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Gingerwerewolf
05-01-2011, 17:30
Over the last three and a half decades GW has produced lots of things, including T Shirts and Jumpers, Record Bags, Records (yes they had a Record Label called Warhammer Records) Belt Buckles.

So, if GW restrated producing things outside the hobby side of things, what sort of things would you buy?

What things would you want to see?

Also any designs for the above suggestions you think would work.

dragonet111
05-01-2011, 17:36
I would like T-shirts with the symbol of the army and famous quotes. Like the big I of the Inquisition with Innocence Proves Nothing.

Korraz
05-01-2011, 17:38
Real dice (if they are of at least decent quality, not the stuff they are currently selling) with army signs.

brightblade
05-01-2011, 17:44
At a gamesday a few years back I ended up having a long chat with one of the product development guys and I brought this very subject up.

Long story short; he said gw is not in the business of spin off merchandise and wanted to concentrate on it's core products. I was angling after t-shirts, cups and prints of design art (Jes Goodwin art mainly)he said he understood that there was broad interest in other products but there was just no plan for it.

You can see the lack of interest gw has in specialist games (what would we give for hulk or bloodbowl expansions and Epic or Heroquest being redone)so it is no surprise that there are not many gw t-shirts about. There could be so many cool designs too. :rolleyes:

Bunnahabhain
05-01-2011, 17:58
Decent, tightly written rules, that allowed us to use our models more flexibly, without half of them being hopelessly unbalanced, and without a mass of ' That doesn't make sense' moments...

And for GW to, once they have written such rules, not to randomly stop publishing them.

Their Specialist games contained the best rules they have ever written, and the worst support this side of the Squats...

fantasypisces
05-01-2011, 18:12
I would be all for t-shirts as t would be a great way to show your army and pride in your hobby. As of right now if you attempted to make one with the warhammer logo then you would run the risk of getting sued, which I doubt is pleasant.

Chem-Dog
05-01-2011, 18:52
Tees, cups, hoodies, pins & badges.
Mobile phone apps, wallpapers and stuff.

Basically, if I had even the vaguest need for it and there was a 40K branded version of it, I'd deffinitely consider buying it.

Wintermute
05-01-2011, 18:52
I'm moving this thread to GW General

Wintermute

Crube
05-01-2011, 18:59
The thing is, many of these ideas have been previously produced, and were stopped due to lack of demand :D

As well as not being the 'core focus' they took a lot of resources (comparatively) for little return (compararively). Stuff like mobile phone wall papers and screensavers were tried (and I have read a few requests here for such things), yet although they were publicised in WD, the most popular one sold less than 100 units...

Same with T Shirts - in retail, we had racks of T shirts. We sold about 1 a month, if we were lucky. In the 12 months i was in a store, we ordered T Shirts as a restock, once...

Faeslayer
05-01-2011, 19:29
I would like a Power Klaw version of Hulk Hands.

Finn Sourscowl
05-01-2011, 20:09
More D-Rok!!

Oblivion is one top rock album :D

E-Dog
05-01-2011, 20:11
I would buy t-shirts, hoodies, beltbuckles...heck, just about anything that had a chaos symbol on it.:evilgrin:

It would have to be that tho', army specific stuff, I would'nt want a shirt with just the GW logo.

Crube
05-01-2011, 20:19
More D-Rok!!

Oblivion is one top rock album :D

Oh Yeah \m/


Seriously - I'm still looking for a CD version - can't find it anywhere...

It's a shame about the WH records - IIRC Sabbat had just signed before they stopped it... even gave away a 45rpm flexidisc in WD one month...

yabbadabba
05-01-2011, 20:42
They have tried this so many times and continously get no where with it. The list would be long though, but ultimately unprofitable :(

TheBigBadWolf
05-01-2011, 21:41
They still make t-shirts, mugs, hats, mouse mats, a cool usb data stick in the shape of a warhammer for the Warhammer World Eclusive Merchandise, I only bought a bottle of Bugmans last time.

yabbadabba
05-01-2011, 21:45
They still make t-shirts, mugs, hats, mouse mats, a cool usb data stick in the shape of a warhammer for the Warhammer World Eclusive Merchandise, I only bought a bottle of Bugmans last time.Warhammer World negotiates for that sort of stuff seperately. It sees itself as a marketable brand in its own right under the GW banner.

eldargal
06-01-2011, 07:18
40k motif cotton circle dresses would be lovely.:rolleyes:

violenceha
06-01-2011, 07:33
Bugman stubby holder! In fact i'd need two, one for each hand.

Angelwing
06-01-2011, 07:34
40k motif cotton circle dresses would be lovely.:rolleyes:

Well to be honest when they flogged tshirts, the larger sizes had to fit the larger gamer. The biggest size could double as a dress for a smaller person.:p
I worked as a reshirt when GW sold tshirts. The popular designs sold out quick, leaving the unpopular stuff on the hangers. We couldn't order specific designs as they where flash releases so lost a fair few sales. For example, the Necromunda tshirts came in batches of mixed House symbols. The Escher one's sold out. The goliath and Cawdor didn't sell too well, but we couldn't order in more escher shirts. However as I have no idea of the profit GW was making on these things (as they themselves didn't actually manufacture them) it might not have actually been worth GW's while to send more out. Better to sell through and not be left with too much dead stock.

Nephilim of Sin
06-01-2011, 07:45
They have tried this so many times and continously get no where with it. The list would be long though, but ultimately unprofitable :(

Probably the best way to market things along these lines would be through something like ThinkGeek.

Besides, if they made it seem even more exclusive, people would be all over it.

And I would love a bottle of Bugmans. That would be epic.

eldargal
06-01-2011, 07:51
Pfft, I dont want to wear an oversized t-shirt, I want to wear a proper dress like this (http://static.ykbstore.com/v/vivienofholloway/products/a06a6dcf6cd58adf139fefd749a5fd95.jpg), but with a 40k motif. Eldar runes or even the Ecclesiarchy symbol.;)
Regarding t-shirts, a friend of mine has a print on demand novelty t-shirt company, you choose one from a gallery of designs and she prints one. I don't see why GW couldn't do it, no overstock and the start up/maintenance costs are very low apparently.

Gingerwerewolf
06-01-2011, 09:32
I'm moving this thread to GW General

Wintermute

Apologies I didnt even know there was a GW General ;)

Gingerwerewolf
06-01-2011, 09:55
In answering my own question Id say that subtle t shirts would rock, things like "Innocence proves nothing" on the front in small text and then the Inquisitional I on the back.

The Badges were ace, would love them to come back.

I do think that GW did the wrong stock management option back in the day, I can confirm what "Angelwing" said as I was a redshirt then and it was aweful. I remember ringing around all the London Stores for a customer trying to find one store that had a Crux Terminatus Hoody (that sold out in seconds) and on the day of delivery everyone had sold out.

yabbadabba
06-01-2011, 10:05
I do think that GW did the wrong stock management option back in the day, I can confirm what "Angelwing" said as I was a redshirt then and it was aweful. I remember ringing around all the London Stores for a customer trying to find one store that had a Crux Terminatus Hoody (that sold out in seconds) and on the day of delivery everyone had sold out. I have to ask, what is wrong with that on a limited run product?

Gingerwerewolf
06-01-2011, 10:22
I have to ask, what is wrong with that on a limited run product?

I kinda see what you mean, but I feel that a company like GW should try to read the market a little better. If they see that the sales of an item are that fast, they should do a second run, or add units to the initial batch.

A lot of the time it feels like GW hedges its bets and would rather sell out completely of an item than produce a few too many but sell far more.

They used to do that and had the occational sale to clear up on their stock. When was the last sale?

Anyway Ive successfully moved myself off topic here.

yabbadabba
06-01-2011, 10:33
I kinda see what you mean, but I feel that a company like GW should try to read the market a little better. If they see that the sales of an item are that fast, they should do a second run, or add units to the initial batch. A lot of the time it feels like GW hedges its bets and would rather sell out completely of an item than produce a few too many but sell far more. I tend to feel that GW have been burnt too many times on products like these, and prefer to be safe than sorry. You would know the minds of people like Mark Wells and others - they cannot accept the idea that a non-seasonal product range needs sales, and there is a correct view that not only do sales devalue your products and cost you money, they also upset your sales figures in such a niche market.


They used to do that and had the occational sale to clear up on their stock. When was the last sale? Again the question, appropriate here, is in a company like GW isn't a sale an admission of poor sales, stock control and prediciton of a line? Over the years alot of these "other products" have ended up in GW sales, often reduced to rock bottom prices just to clear. They have even been given away in a desperate attempt to get rid of the stock.

As a customer I obviously see the benefit of a sale to me. As an ex-business man I question the value to my company of a sale on non-seasonal items which I could have avoided through better stock control, production and promotion (and as such get the full price on all the products!). And thats the danger with these "other products", they can be a real liability.

Angelwing
07-01-2011, 06:18
And thats the danger with these "other products", they can be a real liability.

Those blasted combat cards. Didn't move except when they had to be dusted. As you say much better to sell out a limited run. I think many of these things are only truly wanted well after they are gone. Much like certain miniature ranges. Our epic 40k sales were awful. Stuff for it now is like gold dust on ebay. In fact didn't I read somewhere that some of the prices paid for tyranid infantry sprues actually exceeded the price of gold in terms of weight, or was that hyperbole?

IJW
07-01-2011, 10:30
That's either hyperbole or someone getting the decimal point in the wrong place. Tyranid sprues go for anything up to 20 which is pretty insane, but Epic sprues weigh around 15g and gold currently costs 28/g.

So a sprue's weight in gold would be hundreds of pounds...

zhu bajie
07-01-2011, 16:16
I've got a Gobbeldigook t-shirt buried in a box somewhere! Ace! I also found (and have lost again) a Crimson Fists sew-on-patch.

At one point the Black Library used to do the wider merchandising, like t-shirts and stuff, but now they seem to just do the novels. FFG are doing GW boardgames and RPGs. I'd think there is a gap for an entrepreneurial t-shirt company to make some small bucks selling Imperial eagle t-shirts, tho' I don't think they'd have access to the GW retail distribution chain or WD advertising space, so their goign to have to do a lot of legwork for what should be a easy, casual purchase.

Bugmans Beer would be great. Hobgoblin Brewery should definitely apply for a merchandising license.

Herne the hunter
07-01-2011, 19:11
If they're priced anything like the non-model products they produce now then I likely wouldn't even entertain the idea.

I love it everytime I'm paying for something at the counter and the staff ask if I need superglue. It gives me an opportunity to pretend I don't know how much it costs and then look shocked and say "Christ, what vintage is it?"

Angelwing
08-01-2011, 08:57
That's either hyperbole or someone getting the decimal point in the wrong place. Tyranid sprues go for anything up to 20 which is pretty insane, but Epic sprues weigh around 15g and gold currently costs 28/g.

So a sprue's weight in gold would be hundreds of pounds...

I thought so. It's still an eyebrow raiser when you see the basic infantry boxes going for 50+ though....

blongbling
08-01-2011, 09:14
I've got a Gobbeldigook t-shirt buried in a box somewhere! Ace! I also found (and have lost again) a Crimson Fists sew-on-patch.

At one point the Black Library used to do the wider merchandising, like t-shirts and stuff, but now they seem to just do the novels. FFG are doing GW boardgames and RPGs. I'd think there is a gap for an entrepreneurial t-shirt company to make some small bucks selling Imperial eagle t-shirts, tho' I don't think they'd have access to the GW retail distribution chain or WD advertising space, so their goign to have to do a lot of legwork for what should be a easy, casual purchase.

Bugmans Beer would be great. Hobgoblin Brewery should definitely apply for a merchandising license.
Bbugmans isnt a unique beer, it is anther beer brewed by a local brewery that they buy in and sell as Bugmans.

As for Tshirts, the reason that GW stopped doing them is that they didn't sell and any other company attempting to do it would need a license and all the ball ache that comes with it

jack da greenskin
08-01-2011, 21:35
and any other company attempting to do it would need a license and all the ball ache that comes with it

Ball ache?

"Oi, T-shirt company. We have a market of fanatic fans that will most likely buy T-shirts in a series of sizes, if you do the popular logos. We will let you sell them, but give us a cut. Sincerely, Games-thieving-ignorant-lazy-stupid-annoying-moneygrabbing-bloody-workshop.

jack da greenskin
08-01-2011, 21:45
and any other company attempting to do it would need a license and all the ball ache that comes with it

Ball ache?

"Oi, T-shirt company. We have a market of fanatic fans that will most likely buy T-shirts in a series of sizes, if you do the popular logos. We will let you sell them, but give us a cut. Sincerely, Games-thieving-ignorant-lazy-stupid-annoying-moneygrabbing-bloody-workshop.

yabbadabba
08-01-2011, 22:54
Ball ache?
"Oi, T-shirt company. We have a market of fanatic fans that will most likely buy T-shirts in a series of sizes, if you do the popular logos. We will let you sell them, but give us a cut. Sincerely, Games-thieving-ignorant-lazy-stupid-annoying-moneygrabbing-bloody-workshop. So I take it you have extensive experience in the Licence Trade - can you explain why Blongbling would get this wrong?

blongbling
10-01-2011, 15:12
Ball ache?

"Oi, T-shirt company. We have a market of fanatic fans that will most likely buy T-shirts in a series of sizes, if you do the popular logos. We will let you sell them, but give us a cut. Sincerely, Games-thieving-ignorant-lazy-stupid-annoying-moneygrabbing-bloody-workshop.

more like, right here are the designs you are allowed to use, and we want sign off on all the shirts once you have put the design on them, and they need to be a certain quality, and you have only certain sales channels you can use...then there is the cut, oh and by the way you will need to pay a licence fee of 100,000 before we even take you seriously

The Inevitable One
10-01-2011, 21:12
I was rummaging through some stuff and found that Games Workshop used to produce "battle cards" back in the day.

TheMav80
10-01-2011, 21:52
You would think it would be easy to use any number of the print on demand t-shirts sites out there.

I have bought plenty of t-shirts that way from various peoples.

AndrewGPaul
10-01-2011, 22:31
You can do, yes. However, licensors tend to like a bit more input as to the design and manufacturing quality control than you get by just opening a cafepress account.

Which is the reason, by the way, that the Babylon 5 miniatures game licence has ended twice since the end of the show - it simply wasn't worth Warner's time to manage it for the tiny income it returned.

feeder
11-01-2011, 20:48
I want a Chaos Warrior stuffie. Or an Orc. You know, a plush toy. Then I could carve a bloody swathe through my daughter's Barbie dolls.

Ravenous
11-01-2011, 21:15
At a gamesday a few years back I ended up having a long chat with one of the product development guys and I brought this very subject up.

Long story short; he said gw is not in the business of spin off merchandise and wanted to concentrate on it's core products. I was angling after t-shirts, cups and prints of design art (Jes Goodwin art mainly)he said he understood that there was broad interest in other products but there was just no plan for it.

You can see the lack of interest gw has in specialist games (what would we give for hulk or bloodbowl expansions and Epic or Heroquest being redone)so it is no surprise that there are not many gw t-shirts about. There could be so many cool designs too. :rolleyes:

Its weird because t-shirts are cheap to make, infact most bands make more money of live shows and merch then record sales.

My guess is that they need a place to stock them, the only time I ever saw the belt buckles or anything was at gamesday, the shops are small as is and filling it with shirts might not be the grandest of ideas.

EDIT:
Having said that though I do own the eldar craftworld rune tshirt I got from black library, and it is 2nd most expensive tshirt I ever bought at $75 after shipping...

brightblade
11-01-2011, 21:31
I agree, it is weird. I am not talking about turning gw into a clothes shop. Just a couple of things, maybe only available online, maybe a t-shirt to go with new army releases for a limited run? They would sell that is for sure but only as a bit of side fun.

Ho hum. :)

yabbadabba
11-01-2011, 21:36
I think its time to leave this thread. There are no new ideas or anything here, its all be done before and found wanting.