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streetsamurai
06-01-2011, 01:11
Yet another help me choose an army thread :rolleyes:


I'm thinking of starting playing 40k, and I don't know wich army to play. they all look so damn cool. I narrowed it down to these 3 races (I'm also interested in necron, but since theyr gonna be released in about a year, I'll do another army in the meantime), but i can,t decide between the 3.

I'm not a powergamer, so I couldn't care less if the army is tourney competitive .I want the force to be fun to pay, and offer lots of conversion possibility. also, I want it to be relatively few in numbers, since I'm a slow painter and tend to be a perfectionnist. Also, I want it to be in plastic as much as possible

Here are the pros and cons that I have identified for each army

Eldar: Really like theyr visual style, and seems like a fun ,flexible army to play. Would probably be my first choice if it wasn't for the fact that they lack plastic for theyr infantry. Only 2 in plastic ,guardians and dire avengers, and DA seems to be very monopose and boring (at least according to the pic on gw site). Also, I think it would be pretty hard to convert in plastic most of the different aspect warriors.

Tyranids : Even if they're pretty much a horde army, they seem relatively simple to paint, so I'm not too worried about it. I'm wondering if they're fun to play, or are only an all assault army without tactics. also, don't know if they offer a lot of conversion possibility.


chaos : Probably the army that offers the most coversion possibility, and a lot of theyr troops are in plastic. My main beef is that I would like to play a nurgle list, and nurgle seem to be neglected as far as plastic goes (plaguebearers look terrible and are the only daemeons core still in metal, as are the plague marines). Would like to know if anyone as good conversion idea for plague marines. also, wondering if they'are a fun army to play.


thanks

Mannimarco
06-01-2011, 01:40
Chaos: Ive seen people convert plaguebearers out of bloodletters and ghouls and FW do some really nice upgrade kits for those who dont like to work with metal and want somthing quick and easy so they dont have to convert plastic. The spawn kit is also a great source for parts for terminators and daemon princes, with the addition of FW stuff you can also play as the DG Legion if thats your thing.

HQ

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/NURGLE-CHAOS-MARINE-SORCERER.html (special character)

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/NURGLE-DAEMON-PRINCE-AND-HERALD.html (daemon special character)

ELITE

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/DEATH-GUARD-TERMINATOR-CONVERSION-SET.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/DEATH-GUARD-DREADNOUGHT.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/NURGLE-DREADNOUGHT.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/PLAGUE-OGRYN-LEADER.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/PLAGUE-OGRYN-1.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/PLAGUE-OGRYN-2.html

FAST ATTACK

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/NURGLE-BLIGHT-DRONE.html

TROOPS

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/DEATH-GUARD-CONVERSION-SET.html

HEAVY SUPPORT

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/NURGLE-PLAGUE-HULK.html

streetsamurai
06-01-2011, 01:46
never sqaw those fw nurgle kits

thanks a lot

If you have pics of the plaguebearer conversion would be really appreciated

Mannimarco
06-01-2011, 01:52
Heres some heresy blights if you dont mind non GW models

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/hv043.htm

and some plaguebearer conversions

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/259298.page

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=43965

-Loki-
06-01-2011, 01:56
Tyranids : Even if they're pretty much a horde army, they seem relatively simple to paint, so I'm not too worried about it. I'm wondering if they're fun to play, or are only an all assault army without tactics. also, don't know if they offer a lot of conversion possibility.

Not to put you off, but this is pretty deceptive. While using the new washes to paint Tyranids makes it easier than it used to be, painting completely organic models is far from simple. I can paint up a good Space Marine, but it takes quite a while to get the skin on Tyranids looking good.

Bestaltan
06-01-2011, 02:57
Tyranids : ....... I'm wondering if they're fun to play, or are only an all assault army without tactics. also, don't know if they offer a lot of conversion possibility.


Well, considering nearly half of the army doesn't even have a model in production anywhere, I'd say the conversion possibilities are high. ;)

As for tactics......Tactically, Tyranids right now are one of the most challenging armies to play. It's one of the reasons you don't see many Tyranid players at tournaments (though those few of us who are still running them finally seem to be, at least for me in my region, winning a lot with them). Most Tyranid lists have multiple weaknesses that have to be addressed not in the list, but in the tactics you employ with the list. It is a TOUGH codex to master.

SumYungGui
06-01-2011, 03:49
Both of the last two posts pretty much covered what I was going to say in relation to Tyranids. They are a horde army so painting them is always going to be a bit of a pain in the backside. Tactics? At it's core Tyranids are an assault army so that will always be your goal. If you try to be stand-offish you're going to lose and lose hard, but it's not anything at all like a point-and-click mindless Space Marine army. Compared to those guys you're going to have to be channeling Sun Tzu to accomplish your goals. Extremely rewarding when you get to that point though because you will be 'The Tyranid Guy' in a literal sea of copy-paste palette swapping marine armies.

Also conversions aren't an opportunity they're a necessity. Something like a third of the codex literally does not exist in any fashion.

Omniassiah
06-01-2011, 14:21
Also don't worry too much about the lack of plastics for Eldar. With the exception of Wraithguard, which are ridiculously overpriced for very poor models IMO, you won't need many of the metals in most cases. That's why GW has been hesitant to make them in plastic because most players just won't need a lot of them.

airgee
06-01-2011, 18:24
i personaly prefer chaos space marines due to thier versatility of conversion(slap some parts together and woila conversion from tentacle to dandy) i also find that as a first time 40k player point of view the csm may be easier for you to get into due to thier fairly easy handling in game terms.
also depending on how you want to kit out your force you will never have a HUGE army so you can take all the time you need, and as a great procrastinator myself throw on an undercoat and you can call them the black legion(only with mates, this wont fly at tournies)
anyway thats my thought on your predicament
may your games be good and the dice be kind

IronNerd
06-01-2011, 20:29
CSM! Chaos is Eternal! Yes, I'm a Chaos fan boy, and you should be too!

Bestaltan
07-01-2011, 00:50
Compared to those guys you're going to have to be consuming Sun Tzu to accomplish your goals.


Given that you're talking about 'Nids, I had to fix it.

-Loki-
07-01-2011, 01:22
Well, considering nearly half of the army doesn't even have a model in production anywhere, I'd say the conversion possibilities are high. ;)

Really?

Tervigons, Tyrannofexes, Mycetic Spores, Harpy, Doom of Malantai, Swarmlord, Old One Eye and Parasite of Mortrex. They don't have models.

Everything else has a model. Tyranid Primes are Tyranid Warrior leaders. Use a Tyranid Warrior. Ymgarl Genestealers are Genestealers with feeder tendrils. They come in the Genestealer box. Shrikes Forgeworld makes the wings for. Sky Slashers Forgeworld make.

Pretty sure 8 isn't half of 31.

Winterfell
07-01-2011, 01:49
I really wish there were more Chaos players out there. Sure they're just another PA army but since the core of the fluff in the game is Imperial vs Renegades it would be nice to get more games in against Chaos players. This doesn't really give you a great reason to choose them but I'd say if your already leaning CSM and haven't thought of the fluff aspect then its something to consider. Yes we SM players are ubiquitous but we need bad guys to fight so if you like PA armies then go Chaos!

Mannimarco
07-01-2011, 02:11
The thing is the current codex isnt that good (massive understatment but its a discussion best left for the monthly Chaos wishlist thread) and thats why I push FW stuff so strongly: It makes the CSM dex almost decent.

Bestaltan
07-01-2011, 02:13
Everything else has a model. Tyranid Primes are Tyranid Warrior leaders. Use a Tyranid Warrior. Ymgarl Genestealers are Genestealers with feeder tendrils. They come in the Genestealer box. Shrikes Forgeworld makes the wings for. Sky Slashers Forgeworld make.

Really?

So you base your argument by actually supporting mine, by stating that to get some units, you either have to convert your own (tyranid prime, which may or may not look like a tyranid warrior, as we have no model or picture to compare it to) or go to forgeworld (which players new to the hobby may not even know about). But wait, forgeworld doesn't have the units themselves, just ways to convert the units.

In addition, some of the units that you just waived off as having models have jack when it comes to weapon options. Arguably the most common layout for warriors is lashwhip/bonesword. Where are those options?

Ymgarl genestealers.......Well, sorry but they are far more than "genestealers with feeder tendrils". Oh, by the way, know how many feeder tendril heads come in a genestealer box? I'll tell you.......two.

So when you factor in Ymgarls, warrior options, primes, shrikes, and then factor out the completely useless unit entries (pyrovore, old one eye, who by the way DOES have a model, sky slashers), then yea........The actual functional codex has only about half of the units with actual models and/or kits in print.

Silent_Moebius
07-01-2011, 09:12
Yet another help me choose an army thread :rolleyes:

Tyranids : Even if they're pretty much a horde army, they seem relatively simple to paint, so I'm not too worried about it. I'm wondering if they're fun to play, or are only an all assault army without tactics. also, don't know if they offer a lot of conversion possibility.

I say: Take Tyranids. Why? First of all, they don't have to be a horde army. Only, when you want them to be that. I, for example, play a big bug list. This means, I have ~ 5 MC (Monstreous Creatures) and some medium / little bugs on the field. When I start the game there are ~ 30 Models on my side. Not a horde ;)

Painting isn't such easy. It is easy to paint liveless metal like power armor. At least, it was easier for me. Living objects doesn't have the same colour all over - the colour switches lightly. I had to make some runs to get my perfect painting style on Tyranids. And then the style looks different on little bugs compared to big bugs. But when you finished, they look more than great.

As the people said, we have some gasps with models, so you need to convert something. And even existing models can be converted very easy with a hugh "awesome" effect.

The last point is a different one: Are Tyranids making fun to play? First of all, only running to the enemy without a tactic is always a bad idea. So you always have a tactic (hopefully :D ). As you said, it IS an assault army. We have shooting, but nothing to build an entire army around it. We doesn't have a good AP for that.
The question, if Nids make fun to play: take proxies and give it a try. I love them all over. The punch a Big Bug can make is far from good and evil. Winged Hive Tyrants are the non plus ultra for me. And seeing how Termagants (our smallest Troop-unit) takes out entire squads of units that costs much more is priceless.

streetsamurai
07-01-2011, 23:58
good argument all around, the decision is still as hard as before ;)

streetsamurai
08-01-2011, 00:02
I've post the same question in the Modelling sub-forum, but got no answer, so I'll ask it again in this thread.

For a nurgle army. I'd like my lord to be a bug like sorcerer. think of using a tyranid ravener body, and put the terminator lord body on top, so he'll look like a big slime. (tough I'm wondering if it till look too much snake-like, slaanesh-like). Wonder if you guys think it will look good, and if the 2 kits would mesh together. Also wondering if anyone knows of a good bug like head I could put on him .


thanks

streetsamurai
08-01-2011, 00:02
Heres some heresy blights if you dont mind non GW models

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/hv043.htm

and some plaguebearer conversions

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/259298.page

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=43965



Those conversion are greatness

thanks a lot

Lord Wasa
08-01-2011, 00:18
haven't read anything here, sorry, but I just have to say Eladr.
Eladr all the way.


:p

bluenova
08-01-2011, 05:06
I play Eldar, SM and 'nids.

Eldar were the most fun to come up with a concept for (not 40k-ish but I based mine on Star Wars: The Clone Wars - paint scheme and army composition wise (avoiding certain Aspect Warriors and choosing others, regardless of how they play, as long as they fit the theme)).

SM (or CSM in this case - my regular opponent plays CSM) are the most fun for diversity - in play and converting models (so many options available).

Tyranids are just more fun (I have to declare bias here, they are my main army). You have to really think about the conversions, you have to think about the paint scheme (are those tongues and teeth suddenly stand out once you figure out what best complements the 'shell') and you have to think about the tactics: does an 'assault' force really have to run forwards, or can they lurk and pounce? You have to be cunning with 'nids.

So, how do you like to make your armies (build/convert, paint and play), that's the question? :)