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RunepriestRidcully
06-02-2011, 09:55
After watching the Donmar theater's production of King lear, it's got me thinking, has any one ever tried writing a "heresy" alternitive in which rather then the "burn, try and kill the emperor and loyalists" approach, the traitors are far more subtle, and try to do a king lear on the emperor? has anyone done one where the primarchs have to stop the emperor who has been driven insane, possibly by the astronomicon?

Dag
06-02-2011, 10:02
the emperor is 'supposedly' several facets of personalities who has a near immunitiy to the machinations of the warp. He's also incomparibly powerful and all 20 primarchs couldnt stop him if he even used an ounce of his full power "heresy mark1".

That would be a cool idea though, the seperate legions all renegade insead of falling to chaos just all gorilla hit n run to avoid the big E in encounters. Would be a fun campaign.

Dag
06-02-2011, 10:02
or just magnus NOT breaking the throne and thus stopping the big E from stopping the heresy.

Gingerwerewolf
06-02-2011, 10:21
A friend and I discussed the idea for the Alternate 40k Future where the Primarchs that fall to Chaos are swapped. So Horus defends his emperor from the evil machinations of Rogal Dorn etc.. We decided it was down to the fact that all the Primarchs who turned to chaos didnt get enough Hugs. :cries:

Alternative Histories are a great way of expanding ideas and themes of the 40k universe into different directions, but also for seeing why they did the things that did origionally.

In your case, why weild a sword when a pen is mightier? ;)

Sarapham
06-02-2011, 13:09
A friend and I discussed the idea for the Alternate 40k Future where the Primarchs that fall to Chaos are swapped. So Horus defends his emperor from the evil machinations of Rogal Dorn etc.. We decided it was down to the fact that all the Primarchs who turned to chaos didnt get enough Hugs. :cries:

Alternative Histories are a great way of expanding ideas and themes of the 40k universe into different directions, but also for seeing why they did the things that did origionally.

In your case, why weild a sword when a pen is mightier? ;)

You should check out the Dornian Heresy on bolter and and chainsword. :)

Sir_Turalyon
06-02-2011, 19:51
That's more or less when happened during Guilliman Heresy, only the Emperor was already powerless to interfere ;) . Roboute Guilliman, leader of the largest of Legions, took almost no part in fights of Heresy, then after dust settled showed up on winners' side with fresh Ultramarines, forced the depleted losers into the Eye of Terror, used that show of force to coerce the equally depleted winners into making him the new Warmaster, abused the position to break the Legions into smaller, formally independent Chapters, made sure the new Chapters in fact look up to whomever is in charge of Ultramarines and ensured that other Primarchs end up marginalized. Organiser and beaurocrat to the core, he encouraged similiar breakdown of other Imperial organisations, ensuring his position won't be challenged even after he's dead. And, just out of spite, he forced most of Primarchs to adapt the unpracticaly restrictive organisation described in his brainchild of book, which he unsuccesfully tried to force them to read for last century and half.

One of more mysterious theathers of Guilliman Heresy was the Caliban Civil War. Guilliman was aware that while Salamanders, Iron Hands and Raven Guard Legions were depleted in Istavaan drop massacre, Blood Angels lost their Primarch and White Scars and Imperial Fists took heavy casualties, these Legions could still oppose him, especially if rallied behind another strong Warmaster candidate. The Lion el Johnson was not only well known as master strategist, but commander of relatively fresh Legion and one of Primarchs responsible for ending the Siege of Terra. His Dark Angels did not fight in it per se, but arrived to lift it along with the Space Wolves, thus earning recognition without taking heavy casualties. Unlike Leman Russ, concerned more with independence and honour than political power, Johnson had ambtion to make a bid for Warmaster position and merits to rally support of loyal Legions behind his cause.

It's not known how part of Dark Angels Legion turned against el Johnson. Most of those aware of it's existance tend to believe it was started by Luther, Johnson's second in command, who was seduced by Chaos Gods. Having just lost the war, the Ruinous Powers made an attempt to support Guillman, knowing that fractured, beaurocratised Imperium he will create will be easier to face in long run. Others point to presence of Chapter Master Astelan, one of ring leaders in rebellion known both as opponent of Lion and admirer of Guilliman, as proof that rebellion was directly inspired by Guilliman himself. The most paranoid suggest the manipulation by Eldar and other xenos races, intent of preserving the Imperium able to oppose Chaos, but in no shape to exterminate them.

Regardless of reasons, the rebelion ended with disappearnce of Lion el Johnson. The survivors of Dark Angels Legion, dedicated to concealing the existance of rogue ex-members, marginalised themselves in Imperial politics, no harder to deal with than Blood Angels or Iron Hands. Seeing no better option, Corax and Jaghatai Khan alligned themselves with Ultramarines. Vulkan and Leman Russ, their Legions already depleted to Chapter size, decided to save what they can and traded their neutrality in return for autonomity. The only Primarch who tried to oppose the Heresy was the hero of Siege of Terra, Rogal Dorn, but with other Legions unwilling or unable to support his Imperial Fists, Guillman was free to force him to back down and all but remake his Legion in image of Ultramarines.

The history, of course, was written by the victor...