, 02:41
The old troops and at least the Steel Legion commissar are now to be found under the "collectors" tab, and not under the "armies" tab.

Got it, yet another reason the GW website is made of utter fail on every level. Empty of Commissars but at least we can still order the decent guardsmen from the site

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1490651&rootCatGameStyle=




UPDATE: If you follow the links on the Commissar showcase, they come up:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=cat440247a&aId=13500003

However, when I search on the site for "Commissars" they don't. Hm...

Indeed, they come up under related products and are supposed to be under the HQ section of the guard listing

edit 3: and now the guard hq section has 3 commissars under it, confusing

lazy.sarge
23-08-2010, 07:25
Not to derail this thread, but I really wish they'd put the priest with the Eviscerator somewhere on their site!

I agree!! And as for the OPs question, I recommend fielding them with power weapons anyway, but that's juts my opinion

thearchiver
23-08-2010, 10:18
I'm using http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1490651&prodId=prod1130427

And he comes with the added bonus of being a few bucks cheaper.

Killgore
23-08-2010, 11:32
The two Death Korps Commisars look great in any Guard army and are only a few quid more expensive then the GW guys


http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Death-Korps-of-Krieg/DEATH-KORPS-OF-KRIEG-COMMISSAR.html


http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Death-Korps-of-Krieg/DEATH-KORPS-OF-KRIEG-COMMISSAR-2.html

The Powersword on this one can be painted silver to look like a normal non powered blade

Askil the Undecided
23-08-2010, 13:15
Ta Da!

Mordian Officer (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1490651&prodId=prod1130427)

Another Mordian Officer (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1490651&prodId=prod1130428)

Valhallan Officer (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1490651&prodId=prod1130433)

Commissar "with power sword" (also comes with chainsword) but has a plasma pistol. (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440247a&prodId=prod1070037)

ehlijen
23-08-2010, 13:33
Using the Officer cap heads in the Cadian command box or vehicle boxes, you can make passable commisars out of the regular bits as well.

carldooley
23-08-2010, 14:03
I really liked the DKoK tank commissar sculpt, so I ordered a few. When they come in, I'll cut some of my guys 'at the knees' and I'll have commissariat models that I love.

as to collectors range stuff, they moved it instead of removing it.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1490651&rootCatGameStyle=

LonelyPath
23-08-2010, 14:19
Using the Officer cap heads in the Cadian command box or vehicle boxes, you can make passable commisars out of the regular bits as well.

I've done this myself and they look pretty good once they're painted up.

Also, the Valhallan Lieutenant with chainsword makes a great Commissar, I one mine for that :)

Erwos
23-08-2010, 14:53
At the risk of telling you what you want, if you're fielding lots of commissars, don't you want them to have power weapons and fists? It's generally accepted that commissars only make much sense in horde armies, which are the one IG army that may see a lot of assault.

orion194
25-08-2010, 06:27
I never got the point of putting the power weapons for the commissars I was of the mind that best case Scenario 12 str 3 power attacks, 6 hit on average, and 2 cause wounds and deaths. All for 60 points extra I never saw the point. They can't take fists unless they are in a platoon command squad or company, base infantry squads cannot.

I am fielding a horde army in the end i plan to have no vehicles in it except maybe a few chimeras >3 and 2 manticores. The rest would be all platoons and a beefy command squad

lazy.sarge
25-08-2010, 08:15
Why is best case 12 attacks?

If you're playing horde add Straken, counter-attack is awesome, plus his furious charge can be a reaction to whoever has charged your boys

orion194
25-08-2010, 23:20
I put twelve for the max as not charging because why would I charge ever? The extra shots are always worth it but I forgot about Straken and didn't account for counter attack and furious charge that now makes those now attacks number 18 and awsome at str 4 and I 4 wow now thats useful but at 60 pts its damn expensive but awsome soooo... oooh hard decesion I will play with the numbers.

Chiron
25-08-2010, 23:45
I didnt think Counter Attack and Furious Charge applied for anyone other than Space Puppies?

orion194
26-08-2010, 02:31
Nope Straken gives it to everybody within 12"

lazy.sarge
26-08-2010, 07:04
I put twelve for the max as not charging because why would I charge ever? The extra shots are always worth it but I forgot about Straken and didn't account for counter attack and furious charge that now makes those now attacks number 18 and awsome at str 4 and I 4 wow now thats useful but at 60 pts its damn expensive but awsome soooo... oooh hard decesion I will play with the numbers.

Still not sure how your maths is working. If you're talking 60 points I assume you mean 1 x commissar + 5 x sergeants. Both have two attacks base + one for two cc wpns = 3 attacks each = 18 for 6 blokes or 24 with counter attack. This will mess almost any unit up.

Edit: Oh and counter attack and furious charge don't stack so they're still at str 3

ehlijen
26-08-2010, 07:19
Unless you're actually charging yourself in which case you get a real charge bonus and Furious Charge.

orion194
26-08-2010, 19:38
ah I forgot the the pistol an power weapon... so it is 24, nice

Really I though furious charge and counter attack stacked aw :(

Edi: looked around on web real quick found space wolf FAQ look at page 4
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m800008a_FAQ_SpaceWolves_2009

it shows that furious charge and counter attack work togther


sooo that what i originally thought was 12 str3 I3 power weapon attacks is actually 24 str4 I4 power weapon attacks for 60 pts and I already had creed so replacing him with straken is minimal... damn thats awsome.. wheres the craft knife and power swords gotta pop off some chainswords from my sergeants ironically defeating the purpose for starting the thread

ehlijen
27-08-2010, 01:09
orion:

You might want to look again, in particular at this http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m800008a_FAQ_SpaceWolves_Jan2010 which was released just under a month after the document you found and therefore supercedes it.

In it, Furious Charge and Counter attack are specifically noted as not working together.

lazy.sarge
27-08-2010, 03:16
damn thats awsome.. wheres the craft knife and power swords gotta pop off some chainswords from my sergeants ironically defeating the purpose for starting the thread

Indeed, even without FC and CA stacking it's still a good deal.

Gaargod
27-08-2010, 03:39
Ignoring all the odd things like Furious/counter charging (hell, ignore charging all together. You're guard, its not happening a lot).

Platoon of 30 men + 3 PW sergeants + PW commissar. That unit is LD9 stubborn rerollable (at the loss of sergeants, unless you have a banner around).

In other words, that unit is sticking around. It can happily pin down a couple of mediocre combats squads all game. But with the power weapons, it will actually slowly hack them apart too.

Consider further - its 2 wounds versus a space marine squad. Now with another ~18 (casualties) attacks, that's another wound for 3 wounds total. That'll happily reduce even a full stength squad to overpriced chowder in less than 2 player turns.

Its also worth considering its still 2 wounds a turn verus termies (before ++saves) and 1 wound a turn versus, say, nid monsters. Yes, you will kill those nid beasties long, long before they kill your platoon.
Guard combat for the win.



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Bunnahabhain
27-08-2010, 11:34
Using the Officer cap heads in the Cadian command box or vehicle boxes, you can make passable commisars out of the regular bits as well.

Yes, they look good. And If you have bough some pistoleers for your rough riders, you can get these:
http://www.bitsandkits.co.uk/empire-empire-pistoleers-c-114_117_208.html

The one listed as cloak A in particular is very good for commissars.


I put twelve for the max as not charging because why would I charge ever? .

To deny the enemy the charge. If you are almost doubling your attacks, and denying the enemy extra attacks, and furious charge, etc, etc then of course you charge, as self defence. Only hold back and fire if your fire should render the enemy charge so weak as to be not scary.

How about a common example, a boyz mob. You let them charge, they're getting 4 attacks each, at S4, and I3- the same time as your 1 attack each. You charge them, they're getting 3 S3 attacks each, after you've had your 2 attacks each.

quick bit of mathhammer. 30 boys vs 30 man blob squad with commissar- just doing the CC, not bothering with the sluggas, flamers, or other firepower about...

30 boys get the charge they do ~35 casualties to the guard unit, who will do 4-5 casualties back. Guard wiped out.

30 men get the charge on the boys, they do ~10 casulties on the boys,and take 13 back. They stick around, 20 boys vs 17 guard. 3-4 boys die, 7-8 guardsmen, Guardsmen stick about. 17 boys vs 10 Guard. 2-3 boys die, 5-6 Guardsmen. Guardsmen stick about. 2-3 boys die, guardsmen probabaly wiped out, ~14 Orks survive, having been held up for 4 rounds of combat.

If we add in some firepower to the above model, things change somewhat. If the Orks hit a weakened Blob, say down to 20 men, they still win. Big deal.

If the Guard weaken the mob, again down to 20, before charging, then the Guard have the numbers to grind the orks down, rather than the other way round, and the orks probably lose.

In the way 40k is set up, it is far too rare that if you are able to charge, you won't wish to.....

lazy.sarge
29-08-2010, 01:22
Guard combat for the win.

This...

This is your objective holder, now you just need an objective taker

kickthetv643
29-08-2010, 10:57
the commisar blister with the plasma pistol comes with both chainsaw and power sword. its 8 from gw website.

orion194
29-08-2010, 18:12
So I went to gw and just bought the one with plasma pistol and power wep and chanisword. After 10 min I had one with a bolt pistol also got the one with a baton and bolt pistol. I'm cutting the tip off a sword and gluing it into the ground like its been shoved in the ground while he executes a guardsmen.

Thanks guys for all the help and advice

P.S. pics to follow

lazy.sarge
30-08-2010, 06:58
So I went to gw and just bought the one with plasma pistol and power wep and chanisword. After 10 min I had one with a bolt pistol also got the one with a baton and bolt pistol. I'm cutting the tip off a sword and gluing it into the ground like its been shoved in the ground while he executes a guardsmen.

Thanks guys for all the help and advice

P.S. pics to follow

Good man, commissars FTW, here's one of mine