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Gilbert Gosseyn III
13-02-2011, 02:03
Which can be the base size for the new unit called "Mangler Squig" in the new O&G army book? (Rare, 65 pts., described as "several Squigs chained together" or similar, should anybody have a better description please post it :D, compulsory movement 3d6", destroyed if it touches any non-open ground terrain element, deals 2d6 S6 hits armor piercing then it moves in a random direction). Has anybody read the new book? Since it is unlikely the new model is going out soon, can you provide descriptions and possibly a good guess for the base size?

Rogzor87
13-02-2011, 02:17
I would say just put 4 bases together in a square and its that size. So if squigs are normally on a 20mm then make it a 40mm base. if they are on 25mm then put it on a 50mm base. but thats just my opinion.

Kalandros
13-02-2011, 05:40
40mm probably.

Voss
13-02-2011, 05:48
Which can be the base size for the new unit called "Mangler Squig" in the new O&G army book? (Rare, 65 pts., described as "several Squigs chained together" or similar, should anybody have a better description please post it :D, compulsory movement 3d6", destroyed if it touches any non-open ground terrain element, deals 2d6 S6 hits armor piercing then it moves in a random direction). Has anybody read the new book? Since it is unlikely the new model is going out soon, can you provide descriptions and possibly a good guess for the base size?

Honestly, since GW is inventing new bases sizes with almost every 'large thing' release, it doesn't matter. Cav models are on at least 3 different bases sizes now, theres, what, 6 or 7 for monsters with the giant spider, so pick one that seems appropriate, or just gather a bunch together and throw a dart at them.

At 65 points, I'd lean toward a 40 or 50 mm, but, eh. If they actually do a model it will probably be on a 40x80 or something absurd like that.

theorox
13-02-2011, 08:34
Surely it must be a round base? O.o

Theo

Urgat
13-02-2011, 08:42
Maybe it's two round bases :p

Jind_Singh
13-02-2011, 08:48
It's two GIGANTIC squigs chained together - one alone comes on 40mm base so AT least that big - maybe more??

I would hazard it's even a 40k Dreadnought base size

Spiney Norman
13-02-2011, 08:50
My brother had a load of larger round bases from making his juggernaughts for his khorne daemon army, I've just nicked a couple, now all i have to do is find some cheap chain...

Urgat
13-02-2011, 09:38
It's two GIGANTIC squigs chained together - one alone comes on 40mm base so AT least that big - maybe more??

I would hazard it's even a 40k Dreadnought base size

I don't know, for such a unit, the large the base, the better, obviously... That being said, they're going to make a model, they're going to give it a base it can stand on, and they won't give a second thought about anything else.

Avian
13-02-2011, 10:58
I've put in an order for 40K 60 mm round (dreadnought) bases for mine.

Morkash
13-02-2011, 14:09
So did I. The description deserves such a base, the smaller Terminatorbase is a joke. You just cannot fit enough stuff on it to justify it as Mangler Squig imo.
Edit: Found a 40k Orc Vehicle Bitz thingy on the GW website, with 2 chains and lots of other stuff. Seems like a good foundation with a few squigs. :)

Jind_Singh
13-02-2011, 21:59
It'll be the same base as the WOTR King's Champion for Dwarves - I do believe that's the same as a dreads base in 40k - can't see how it can be smaller than that

Flogger
16-02-2011, 06:25
60mm round is what my giant squig hopper will get, playing this model as mangler squig: http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp12/aldmhacxx/squigho3-pmshade1.jpg

Happy I finally get to use him as something else than a giant :)

Malorian
16-02-2011, 14:21
I'm still wondering if it's just going to be part of the second wave anyway...

Kalandros
16-02-2011, 18:06
The problem is when would this fabled 2nd wave be?

Lorcryst
16-02-2011, 18:14
The problem is when would this fabled 2nd wave be?

Well, if past releases/waves are any indication, somewhere between 3 and 9 months after the initial release ... so, maybe even this year.

Morkash
16-02-2011, 18:32
And there it would be nice, if we knew what stuff will come in a few months...

theorox
16-02-2011, 18:39
I bet on:

Goblins
Wolfriders
Wolfchariot, pack of 3.
(All plastic)

and some blisters, like:

Savage or Warboss
Some gobbo character(s)
Mangler squig.

That's my guess.

Theo

Dorack
17-02-2011, 12:26
I would certainly craft the Mangler Squig on a 40mm round or square base, simply because when they release a proper model, maybe it has a chariot base (random tought), so you could still use your model as unit filler with nice 40mm footprint.

Haravikk
17-02-2011, 12:44
now all i have to do is find some cheap chain...
If you've ever built a Plague Monk set then you probably have a ton of plastic chain bits, I recently made a raised drawbridge (for my Witchfate Tor, using the two wooden balcony pieces) by adding Plague Monk chains from their banners. A bit fiddly to get a proper length out of them, but surprisingly strong once set.

wamphyri101
17-02-2011, 20:03
Checked this the other day and its 40mm

Urgat
17-02-2011, 20:09
Where did you check this exactly?

ihavetoomuchminis
17-02-2011, 21:31
yes please! tell us!

popisdead
20-02-2011, 19:12
Useful things to look at are the number of Wounds, Movement, and Toughness, wounds being the most useful of those.

Then look at other monsters with similar stats to see. GW is moving towards larger bases (helps enemy infantry get more attacks against it).

When it comes down to things like this it's best judgement and opinion.

40 mm being the start. Just be open to rational gamers opinions on it.

ihavetoomuchminis
20-02-2011, 20:11
but i think it should come in a round base, because it has the same ruling as a Night goblin fanatic (one red crazy supersized fanatic). While i think it should come with a 40 mm round base....i find hard to put 2 Giant cave squigs chained in that base.

xxRavenxx
20-02-2011, 22:15
but i think it should come in a round base, because it has the same ruling as a Night goblin fanatic (one red crazy supersized fanatic). While i think it should come with a 40 mm round base....i find hard to put 2 Giant cave squigs chained in that base.

I made a thread on this same topic in the rules forums, before noticing this thread over here.

The thing that struck me about squigs (plural), is that in the fluff it implies multiples, but could be referring to multiple units.

Rules wise, the statline implies a singular squig. (Compare the mangler profile to the mount profile).

Fitting one big angry squig onto the base is much more doable.

Sharps
05-03-2011, 00:03
I called GW customer service today and he said there are two giant squigs chained together and should be mounted on two 40mm bases side by side?

Cragum
05-03-2011, 00:09
I called GW customer service today and he said there are two giant squigs chained together and should be mounted on two 40mm bases side by side?

your kidding right :confused::cries::confused:

that is a massive epic fail of customer service...

how would that even work!?

popisdead
05-03-2011, 00:13
After reading the fluff, that makes total sense. So I would assume minimum is 2 40 MM with 2-4 20mm night goblins behind them. sideways chariot base would work well

Cragum
05-03-2011, 00:20
After reading the fluff, that makes total sense. So I would assume minimum is 2 40 MM with 2-4 20mm night goblins behind them. sideways chariot base would work well

would you be able to post some of the fluff to explain it a bit better?

Urgat
05-03-2011, 07:33
The fluff is that there's two squigs, quite simply. But there's absolutly no point in using round bases if you're going to use two, you may as well use a rectangular base sideways ala Skarsnik.

Kalandros
05-03-2011, 08:51
The fluff is that there's two squigs, quite simply. But there's absolutly no point in using round bases if you're going to use two, you may as well use a rectangular base sideways ala Skarsnik.

It has no facing, it cannot charge, it cannot be charged, it works mostly like a fanatic.

Why would a round base not be the best choice? I'm using the very flat 60mm bases.

Korraz
05-03-2011, 19:02
It's a marker and marker should be on round bases. No issues with measuring.

GodlessM
05-03-2011, 19:20
Again can I ask why base size would matter in any case other than two units being side by side and the Mangler clipping one of them?

Avian
05-03-2011, 19:21
Template weapons, march blocking, panic ranges, etc.

Kalandros
05-03-2011, 19:23
Yeah, unlike fanatics, a destroyed Mangler will cause panic in goblins.

Urgat
06-03-2011, 21:31
It has no facing, it cannot charge, it cannot be charged, it works mostly like a fanatic.

Why would a round base not be the best choice? I'm using the very flat 60mm bases.

Two round bases, I said. As the GW redshirt said.

Squigkikka
06-03-2011, 22:16
The practice of releasing a unit with even so much as a picture, and even less a proper MODEL, is pretty terrible.

Cragum
06-03-2011, 22:36
it will be interesting to see when this unit is taken to a tourney and people start to question what is right and wrong.

Dutch_Digger
06-03-2011, 23:21
suppose theres a tourney in a month without the mangler model available. And then you convert something like 4 little chained squigs on a monsterbase with the intention to use it there.

What would happen? would the average judge allow it?

Shimmergloom
07-03-2011, 02:36
I have a tourney in a month and I am sure as heck not using 2 bases for a 1 model unit.

I'm gonna use a 40mm round base.

Kalandros
07-03-2011, 02:58
There's no point in using 2 bases.
A single 60mm round is the ideal base.

40mm is the base size used for ONE great cave squig (Night Goblin War/Big Boss mount)

drear
07-03-2011, 08:10
im using a 50mm square base, just because i dont want to mail order two 60mm round bases x.x

but if it comes to light that a 60mm round base is what it needs im sure a 50mm base can easily slot onto a 60mm

BaSe
07-03-2011, 09:56
Im going 40mm base. Im also only using 2 standard squigs with a chain. It represents the model fine but won't cost my over much :)

Urgat
07-03-2011, 10:54
There's no point in using 2 bases.
A single 60mm round is the ideal base.

40mm is the base size used for ONE great cave squig (Night Goblin War/Big Boss mount)

Are you replying to me? Because that's what I've been saying since the begining. And rereading myself I don't find my sentences to be particularly misleading either...

For now I'll just use the base from the terminator that came with a white dwarf and a big squig I sculpted a while ago, I'm not going to spend money in blind shots when GW has a tendancy to make new bases for everything they release these days.

Lorcryst
07-03-2011, 11:32
I'm using my BfSP Trolls as "count as" Mangler Squigs until GW release official models (rumoured to be in the eventual second wave).

Morkash
07-03-2011, 11:48
For now I'll just use the base from the terminator that came with a white dwarf and a big squig I sculpted a while ago, I'm not going to spend money in blind shots when GW has a tendancy to make new bases for everything they release these days.

If they really place the Manglers on a 40mm base or something else/new, then I'll just rebase my two on the new bases.
Squigs on a base on a base...or so. :eyebrows:

amysrevenge
07-03-2011, 14:48
suppose theres a tourney in a month without the mangler model available. And then you convert something like 4 little chained squigs on a monsterbase with the intention to use it there.

What would happen? would the average judge allow it?

Did the average judge allow Hellpit Abominations before we saw pics of the model? Yup.

Kalandros
07-03-2011, 15:54
Are you replying to me?
No, my reply was to the one directly before my post.

stashman
07-03-2011, 22:18
60mm round is what my giant squig hopper will get, playing this model as mangler squig: http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp12/aldmhacxx/squigho3-pmshade1.jpg

Happy I finally get to use him as something else than a giant :)

Where did this masterpiece come from??? Conversion??? Can you buy it???

Tironum
07-03-2011, 22:36
I am going to use a 40mm x 80mm base with two Giant Cave Squigs with riders on them and a good bit of chain.

Flogger
08-03-2011, 14:03
Where did this masterpiece come from??? Conversion??? Can you buy it???


Forgeworld made it a few years back, you can get it on ebay ;)

Malorian
08-03-2011, 19:49
I'm still not sure what it would end up as but I really like the idea of 1 cave squig pulling a chariot.

I might be able to fit this on a 60mm base, but it would be tight...