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Middenmordheimer
17-02-2011, 09:17
Hey all this thread is pretty straight foward, as i am very bored at work today i was thinking of thread ideas to make the day pass by and then i though hey lets make this one lol. okay now for my questions, answer as many as you would like,

What is the best and worst of warhammer both fluff and game wise in these catagories.

Best/ worst

Edition of warhammer?

Army book?

All round army?

Special Character?

Lord and hero choice?

Core units?

Special units?

Rare units?

Unit of knights? ( both fluff and game wise)

Campaign?

Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda)

OOP model?

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer?

Thanks in advance i cant wait to see what you think as i am yet to play a game of 8th i waana see what you all think?

Lion El Jason
17-02-2011, 14:21
Edition of warhammer?
Best: 7th There was little wrong with this edition, it needed tweaks to magic and a couple of other things. Some of the army books were silly though (Daemons, High elves) and made the edition seem like it had problems but really they were all problems with the books, not the core rules.
Worst: 8th Its not even warhammer anymore.

Army book?
Best: The three previous Chaos ones (Though I understand why they changed it the way the three worked together was cool!)
Worst: Chaos Warriors

All round army?
Best: Empire (Both good against any opponent but also not overpowered)
Worst: Wood Elves

Special Character?
Best: Wychwethyl the Wild (I bet I spelled it wrong)
Worst: Magnus the Pious

Unit of knights? ( both fluff and game wise)
Best: White Wolf. Coolest by far
Worst: Blood Knights.

Campaign?
Anyone remember the old campaign packs?

Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda)
Best: Blood Bowl

OOP model?
Best: The Empire guy on foot. I have one and I think I'll put the hand giving two fingers on something.

BorderKing
17-02-2011, 15:26
Best

Edition of warhammer?

6th edition

Worst

Edition of warhammer?

7th edition

Best
Army book (fluff)?
Dogs of War

Worst
Army book(fluff)?
Ogres

Best
Army book(rules)?
Skaven (New edition)


Worst
Army book(rules)?
Dogs Of War


Best
All round army?
Skaven

Worst
All round army?

Ogres (but that's mainly due to restrictions)

Best
Special Character?
Teclis

Worst
Special Character?
Greasus/kholek


Best
Lord or hero choice?
Slann

Worst
Lord or hero choice?
Vermin Lord


Best unit?
cheap core. slaves/gnoblars

Worst unit?
Expensive Skellies


Best Campaign?
Storm Of Chaos

Worst Campaign?
Storm Of Chaos

Best
Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda)
Talisman

Worst
Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda)
LOTR


Best OOP model?
Maruader Giant

Worst OOP model?
Old marauder, marauders

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer?

Vermin Lord/Yhetti's/Kholek


I only answered some questions, as your list was a bit long

WarmbloodedLizard
17-02-2011, 16:28
Edition of warhammer?
B: 6th ed because of armybooks; 7th ed because of rules
W: some old edition i don't know

Army book
B: almost any 6th ed army book. (Ogres, WE, BM, ...)
W: 7th ed Beastmen/O&G

All round army?
B: LM, HE, WE (very versatile)
W: WoC (boring)
(if you meant strength: Best=Daemons; Worst=TK)


Special Character?
they all suck and I don't wanna play with or against them. I don't like the concept of special characters.

Lord and hero choice?
B: Slann/Vampire
W: Daemon Slayer/Skink Chief

Core units
B: Marauders
W: Skeleton Heavy Horsemen

Special units?
B: White Lions
W: Eternal Guard

Rare units?
B: HPA/Doomwheel
W: Slave Giant

Campaign?
haven't played any

Specialist game?
don't play

OOP model?
giant

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer?
Jungle Swarms

Captainbastard
17-02-2011, 19:10
Edition,

Worst Edition:4th beacause of the Undead and chaos army books.

Best edition:Either 5th or 8th. 8Th had a bit more cool stuff and better minis. 8Th has more rounded rules overall.

Best army book: All round I would say empire, partly because they are a very tactical and balanced army. Maybe the new edtion or maybe the 4th edition for the war wagon and ogres!

Worst army book: The new deamons. I find the army very unfluffy and they lost some of the cool units from storm of chaos. They are a bit cheesey in this edition.

All round army: Empire, but only when used well. Easiest to win with is probably Dark Elves or High Elves or Skaven.

Worst:Tomb kings.

Special character: Really very situational.

Lord and hero choice:

Best: Vampire. Worst:Night goblin warboss (LD 7)

Best core units: Marauders with great weapons and mark of Tzeentch.

Worst core unit:Skeleton horseman

Best special unit:White Lions.

Worst Special Unit:Eternal guard

Best rare unit: Maybe grail knights but I think that is a personal choice.

Worst rare unit:Maybe chaos spawn.

Best unit of knights:Anything from Brettonians in my opinoin because of the special rules. I still like them even in 8th edition. Also if you really want a knight army you ought to to Brets, not chaos, undead or empire.

Worst knight unit: Blood knights. Putting about 1000 points into six knights and a character is silly.

Best specialist game:Epic. Most tactical and realistic game by GW.

Worst specialist game:None of them. Maybe gorkamorka but they scrapped that anyway.

Best OOP model:War wagon/hotpot/old doomwheel/ chaos thugs.

Worst OOP model:old nagash/old greater deamon of nurgle.

Feorag
17-02-2011, 19:12
Best/ worst

Edition of warhammer?
Best - 8th I've had a lot of fun playing this one
Worst - 7th it was ok but it didn't really feel like a new edition just 6.5

Army book?
Best - Hordes of Chaos/Beasts of Chaos (Fluff and fun)
Worst - Beastmen (Fluff) TK (rules)

All round army?
LM they seem to bring the best bits of most things.

Special Character? never used them....

Lord and hero choice?
Best - Doombull/GBS/Chaos Sorcerer Lord
Worst - Slayer Lord/Hero choices

Core units?
Best - Chaos Warriors, Gors, Saurus.
Worst - TK Skellie core choices

Special units?
Best - Bestigor/Temple Guard/Hammerers/Stone throwers
Worst - Cold one cavalry
Rare units?

Unit of knights? ( both fluff and game wise)
Best - Chaos Knights just awesome power houses they are.


Campaign? Dark Shadows albion campaign was rather fun.

Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda) Blood Bowl

OOP model? Beastmen BSB from 125 box

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer?
Cygor/Ghorgon/Jabberslyth

Flamekebab
17-02-2011, 21:24
Worst specialist game:None of them. Maybe gorkamorka but they scrapped that anyway.
Did you ever play it? It's great fun!

The_Bureaucrat
17-02-2011, 21:30
Edition of warhammer?
Best: 6th
Worst: Probably 8th
Army book?
Best: 4th Undead Book (great fluff)
Worst: Beastmen (terrible fluff and monsters are terribly overpriced)

All round army?
Best: Skaven
Worst: WOC (boring)

Special Character?
Best: Skrag (for fun and army composition)
Worst: Greasus

Lord and hero choice?
Best: Warlock Engineer/Vampire Lord
Worst:Hunter/Daemon Prince

Core units?
Best: Marauders
Worst:zombies

Special units?
Best: Gravegaurd
Worst: yehtees

Rare units?
Best: HPA
Worst: Japperslythe

Unit of knights? (game wise)
Best: Knightly Orders
Worst: Goblin wolf riders with spears

Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda)
Gorkamorka!

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer? As percentage of cost Zombies, Greasus as far as total points

rb.uhs
17-02-2011, 23:26
Best Edition of Warhammer: 7th
Worst: 6th

Best Army Book: Currently - Skaven. Of all time - Dogs of War
Worst: Currently - Draw between TK and WE. Of all time - WoC

Best All-Round Army: Empire
Worst: TK (They can't do anything right in 8th)

Best Special Character: Beorg Bearstruck
Worst: Mazdamundi

Best Character Choice: Wood Elf Lord/Hero (So many options)
Worst: Arch Lector (So there's only ever two in the whole Empire and one of them just decided to come along to my raid on a Bretonnian village?)

Best Core Unit: Knights of the Realm
Worst: Lothern Seaguard (Points sink)

Best Special Unit: Pegasus Knights
Worst: Grail Reliquae (Makes no sense)

Best Rare Unit: Blood Knights
Worst: Blood Knights ($$$$$)

Best Unit of Knights: Knights Errant
Worst: Knights Errant (I think you know why)

Best Campaign: Albion
Worst: Storm of Chaos

Best Specialist Game: BB
Worst: None

Best OOP Model: Dark Emissaries (So much character)
Worst: Monkey Skaven

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer: Money? Blood Knights. Points? Anything big. They just get shot to bits now.

silashand
18-02-2011, 02:28
Edition of warhammer?
Best: 6th - I had more fun during this edition than any before or since
Worst: 8th

Army book?
Best: Dwarfs - Of all the books over the years they have remained relatively unchanged which to me indicates they have been where they should be for some time now and don't need lots of changes. Second best would have to be the 6th edition Chaos books. I *so* much preferred that mechanism for linking the three into real chaos armies instead of what we have now.
Worst: 8th Beastmen (terrible fluff and monsters are terribly overpriced)

All round army?
Best: Dark Elves (a little of everything, none of it bad)
Worst: Ogres. They just plain suffer from v1.0 syndrome

Special Character?
Best: Thorek Ironbrow
Worst: Settra ('cuz you could never field him)

Lord and hero choice?
Best: Dwarf Lord / Aspiring Sorcerer
Worst: Daemon Slayer / Dragon Slayer

Core units?
Best: Chaos Warriors
Worst: Glade Guard

Special units?
Best: Dragon Princes
Worst: Orc Chariots

Rare units?
Best: Hydra
Worst: Japperslythe

Unit of knights? (game wise)
Best: Grail Knights
Worst: Silver Helms (they just cannot compete with DPs)

Campaign
Best: Albion (though of all GW's attempts I thought the Armageddon one for 40K was actually the best)
Worst: Storm of Chaos

OOP Model
Best: 6th edition daemonettes by Juan Diaz
Worst: Nagash (an ugly undead clown, really?)

Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda)
Best: Blood Bowl, though I admit I think all but Inquisitor are excellent games in and of themselves
Worst: Inquisitor

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer?
all the beastmen monsters?

Cheers, Gary

MalusCalibur
18-02-2011, 02:55
Edition of Warhammer?
Best: 7th edition, before the army books got out of hand. The core rules were solid, and though they could have used a few tweaks, there was essentially nothing wrong with them.
Worst: 8th edition. Instead of fixing 7th's core rules with a scalpel, they used a sledgehammer, and reduced it to a somewhat silly affair, aimed more at selling models than improving the quality of the rules. Instead of fixing the army books that were broken (by hitting the big reset button on them), they 'fixed' the one part of the game that least needed it.

Army Book?
Best: 6th Ed Hordes of Chaos is a strong contender, just because of the huge variety. Though any 5th edition book would win if it was judged on fluff content.
Worst: So many to choose from. 7th Ed Orcs and Goblins, for being an attempt at rebalance quickly abandoned? 7th Ed High Elves, for starting the power creep spiral that destroyed the edition? 7th Ed Daemons, for being the pinnacle of said power creep? 7th Ed Beastmen, for reducing a characterful army into an underpowered, one trick pony? 7th Ed Skaven, for needing such a gigantic FAQ and starting the 'big monster' trend?
Impossible to choose.

All-Round Army? (I assume this means, which army is best/worst, in my opinion, overall? Thats how I'll answer)
Best: Chaos, while it was treated as one army, the way it should really be. So much variety, such incredibly malicious and (at times) disturbing fluff. And a marvellously 'metal' aesthetic.
Worst: If I had to choose, probably Lizardmen, simply because I have an issue with the greatest wizards in the world being giant fat toads.

Special Character?
Best: The Changeling is hilarious.
Worst: Any of the stupidly overpowered ones - which is a lot of them.

Unit of Knights?
Best: I'm a fan of Dragon Princes, and Bloodcrushers (if those count).
Worst: Blood Knights, simply because they still feel a bit 'tacked on'. That, and the price of the models.

Campaign?
Best: Any player-created campaign. Albion was ok too.
Worst: Storm of Chaos. Absolute travesty of writing.

Specialist Game?
Best: Blood Bowl (basing that on the PC game, though) or BFG. I always wanted to play Mordheim, too.
Worst: Epic. Sorry, I just don't see the appeal of the models at all.

OOP Model?
Best: A lot to choose from here, as well. 6th Ed Metal Daemonettes/Horrors, 6th Ed Dragon Princes and Phoenix Guard, the old Sniktch...all superior to current models. The Marauder Giant is a hard one to ignore, as well. I think the Daemonettes get my pick though, as the biggest model update travesty of my years.
Worst: The old metal generic Daemon Prince. Yeuch. Nothing about that model looked good - even the current plastic one is better.

Psygon
18-02-2011, 03:04
Edition of warhammer?
B: Depends if you like casual games with friends for the hell of it or more "tacticz" or whatever people liked seventh for more.
W: Depends if you like casual games with friends for the hell of it or more "tacticz" or whatever people like seventh for more.

Army book?
B: Skaven (strength), Tomb Kings (great fluff)
W: TK-WE tie (strength), Beastmen (Im not big on fluff, but it was pretty bad)

All round army?
B: Empire or dwarovs for internal balance
W: Tombkings, age has thrown internal and external balance to hell

Special Character?
B: Teclis (strength), The witch hunters from Regiments of reknown (fluff)
W: any 6th edition AB ones or Lizardmen ones (strength)

Lord and hero choice?
B: Slaan / Daemon herald
W: Vermin Lord / skink chief

Core units?
B: Marauders with great weapons and Mark of khorne
W: TK skeletons or TK heavy cav

Special units?
B: Treemen
W: Forsaken

Rare units?
B: HPA
W: Jabberslythe

Unit of knights? ( both fluff and game wise)
B: KotR
W: TK heavy cav

Campaign?
I never really played any, but the siege campaign looks cool (*I dont know if thats what you meant)

Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda)
Mordheim looks pretty cool

OOP model
I'm not old enough to know any :D

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer?
Beastmen rare choices, or a Lizardmen special character

silashand
18-02-2011, 03:08
the old Sniktch...all superior to current models.

I just had to comment here. I think the new Sniktch is amazing and one of the best Skaven models they've ever done (up there with the new Queek). JMO though.

Cheers, Gary

asphodel
18-02-2011, 03:52
What is the best and worst of warhammer both fluff and game wise in these catagories.

Edition of warhammer?
Best: 8th - Seems to embody what WFB should be, although the expense is a problem.
Worst: 5th - Never, ever had fun playing this version. It seemed to bring out the worst in people.

Army book?
Without having read them all...
Best: 5th editions had the best fluff by far, all of them. Although I liked the 6th ed. Empire that introduced the detachment system.
Worst: 6th/7th O&G

All round army?
Best: Dark Elves (biased...)
Worst: Tomb Kings (just my opinion based mostly on fluff)

Special Character?
N/A

Lord and hero choice?
Tough one...I'm going to answer these questions on my opinion of their general fluff, since I'm more familiar with that than their gameplay effectiveness:
Best: Daemon Prince, Necromancers, Dreadlords
Worst: Tomb Kings

Core units?
Best: Corsairs! (and assassins...)
Worst: Bat swarms

Special units?
Best: Questing Knights
Worst: Ushabti (only because they look like they were designed by the people who brought us "The Scorpion King" films)

Rare units?
Best: Giant
Worst: Gyrocopter

Unit of knights? ( both fluff and game wise)
Best: Cold One Knights
Worst: White Wolf Knights (you try swinging a two-handed weapon from a saddle)

Campaign?
Only ever played Grudge of Drong.

Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda)
Best: Mordheim by far, with BFG a distant second.
Worst: Blood Bowl and Space Hulk.

OOP model?
Best: The old WHQ Witch Hunter
Worst: Most of the other stuff from 5th ed. and previous editions.

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer?
Points-wise: Not sure.
Money-wise: Dark Riders - At $18 a pop, I might as well get a battalion instead of a unit of 5 of these rip-offs. Harpies are a close second.

Gork or Possibly Mork
18-02-2011, 03:53
Best/ worst

Edition of warhammer?
7th as far as the rule set goes although i like 8th too. On an armybook level 7th was the worst and 6th was the best imo.

Army book?
B: Probably Skaven
W: Probably TK

All round army?
B: Skaven, Empire, DE.
W: Ogres maybe :cries:

Special Character?
B: Teclis probably.
W: Greasus probably

Lord and hero choice?
B: Slann, Gobbo big bosses
W: TK characters probably

Core units?
B: Marauders or Skaven Slaves
W: TK Skeleton Heavy Horsemen

Special units?
B: Empire artillery
W: Yhetees for sure

Rare units?
B: HPA
W: Beastmen rares

Unit of knights? ( both fluff and game wise)
B: Brets
W: TK Heavy Horsemen

Campaign?
B: Albion or Lustria
W: SOC

Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda)
I haven't played enough of them to really comment.

OOP model?
B: Nothing springs to mind. lol
W: Maybe Nagash though Harry's Rikard resculpt came out awesome.

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer? Yhetees

Algovil
18-02-2011, 04:15
Going mostly for fluff, rules and looks, in contrast for how good they perform.

Army book? - Dwarfs, High Elves, Warriors and Skaven are probably those which involves me the most and gives the right feel for the armies in question / do not like the Ogre Kingdom or Beastmen very much.

All round army? - Internal Balance: Empire. / Vampire has bad internal balance, but much potential, would like to use all models. Can not tell about Beastmen but everyone says the are bad, TK is going to get updated.

Special Character? - Gorbad, Archaon, Wulfrik, Vlad von Carstein!!!

Lord and hero choice? - That is a lot! Vampire Lord is great fun, I like the Slann, the Empire Engineers, Captains, warrior prieast are all very good! Empire battle mages are also great. Chaos Lords, the Wight King as well. Wood and High elven lords and heroes looks great! Love the models and look of the Tomb King lords and Heroes! The casket is Ace as well. Bell/Furnace is amazing!!! / Do not care for Beastmen Lords/Heroes very much, though some of them are really good sculpts! The lizardmen heroes are boring IMO. Some of the older metal sculpts looks strange =) I must say I like most models.

Core units? - Lothern seaguard, if I ever start High elves it is because of these guys, really like the models and the rules. Chaos Warriors are great, but maybe boring to play with. Night goblins are good models IMO, specially fanatics, funny sneaky gobs.. Like the Men at Arms and Skeletons as well. Ranked up Statetroopers is nice to look at. Glade Guards are great. Long list. / What is worse are: Maruaders primarily.

Special units? - Grave Guards, Great Swords, Iron Breakers, Pistoliers, nice models! / Shaggots, Chaos Ogres, Screamers are not my taste. Razorgor, is horrible.

Rare units? - Really like: Helblaster, RBT, Giant, Doom Diver, Cairn Wraiths, Varghulf. / Fiends of Slaanesh, Spawn, are bad.

Unit of knights? ( both fluff and game wise) - Brettonian Knights looks great and have good rules, grail knights probably the best. Blood Knights have great models, Powerful. / Cold one maybe, the lizardmen type.

Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda) - Have not played any fantasy ones. Must say Space Hulk :P

Here are my favorite single models sculpts, quite a few links:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440060a&prodId=prod900129a
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440060a&prodId=prod790850
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440060a&prodId=prod790851
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440090a&prodId=prod2020010
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440090a&prodId=prod2020012
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440090a&prodId=prod20031
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440090a&prodId=prod20035
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440096a&prodId=prod1020005
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440096a&prodId=prod1020003
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440102a&prodId=prod1050089
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440108a&prodId=prod830844
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440108a&prodId=prod1050028
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440108a&prodId=prod1550010
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440114a&prodId=prod800855

Lord of Divine Slaughter
18-02-2011, 06:26
Best: The Fun of it

Worst: The players

shelfunit.
18-02-2011, 08:24
Edition of warhammer?
Best: 3rd Edition
Worst: 7th Edition

Army book?
Best: Warhammer: Armies (3rd Ed)
Worst: Dark Elves/Skaven (8th Ed)

All round army?
Best: Dark Elves
Worst: Wood Elves

Special Character?
Best/Worst: All of them

Lord and hero choice?
Best: Dwarf Lord
Worst: Daemon Prince

Core units?
Best: Dark Elf Warriors
Worst: Tomb King Spearmen

Special units?
Best: Black Guard
Worst: Ushabti

Rare units?
Best: Hydra
Worst: Dwarf Flame cannon

Unit of knights? ( both fluff and game wise)
Best: Reiksgard Knights
Worst: Anything on a Coldone.

Campaign?
Best: Dark Shadows
Worst: Lustria

Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda)
Best: Epic Spacemarine (2nd ed)
Worst: Epic 3rd ed and above

OOP model?
Best: Due to there being so many - these will do as an example...
http://www.solegends.com/citcat89winter/cat89wint017x-03.htm
Worst: These lumpish freaks...http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/5/13/32687_sm-How%2520To%2520Paint%2520a%2520Savage%2520Orc%2520 Part%252017.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/240003.page&usg=__t9Ma3lRfJhmmwaPje_VkbEEIoFM=&h=450&w=600&sz=39&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=PUMQtG128aawJM:&tbnh=154&tbnw=188&ei=OSxeTa-zMJSC4Qb866XpCQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsavage%2Borcs%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa %3DX%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D616%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=342&vpy=87&dur=6193&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=78&ty=103&oei=OSxeTa-zMJSC4Qb866XpCQ&page=1&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer?

Dwarf Flame cannon. No other option.

Morkash
18-02-2011, 08:58
Oi, that looks like fun!

Edition of warhammer?
Best: Both 7th and 8th are fine.
Worst: People complain about the imbalanced 5th...but that makes it so interesting!

Army book?
Best: Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned
Worst: Gamewise? The Dark Elves book, no matter how and what you play, the others
view you as WAAC bastard.
Fluffwise? Beastmen. Quite dungy.

All round army?
Best: Dogs of War
Worst: Ogre Kingdoms

Special Character?
Best: Skarbrand, Morglum Necksnapper
Worst: Balthasar Gelt

Lord and hero choice?
Best: Night Goblin Big Boss. Drown them in inability!
Worst: Ogre Hunter, Daemon Prince

Core units?
Best: Big'unz, Dark Riders, Marauders
Worst: Current Snots. Stubborn on 4.

Special units?
Best: Rock Lobba, Long Drongs Slayer pirates
Worst: Boar Boyz, Forsaken

Rare units?
Best: Arachnarok, Hydra
Worst: Beastmen rares, both Repeater Bolt Throwers

Unit of knights? ( both fluff and game wise)
Best: Rhinox Cavalry
Worst: Silver Helms. Just so...secondary.

Campaign?
Best: Albion
Worst: Nemesis Crown

Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda)
Best: Mordheim
Worst: None. They all had flavour and mystery around them!

OOP model?
Best: Marauder Giant
Worst: Most models have some kind of charm...

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer?
Eh...the Beastmen Rares?

Blizzinam
18-02-2011, 09:54
Edition of warhammer?
I started playing in 7th so giving any comment on this is hard for me.

Army book?
One of my personal favorites among army books is the Skaven book, it has a lot of fluffy fun and nice rules with a lot of fun thrown in.
And i absolutely despise the Ogre Kingdoms book, its so restricted in what you can do with it and has way too many options that just make you go :wtf: .

All round army?
Empire is probably the best All round army, it has decent CC, great shooting and magic. Worst i can think of is once again, Ogre Kingdoms. With very "Meh" smashing, halfarsed shooting and below average magic with basically everything being overcosted.

Special Character?
My favorite special character is Archon the Everchosen, pretty much solely due to the high quality of his background equals rules. Worst special
character for me would be Teclis, he just breaks the game in so many ways.

Lord and hero choice?
The best Lord choice i figure is probably the Chaos Sorcerer. It has awesome magic, some great items to choose from and can pound in the face of pretty much any other mage in the game. The best Hero choice according to me is probably the lvl 0 Warlock Engineer, hardly anything can beat a 15 point redirect in terms of efficiency. Worst lord choice... The Demons of Chaos Daemon Prince, it just cant compare to the rest. Runner-up is the Savage Orc Shaman. Worst hero choice.. Tomb King Icon Bearer.

Core units?
The best core unit is the Skaven Slaves, Leadership 10 with a reroll meat walls for 2 points each? Why yes, thank you. Worst core is the Tomb Kings skeletons, they cost way too much and do way too little.

Special units?
Chaos Knights, they really do wonders for their cost. Worst is the Chaos Forsaken.

Rare units?
The A-bomb, the rampaging rat, the one and only (but sometimes two ;)) Hellpit Abomination. I cant decide on the worst.

Unit of knights? ( both fluff and game wise)
Blood Knights, they kill **** and doesnt afraid of anything. But more seriously, they have cool fluff and cool rules. Unfortunately they have one hell of a pricetag, both in points and cash. The worst is the Bretonnian grail knights, i dont like the fluff nor the rules.

Campaign?
No comment.
Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda)
No comment.
OOP model? No comment.

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer?

Either the Lizardmen Special Characters or the bloody Yhetees.

venomx51
18-02-2011, 15:27
Army book?
Best: Skaven
Worst: Wood Elves (tho it is quite old, bless)

All round army?
Proabably Lizards

Special Character?
Best: Grimgor (Still on the fun side of powerful (just) imo)
Worst: Kroak, Maz, Kroq'Gar, etc etc - The Lizard named characters are way too expensive for what they do, and tend to do it worse than one you can make yourself.

Lord and hero choice?
Best: Slann. Protected, 5 wounds, 4+ ward, BSB, makes unit stubborn, can be ethereal. It's a tough general to get to and to kill.
Worst: Wood Elf Lord. Squishy and expensive.

Core units?
Best: Marauders, GW + Khorne
Worst: Eternal Guard

Special units?
Best: If they weren't flamable, I'd vote for Treekin hands down. But they are, so I'll have to go with a bunch of Spear Chukkas
Worst: Forsaken

Rare units?
Best: Salamander Hunting Pack
Worst: Razordon Hunting Pack. There's never a reason to take one of these over some Skink-age imo.

Unit of knights? ( both fluff and game wise)
Best: Chaos Knights of Tzeentch with Blasted Standard (2+/6+ save with a 4+ ward against shooting). Nails.

Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda)
Epic 40k

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer?
Gorthor. Unless I'm mistaken he has no armour or ward save other than the 6+ granted for being mounted on his chariot. And he can't get a Look out Sir roll. Sounds like you might as well give the opponent 350 points before the game starts to me.

T10
18-02-2011, 16:02
what you all think?
I don't see what I get out of this, so I'm going to answer "Gnoblars!"

-T10

Dark Aly
18-02-2011, 16:48
Edition of warhammer?
Best: 8th possably, but my rose tinted glasses look at 4th with affection; and did have some great games in 6th too
Worst: 7th the army book in particular killed it for me

Army book?
Best: The forthcoming O&G one sounds ace and the hordes/beasts of chaos one was great fun though the 4th ed were probably the best to read.
Worst: WoC is dull and uninspiring and deamons removed the last vestiges of character that the chaos armies had.

All round army?
Best: Dark elves can do a bit of everything except hordes, so I think either empire or O&G's
Worst:Possably vampires as they have no shooting at all and very expensive troops (or ogres for the same)

Special Character?
Best: Grom and Grom, oh did I mention Grom :)
Worst: Kairos- interesting background but aweful execution of rules

Lord and hero choice?
Best: Vampire Lord, warrior priest. or maybe Grom
Worst: Deamon Slayer

Core units?
Best: Halberdiers or night goblins
Worst: Zombies :(

Special units?
Best: Squig herds, because they're squigs
Worst: maybe snotlings in the forthcoming O&Gs book :(

Rare units?
Best: Giant, nice rules and so much fun
Worst: Giant, the big target that all giants wear on their chests

Unit of knights? ( both fluff and game wise)
Best (Fluff): black knights or questing knights
worst (Fluff): DE cold one knights (Lizards that far north?)
Best (game): Chaos knights or White wolves
Worst (game): Boar Boys (though that may change with the rumoured price drop)

Campaign?
Best: After the gathering of might battle report there was a series of battles of O&Gs vs empire.
Worst: Storm of Chaos

Specialist game? (eg mordheim, blood bowl, necromunda)
Best: Does anybody remember the chaos warband one before mordhiem. Bloodbowl, necromunda and gorkamorka are the only ones I've played and I love them all (except for.....).
Worst: Warhammer quest, heroquest was much better

OOP model?
Best: Pump wagon or Giant (either the last metal one or the marauder one prior to that)
Worst: Anybody remember the Chaos 40k possessed?

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer?
's: either Azhag or Blood knights
Points: Steam tank

Captainbastard
18-02-2011, 20:32
I forgot to mention the most overpriced and pointless unit - skaven nightrunners (I bet everyone forgot about them).

Dark Aly , you really think Grom is da best? The thing is once he dies, your whole army will lose the general and BSB, and go straight down to LD5 or LD7 an have to take a panic test.

Also that chaos warband game you were talking about was not a specialist game as such, it was just something in WD. It wasn't even before mordheim I think.

MalusCalibur
18-02-2011, 20:45
Does anybody remember the chaos warband one before mordhiem.

That'd be Path to Glory. And it was sweet.

Stronginthearm
18-02-2011, 22:41
Edition of warhammer?
Don't feel qualified to judge here

Army Book?
B: I really liked the previous vamp book for incredible fluff
W: Eh I don't really hate any of them, though I might make an exception for the new OnG don't know yet as I haven't seen it

All Round Army?
B: Dwarves just because they're just that awesome
W: Lizards, sorry guys you just don't feel like a fantasy army as much as a jurassic park cameo

Special Character:
B: Bugman "I have magic beer that can raise the dead(or get a college kid to class)"
W: Teclis, everything I hate about Elves exemplified

Lord/Hero Choice
B: Vamp Lord
W: Gobbo boss, because my vamp lords can drop kick these guys

Core:
B: Corpse Cart, Because where else can you find a magical monster as a core choice?
W: Gnoblars, they feel like a walking lardor for the ogres

Special:
B: Hammerers, because I like them ok?
W: yhetees, they feel so tacked on that... I'm looking for a metaphor and can't find one

Rare:
B: Blood Knights, I love the fluff, the models and the stats( the cost however, mein gott)
W: Slave Giant

Campaign?
B: Umm I don't know
W: Storm of Chaos, because I like shouting at somebody already shouted at

OOP?
I don't even know what that means

tr1pod
19-02-2011, 01:12
Edition of warhammer?
I've only been playing since 8th so it's difficult for me to say. In fact it's impossible for me to say.

So the following answers will all be based on 8th edition rules and games I have experienced thus far...

Army Book?

B: I really like the WoC book, even though I find the army to be incredibly dull. I like the layout and there are so many options available to mess about with when building an army. Items... dear god there are so many! So quite how they are so incredibly boring is beyond me. Oh yes, no shooting. Zzzz.

W: It has to be Ogres. Their book is rubbish and the army isn't much better.

All Round Army?

B: For me, it's Dark Elves. Really great fun to play.

W: Ogres or WoC. Ogres just seem to be rubbish and WoC are just so unbelievably dull. You spend 2 turns doing nothing other than marching forward.

Special Character:

B: Has to be Teclis. The guy is nothing short of amazing for the magic phase. Underpriced. He needs to be over 500 so you can't use him in a 2k game. Just my opinion.

W: Teclis. Flip side to above. Yes he's awesome but he can kind of break the game in my experience.

Lord/Hero Choice

B: Sorceror Lord for WoC - You can build an amazing Sorceror. 3+ Ward Save? Yes please.

W: Wood Elf Lord. Flimsy!

Core:

B: Chaos Warriors - How can they not be? They are amazing core choices especially with Mark of Khorne. Core choice with 4 attacks? What?

W: Gnoblars.

Special:
B: Black Guard or Swordmasters

W: Most of the Wood Elf ones

Rare:

B: Hydra - Except building it is the equivalent is stapling your testicles to your forehead in terms of pleasure. Treeman is also excellent.

W: Haven't come across any bad rare yet to be honest.

Dark Aly
19-02-2011, 03:19
I forgot to mention the most overpriced and pointless unit - skaven nightrunners (I bet everyone forgot about them).

Dark Aly , you really think Grom is da best? The thing is once he dies, your whole army will lose the general and BSB, and go straight down to LD5 or LD7 an have to take a panic test.

Also that chaos warband game you were talking about was not a specialist game as such, it was just something in WD. It wasn't even before mordheim I think.

Grom the paunch is the best character in the true sense of the word 'character'. he eats troll flesh, battered the dwarfs and the empire and then launched the most successful invasion of the pointy eared gits land :) even better than their nancy dark robed cousins could do.

PS- I really don't like elves much.

Rules wise the best is either Kairos or teclis but they both suck because they are the best. there are different ways to judge 'the best' and rules is not one I care much for, If the model's cool and the fluff is interesting then it WILL be in my army and therefore in my view 'the best'.

EDIT- yes 'path to glory' wasn't a specialist game as such but it was a game and it was superb- I thought I remembered mordhiem afterwards but I could be wrong.

ftayl5
19-02-2011, 05:32
Are we talking best in game or best fluff or just the coolest in our opinions or what? Anywho...
Edition of warhammer?
Best: 8th
Worst: 7th (though I've only played in those)

Army book?
Best: HoC/BoC
Worst: WoC (IMO boring, will never ever live up to its predecessor)

All round army?
Best: Empire (they pretty much define all round able to go magic heavy, shooting heavy, combat heavy, cavalry heavy, really horde or more elite - or a mixture of all of those)
Worst: Not sure.

Special Character?
Best: Mannfred, because his name is similar to mine and his fluff is awesome. Actually Grom - definitely grom.
Worst: Anything with elf in its name.

Lord and hero choice?
Best Lord: Slann. Adds more to his army than any other character that comes to mind.
Worst Lord: Daemon Prince :(
Best Hero: Any of the O&G ones, so cheap for what they do. Or a Warrior Priest - for the prayers and hatred.
Worst Hero: Icon Bearer

Core units?
Best: Tuskgor Chariot. Core + Chariot = Awesome.
Worst: Zombies

Special units?
Best: Bestigors would be up there for primal fury and Strength 6.
Worst: Yhettes - love these guys, but whole unit goes down in one turn of archer fire.

Rare units?
Best: Hellpit Abomination or Hydra
Worst: Jabberslythe come to mind.

Unit of knights? ( both fluff and game wise)
Best Fluff: Grail Knights
Worst Fluff: Cold One Knights
Best in game: Chaos Knights
Worst in game: Skeleton Heavy Horsemen (even if they aren't knights)

And last, what is the single most useless over priced unit in the game of warhammer?
Tomb Kings Skeleton Warriors.

Timofeo
20-02-2011, 02:40
Best Edition 8th (Only weakness is the Certain Spells that are to strong, Dwellers below)
Worst Edition 7th (Home of the DeathStar)

Best Army Book
Lizardmen Mostly Everything is Useful
Worst
Tomb Kings, but just since its behind in the times, very hard to use in 8th Edition

Best All around Army
High Elves, Empire, Skaven I feel a little bit of everything CC, Shooting and Mobile
Worst
Dwarfs No Mobility, No Magic so its missing 2 big parts of being all around, but its still a Very good army

Best Special Character
Teclis

Worst
Louen Leonceor

Best Lord and Hero Choices
Slann Mage and Goblin Shaman

Worst
Vermin Lord and Empire Engineer

Best Core
Marauders

Worst
Tomb King Skeleton horsemen

Best Special units
White Lions, Phoenix Guard

Worst
Chaos Spawns if their Special, or if their Rare for the Rare Worst

Best Rare Unit
Trebuchet, for the army its in the cost, and the Strength

Worst
Spawn

Best Knights
Grail Knights of Course Huzzah

Worst
Tomb King Heavy Horsemen

Campaign N/A

Best Specialist game
Blood Bowl

Worst
Warmaster

Best
The Old Giants

Worst
Nagash

Blood Knights are the most Over Priced